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4 hours ago, PolishRifle said:

Yeah, but they also lost a good RT and the best WR on their roster. The defense, that was already top 10, is getting upgraded and an offense that struggled for much of the season is getting weaker.

We probably win the Raiders, Jets and Pitt game if we have another competent outside CB.  Hell probably also win Giants if Jimmy doesn't get hurt that game.  One cb shouldn't affect a record the much, but for our defense it did.  The top 10 number was deceiving by seasons end.  It was credit built up from earlier because everything fell apart the last 4-6 games.

14 hours ago, redrum52 said:

Really wanted Williams, but I actually think Perelman takes off this season... if he can make it last TC healthy.  Huge concerns about the OL.  Would've loved Howard, but like you said, I think Marlin was the right choice.

Auto correct butchered me.

9 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

Unless flacco does a complete 180 it won't be..we lost our best wr and our starting rt and center.

Our best running back is suspended four games. Our only fullback who was actually very effective in the short passing game our co ordinator loves is gone.

If our offense is good flacco surely has to be in contention for mvp. There's no other way round it.

It will also take perriman becoming aj green

I think Flacco will be fine.  There was a noticeable difference in his game as the season progressed.  The center move isn't a big deal to me, but Wagner will be missed in pass pro.  I really, really think that Perriman takes a huge step this year.  He's shown he has the tools and I think the FO believes he'll elevate his game with a full off season.  Also, a healthy Camp is pretty damn good in the slot, but as we all know...

10 hours ago, Tru11 said:

mood right now : 

If this defense isn't top 3 I'll be sick.  Finally a pure pass rusher and another CB for WHEN Jimmy goes down.  Will still be able to keep Young in the slot too with the addition of Carr.  Even if we didn't pick up a DE that was the position I was least worried about.  We have a great young core on defense now and like the old teams, we now have leaders at each level from DL to S.

9 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

And your offense mood just for giggles 

Our approach to the offense seems to be just don't mess up.

9 hours ago, Tru11 said:

tbh im really not worrying that much.

flacco seems to play much better when he has veteran players around him with just a few inexperienced players.

there will still be cuts so we might find some guys who will fit in.

heck barnidge just got cut who would be an upgrade over what we have at TE for instance.

 

 

The OL needs milk.

9 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

I'd sign barnidge as well. I'd also float correa and all our tight ends except pitta to see what oline or wide receivers we could get

I don't want another TE.  We have these young guys so let em battle it out.  Don't know if you've seen the presser, but they said something along the lines of "what we like to do with first time OC's is draft defense."

And to answer the question I'll say the defense can be 2011 good.  Next year I'd fully expect them to compete with maybe an 08 defense.  06 will be hard to match.  OT it's like the Steelers saw what we were doing and figured they'd counter with more weapons.

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

As a 3rd round pick, I'll never care if Williams doesn't become a true 3 down LBer. Just him do what he does best. 

The truth is even if we took someone in the 2nd who could only pass rush I'd still take em.  Pass rush has been pathetic since 14.  We need guys who will apply that pressure especially with the type of dba we've been adding.  I expect a huge spike in sack numbers.

2 Alabama defenders in 1 draft is Ozzies wet dream come to life...

28 minutes ago, flynismo said:

I have mixed feelings at the moment. Really had my heart set on one of the three WR yesterday. Humphrey, I feel the same as I did about Mosely when we took him...great talent but not a glaring need. But considering what was left on the board, 100% he was the right pick. Actually liked all of our picks aside from Bowers, but that's probably because I know little about him. 

Our offense is screwed. Even if we get Mangold and Boldin, unless Perriman steps up and we find a 3rd day gem at OG or RT, we're in for a long year on offense.

Really wanted Williams, but I actually think Perelman takes off this season... if he can make it last TC healthy.  Huge concerns about the OL.  Would've loved Howard, but like you said, I think Marlin was the right choice.

1 hour ago, Adreme said:

Are you really being critical of the offense for putting 34 points against a team that was being called one of the best defenses of the past decade? People would have been stunned if they hit 20 points but they put up 34.

They scored 27 and I'm saying you're mad about them giving up a lead when the offense was ineffective as well the 2nd half.  Neither side did well after the blackout.

On topic, I'm loving this draft so far.  Would like some lineman but have mo idea who's left.  Same at wr and rb.  What impact guys are left?

1 hour ago, flynismo said:

been trying to figure out what the heck that dude said. I'm still lost

Been insanely busy the last few months, then when I finally have time to come back on the boards...well, you know...

Whatchu thinking of the draft so far??

Loving it so far.  Hoping we make some moves for OL, but if this defense healthy can't close out games it will be a damn shame.  Offense will go as the line does.  What you think?

16 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

We won a SB with Reed & Lewis on there to coach up the others. And even then they nearly lost that SB giving up a 28-3 lead.Since, the defense has done nothing and everyone makes excuses for him.

Oh we tried one draft so go us lol How many have we devoted to defense in Pees' time here and STILL the defense is not reliable?

That clutch offense scored all of 6 points the 2nd half while turning the ball over.  Before this draft it was 2 firsts on offense and 2 on defense.  Now 3 on def.  That's insanse!  Which side of the ball lost more at that time?  Also, what positions were needed and what were the strong points of that draft?  No problem with you, but I will not miss these discussions.  You are just as strong willed(stubborn) as I am.

6 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

That's because your defense shouldn't completely disappear because of ONE GUY> That is just an excuse for Pees. If Suggs goes down, oh it's not Pees' fault the defense is garbage. If Jimmy goes down, oh that isn't Pees' fault they give up 4th quarter leads routinely.

Except that it is a trend since Pees came here. And no one wants to admit it.

Offensively it is because we lack any playmakers at all because we never seem to draft any in the last 5 or 6 years.

 

Top 10 pick spent on OL and last 1st was on a wr.  You can't say they don't try.  As far as Pees, we won a SB his first year at DC.  When his guys are there they are productive, regardless of how you feel about him.

Just now, Adreme said:

Every once and awhile you see this team that is complete and could be a powerhouse in the NFL but they have no QB.  Houston is that team right now, it was SF for a few years and it was the Chiefs before that and around a decade ago I remember it being the Browns.  All those teams they had the same problems.  Garbage QB means you top out at around 9 wins.

Don't assume Kizer is their future.  They still have two firsts next year and plenty of time to tank if they like someone.

1 minute ago, Adreme said:

When you play the value game with a QB, you end up getting a QB who is not good enough.

Unlike other teams they are actually providing him with help.  The Browns will be a good team in 3-4 years.

Just now, reed20 said:

The same people neg repping me are the same people that will be crying when our offense cant score past the first quarter. 🤣

 

But but we have Michael Campanaro and Perriman 🤣

 

Might as well keep on trying to build the 2000 Ravens defense the rest of the draft because our offense is due for another pathetic year.

And the same ones screaming draft offense are crying when Jimmy goes down and the defense gets no pressure while guys run wide open down field.

16 hours ago, flynismo said:

what?

Where you been?

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

i remember when people in this forum were legit saying

 

Huff and Elam > Pollard and Old Reed.

For reals?

2 minutes ago, January J said:

What do you mean YET AGAIN ? didn't we specifically draft a franchise left tackle last year at #6 overall? Didn't we address wide receiver with our first the year before that? Ozzie literally can't win. Damned if he does and damned if he don't. If we would've taken somebody else and jimmy went down in the thick of the playoff hunt again or Carr didn't pan out everybody would've been calling him a fool for passing on Humphrey too. As I said- ravens fans are NEVER satisfied.

TRUU

Just now, Sami84 said:

Remember when ozzie signed michael huff and drafted matt elam.

 

i do

Remember when we had 2 14 points leads and still lost cause we were holding open tryouts for cb at flag football games?  

I do

Just now, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

As bad as the secondary was towards the end. The pass rush did just as much damage. We were blitzing against pittsburgh on the final drive and we couldn't get stuff done. We need an edge rusher more than anything on defense right now, and olinemen to fill the two holes on the interior. 

One hole.  Zuttah doesn't count...  Better coverage means holding the ball longer.  Also, Jimmy didn't play that game.

1 minute ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Dude some people here are going to say anybody ravens picked was the BPA and attempt to justify it. Every player we pick was the best possible pick ravens could make. It's actually funny

I think a lot people will say that he's not necessarily the BPA, but he's a necessity and he's a good player.

3 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Coincidence? I think not lol. Like I said though, I like Humphrey. He's probably going to be a good player. 

That said, I honestly would have rather gotten Warford at this point and kicked Lewis out to tackle. My big fear is that our plan is to neglect the oline entirely and pick up Mangold and Vollmer. I don't like the in house replacements, and I am not too confident in our weapons. 

Howard is gonna be a special player though. I hope we can take my boys(Cooper Kupp and Jake Butt) but we need to fix that line first. I hope Lamp or Robinson fall(and Robinson is not a bad pick in the second). 

I think he's going to be good and trust me, I said to my boy I think we're going Howard.  I would've been fine with Howard or Foster, but what do you think has honestly cost us the most games late in the season?  As bad as our OL was, they showed up late last year.

2 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

I said at the end of the season that this FO will show if its evolved by letting B.Will walk and resign wagner. We could have signed wagner and got Pryor for the amount of dosh we spent on the vastly overrated williams.

 

our FO is declining big time.

I said they should've let both of them walk.  With the change in rules, we need power on the OL and that's not Wagner's game.  Would've loved to scoop Pryor, though for the cash we used on Williams.  I won't say he's overrated.

1 minute ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Yes because Ozzie drafted him. Not everybody has the biasedness for Bama. Most teams after us probably liked different cornerbacks. If we didn't draft him can't say he would of been next cornerback drafted. I have read posts here calling about 5 different cornerbacks the best in the draft. Humphrey isn't one of those cornerbacks. 

Anybody saying he was BPA or best cornerback show some proof everybody you have Humphrey so high on your board. After ravens draft him everybody goes on an Easter egg hunt looking for somebody calling Humphrey a top10 pick. Show us anybody posting about that before last night

Wasn't Allen regarded as a top 3 pick before the draft?  We were also praised I think for the Elam pick when it was made.  None of this stuff matters until they're on the field.  I like him cause he's physical, fast and has size.  Great on short passes and screen as well.  You know who loves to run screens?  Pats and Steelers.  Short routes?  Pats.  I think they knew what they had in mind when making the decision.  Marlon, Tavon and Tony should give us a nice young core in secondary.

6 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

OJ Howard and Jonathan Allen were there. And Ozzie continues to neglect the offensive side of the ball...Again...

 

I like Humphrey but would have rather done something along the lines of the above. 

I wanted Howard, but realistically, adding another TE wasn't necessary.  All the WR were gone and it was too early to OL.  CB was more important than DL and he's only 20. 

I also didn't want Allen.  Yea.  I said it.

He hasn't really neglected the offense either.  It may seem like it this off season, but was Wagner worth that money?  No way Juice was staying.  Still plenty of draft left and I highly doubt we don't scoop up any linemen.  I don't think anyone saw the Wrs all going in the top 10 either.  Also, everytime our first pick is a Alabama defender we make a deep playoff run.  So there goes that.

3 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

btw Humphrey was a lot more hyped the previous year. this year QBS targeted him and showed him up. 

Who did you want at that spot?

I just wanna ask why people say a physical CB isn't a "sexy" pick?  

Raiders got so damn lucky.

10 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

I actually believe that even if Ozzie picked "The Guy"...  we'd still see some folks moaning that we didn't go defensive back...  Last night was a very "different" round 1 in this draft.  People who went that weren't expected were all over the place.  Folks need to chill

People were going to find a way to complain regardless.  I personally did not want any parts of Allen.  This was weird because we had so many directions to go and honestly, none of them really would've been wrong.  I'm happy we went corner and have no problem with Marlon.