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    On 12/19/2016 at 4:14 PM, FloridalovesRavens said:

    Typical comment from a Flacco hater. Let's face it shall we. You will never appreciate any thing he does and will nit pick him to the end of time. Save it.

    I don't "hate" Flacco. Come up with a better word for it. I'm a realist. I don't have a #5 jersey and Flacco pajamas like you do, buddy. He's not great, and he's not the worst. I call it like I see it, that's all. You and a few others on here always "boohooing" every time someone says something negative about your buddy, Joe Flacco.

    How about you face the fact that he's just mediocre. Sometimes he does great things, sometimes he does incredibly stupid things. You can reference 2012 all you want, but I'll reference a 9 year career...the big picture. So quit crying as if someone is attacking you personally.

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    On 12/19/2016 at 2:47 PM, callahan09 said:

    Is that a fact?  His interception yesterday WAS a bad play by Flacco.  But I don't believe it's at all typical of the kind of interceptions he throws.  It's not a typical play from him at all.  If you think it is, then go pull up the tape and explain it with the evidence.

    Flacco's interception vs New England: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2016121200/2016/REG14/ravens@patriots/watch#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000756140&tab=videos

    Observe at 25 seconds, the ball goes right threw Wallace's arms, he definitely should have caught this ball and it should not have been an interception.  This was an interception because the receiver misplayed the ball.

    vs Miami: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2016120401/2016/REG13/dolphins@ravens#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000750510&tab=videos

    Wallace doesn't come back for the ball, doesn't even attempt to make a play at the ball.  He misplays it and just stands there and watches it sail past his head on the way to an INT.  This is also intercepted only because the receiver misplayed it.  (That's two INTs in a row that were the fault of Wallace misplaying the ball).

     

    vs Cincy: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2016112701/2016/REG12/bengals@ravens#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000746511&tab=videos

    Pass deflected by a D-lineman who got his hands up on it, intercepted off the deflection.  That's not a "terrible decision" interception, either. Just bad luck.

    vs Dallas: No interceptions

    I just looked at the past 5 games, that's 200 pass attempts and 4 interceptions, and only his final pass of the Eagles game was an example of a "terrible decision", the other 3 weren't really his fault.

    Now I'll be more than fair and keep looking to see what we've got out of him this year... Next up is the Browns game:

    1st INT vs Browns: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2016111000/2016/REG10/browns@ravens#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000737347&tab=videos

    He throws up a pass to a single covered SSR.  That's not a "terrible decision".  It's intercepted for multiple reasons: Great CB coverage, first of all (which you claimed is not usually a reason for his passes being picked off), a great play to catch the ball by that CB, and let's not forget, yet another WR misplay by SSR.  He inexplicably just completely gave up on the route and let the CB have the only play at the ball for no good reason and we paid the price because of it.

    2nd INT vs Browns: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2016111000/2016/REG10/browns@ravens#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000737408&tab=videos

    This is probably the next most recent example of a bad decision.  He tries to make a play, scrambles out of the pocket and throws the ball on the move, and Hayden picks him off.  It's nowhere near as egregious as the Eagles interception.  But it's definitely Joe's fault, but aided by the fact that the pocket collapsed and he had to run for his life and was trying to make a play, but a bad effort.  This is the 2nd INT that was primarily Joe's fault, he should have just thrown it away.

    vs Steelers: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2016110601/2016/REG9/steelers@ravens#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000734245&tab=videos

    He has to escape from the pocket again and tries to throw to the middle of the field while on the move, and it's just a bad effort.  This is another one that's his fault, but of course it's also another example of him having to run for his life when the pocket collapses and he tries to make a play, but made a big mistake again.  

    This is the 3rd that was primarily Joe's fault, he should have thrown it away.  But both this and the one above against the Browns were still great defensive plays.

     NEITHER OF THESE is the kind of play that happened against the Eagles, where a defender was just sitting there on the route waiting for him to throw it in his lane, and Joe had plenty of time to read the field but inexplicably didn't see him and threw it anyway.  That was the kind of thing you're trying to say is emblematic of Joe's interceptions?  Still haven't seen another one this season like it and I've looked at each INT back to the bye week, because both this one vs the Steelers and the one vs the Browns were great defensive plays, Joe didn't have time and was disrupted and couldn't set his feet for the throw, so it's entirely different than the just plain bad decision and easy (not even noteworthy) play by the defender like in that Eagles INT.

    Let's keep going...

    1st INT vs Jets: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2016102306/2016/REG7/ravens@jets#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000726031&tab=videos

    This is not a bad decision, it's a great play by the safety and a bad overthrow by Flacco, but the decision to go there isn't really the issue.  This is the 4th INT that's all on Joe (counting the one vs the Eagles, and one each against the Steelers and Browns) (this one is in my opinion the second most to-blame for him, because he had time to set his feet and step into that throw, and just made a really bad throw, there's literally no-one to blame but him on this one, so it's not like you can just say that he made a mistake because of the pressure like on the two I described above).

    2nd INT vs Jets: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2016102306/2016/REG7/ravens@jets#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000726468&tab=videos

    This is also a good decision, but yeah not a great throw, and a terrible route by Perriman who was supposed to come back for this but let himself get beat inside to have that ball taken away.  This one doesn't fit the narrative that Joe makes terrible decisions and CB's don't make special plays on the ball to pick him off.  This was the right decision to make that throw, and a really bad effort by Perriman and a great effort by the CB.

    The next 3 games in a row going back, he threw 0 picks.

    1st pick vs Jags: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2016092504/2016/REG3/ravens@jaguars#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000708976&tab=videos

    Pitta and Flacco are not on the same page about what route Pitta's running here, thus the ball ends up way behind him.  It still took an absurd diving effort from the defender to tip the ball into the air, and then a dumb lucky situation where another defender is back there to catch it for an interception.  Just bad luck.

    2nd pick vs Jags: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2016092504/2016/REG3/ravens@jaguars#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000709006&tab=videos

    The ball is deflected at the line of scrimmage, and Forsett also misplays it in the air and a great defensive play leads to the interception.  This also just bad luck.

    So that's 2 interceptions in one game, both are ridiculously unlucky for Flacco that they were picked off.

    There's only two more picks left to look at, in the first Browns game:

    1st INT vs Browns: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2016091801/2016/REG2/ravens@browns#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000704251&tab=videos

    First of all, it's a fine read and an excellent play by Joe Hayden to intercept this ball.  Secondly, it looks to me like SSR messes up this route at the end of it.  It looks to me like he gave up on this one, similar to that one in the other Browns game that I discussed above.  When he cuts out of his route it looks like he's on a a straight line to where Flacco threw the ball to, but SSR ends up trailing off at the end of the route and doesn't wind up at that spot.  I think if SSR had committed to this route it would have been a great completion, actually.

    2nd INT vs Browns: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2016091801/2016/REG2/ravens@browns#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000704509&tab=videos

    This throw it definitely not great, it needed to be more to the sideline over Perriman's right shoulder.  It was too inside, giving Hayden a chance to make a play on it.  But once again, it's a good read, a good decision, and a good play by the CB that leads to it being an interception on an imperfectly thrown ball.  This doesn't fit your narrative of Flacco throwing INTs on terrible reads and it not necessarily being good CB coverage.  This is *FANTASTIC* CB coverage and a great play on the ball.  And Perriman's 2nd career game and he could have probably done something to break this pass up anyway, but didn't.

     

    So breaking all that down, I count 3 just plain unlucky interceptions (all deflected and then intercepted), 3 clear and obvious WR misplays that are not at all Flacco's fault, 3 more where it was a great defensive play and the WR didn't play it optimally and could have prevented an interception, 1 clear overthrow but not a bad decision, 2 ill-advised attempts to make a play and throw the ball while scrambling outside the pocket, and then that pass in the Eagles game where he just never saw the linebacker sitting there waiting to jump the throw.

    So I'd say that 6 of his 13 interceptions are essentially not his fault at all and should not have been intercepted, 3 more were not bad decisions and were great defensive plays coupled with poor efforts by the WR and probably shouldn't have been intercepted, and then 4 that were clearly Joe's fault, but only a grand total of ONE of them fits the mold of just being a plain old poor read and failure at scanning the field when he had time in the pocket.  ONE more was him making a poor throw that had no chance to be anything other than interception, while he had plenty of time in the pocket.  And the final two were just screw-ups while running for his life and trying to make something out of nothing and it ended up not working out.

    If you ask me, Flacco's decision making has been very safe and sound this year, with really the only poor decisions being the Eagles INT and the two interceptions where he shouldn't have forced the ball while scrambling and instead just thrown it away.  One really bad throw that had no chance and was 0% the fault of the receiver.

     

    Wow. Look at all those interceptions you listed. I rest my case. You're pathetic.

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      1 hour ago, Crusader said:

    Before Flacco's contract ,from 2008 to 2011 44 wins and 20 . After the contract 2012 to 2016 , 41 wins and 37.....Nothing to see here.Move on.

    2008 - 2011: 1 OC .  2012 - 2016: 5 OC  I found something to see here

    Typical reply from a Flacco apologist. The dude has been a starting QB in the NFL for 9 years, and still makes rookie mistakes. Just accept it, for God's sake. You don't need an OC to know not to throw off of your back foot, or to throw a "no look" pass to the wrong team when you're on the opponent's 11 yard line, with a 10 point lead with 6+ minutes to go. What Flacco needs is logic; and this has alluded him for quite some time.

    Wait, wait, wait...I know what your argument is; so I'll do it for you: "Remember the 2012 playoffs? He is a super bowl MVP, you know."

    Save it.

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      3 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

    Marty is uninspiring and clueless when it comes to game management and calls based on the situation in a game. Perhaps it is Harbaugh's responsibility but both proved lax in that yesterday. I am being kind with the word 'lax' actually. Joe after 9 yrs and a SB victory still seems to be terrible at recognition and vision of the field and decision making. If he is on, he is great but this season he is hardly on.

    Yes, and so did Brady when Weddle got him. Joe's was worse for sure, but it does happen.

    It happens to Joe A LOT. Most of his picks have been due to terrible decisions. Not necessarily good CB coverage.

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      4 hours ago, 7NationArmy said:

    Dear Ravens,

    When we all complained last week because the offense was moving too slow and they weren't being aggressive late in the 4th quarter, it was because we were DOWN 10 not UP 10.

    DOWN 10 = HURRY/AGGRESSIVE
    UP 10 = SLOW DOWN/RUN THE BALL

    Please print this off to have as a reference.

    PS. If you could return the years that I lost of my life due to the end of that game that would be great. Whenever you get the chance.

    Thanks,
    Ravens Fans

    But 3 games ago against the Bengals the Ravens did just that and the Bengals climbed back into the game... I like the aggressive call it didn't work out obviously and Flacco made a terrible throw. The defense can't let the Eagles lackluster offense move the ball like they did.

    Running down the clock, then kicking a FG would have pretty much assured them the W. In that exact scenario, you absolutely do not take unnecessary risks. It was an incredibly stupid, stupid call. The throw? Well, that was even worse than the call itself.

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      44 minutes ago, TheConquerorWorm said:
      58 minutes ago, JamesA119 said:
      1 hour ago, callahan09 said:
      1 hour ago, JamesA119 said:

    I don't buy your attempt at one more excuse for an underachieving QB

    It's not an excuse, it's a search for an explanation on a ball that had no chance of being anything other than an interception.  And if you were to think honestly and look back at history, you'd have to acknowledge that this not a typical Joe Flacco type of interception.  He'll throw interceptions where a route got jumped, or he'll have an over/under/behind/in-front of off-target throw, right?  But this throw was none of those things.  It was just completely targeted to a spot where no receiver was running a route to.  These are typically what we call "miscommunications" so that's the most obvious explanation, right?  If you re-watch the play, you can see how if Waller ran a horizontal cut on that route instead of diagonal, then the throw actually starts to make sense.  So, that's *a possibility* for what happened on that play.  Rather than just calling it an "underachieving QB" why don't you watch the play and come back at me and explain how there is no possibility that this was anyone's fault but Flacco's, for X/Y/Z reason(s)?  I'd love an actual discussion, rather than dismissal with no actual argument.  I think that's fair.

    I appreciate your view. On the replay it appeared that he had made up his mind that he was going to Steve Smith. The problem was that that route that Steve smith ran was sniffed out pretty early and he had no chance, and yet Flacco threw it.

    SSS slipped on his break, otherwise he was open in the endzone. Timing play that would have been a TD but Joe should have seen the LB falling back. It's a hard read for any QB in under 2 seconds.

     


     

    Flacco INT.jpg

    Oh stop it! I see 3 defenders converging on the route.

    Joe is a dumb QB. Just because it was a bad call does not excuses his poor execution. Marty did call interception as the play.

    Joe is dumb and only looked good with vets surrounding him. He's the same guy that on 4th and 29 with the playoffs on the line, he threw a 6 yard pass to Rice. Same guy that consistently saw Polamalu line up on the outside and did not adjust protection.

    After 9 nine years and 5 OCs he's run out of people to blame.

    Yep

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      1 hour ago, callahan09 said:

    That interception looked ugly as hell. The only thing I can think of is that Waller was supposed to cut horizontally across the field at the spot where he cut up diagonally. If that was the route he was supposed to run, then it looks like Joe's decision to throw and the placement of the throw might have been correct. Because if that's NOT the case, then the decision and the throw make abslutely NO sense. Personally, I'd give the benefit of the doubt to Flacco over Waller. Waller is an inexperienced player who wasn't on the active roster for a significant portion of the offseason & season, so him running the wrong route seems more likely to me. But this is why football is such a difficult game to analyze. How are we as fans supposed to know what happened on that play? But after trying to figure out why Flacco threw that horrible looking pick, it appears to me that if Waller had cut directly horizontally across the field rather than diagonally, it might have been a completion, and that the only explanation that makes any sense to me is that Waller ran the wrong route.

    I don't buy your attempt at one more excuse for an underachieving QB

    Thank you. Granted, Flacco played pretty well. But man, he, for the most part, will do one or two incredibly stupid, unnecessary things each game. Sometimes he looks freaking incredible. At other times, he's terrible.

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    That interception looked ugly as hell. The only thing I can think of is that Waller was supposed to cut horizontally across the field at the spot where he cut up diagonally. If that was the route he was supposed to run, then it looks like Joe's decision to throw and the placement of the throw might have been correct. Because if that's NOT the case, then the decision and the throw make abslutely NO sense. Personally, I'd give the benefit of the doubt to Flacco over Waller. Waller is an inexperienced player who wasn't on the active roster for a significant portion of the offseason & season, so him running the wrong route seems more likely to me. But this is why football is such a difficult game to analyze. How are we as fans supposed to know what happened on that play? But after trying to figure out why Flacco threw that horrible looking pick, it appears to me that if Waller had cut directly horizontally across the field rather than diagonally, it might have been a completion, and that the only explanation that makes any sense to me is that Waller ran the wrong route.

    No way dude. Even if it was Waller's fault; that is stupid call AND stupid pass. Very seldom do slants work as "timing routes" deep in the red zone. That was completely idiotic. But it's typical of this Ravens team. Lots of talent, but a lot of dumb people calling the shots.

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    I have little confidence we can win our remaining 3 games. 2 of them are on the road and we've proven that it doesn't matter if a team is 3-10 or 10-3, we can lose to the worst of them. By how many points, is a moot point, it still goes down as a loss. If we can win these 3 on added heart or urgency, I don't want to hear it because they get paid to play with heart and urgency, every game.

    I'm less concerned about Pitt than I am the other teams remaining. It's a weird team, and they have been for a long time now.

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    The importance of running the ball more has been mentioned all along - nothiong's happened. The importance of cutting down on penalties was made clear - nothing's happened. The need to speed up the O's game has been made clear time and again - nothing's happened.

    At this point it seems painfully obvious that the Dolphins game was an aberration, and much more the product pf the Dolphion's impotent game than our success - every other game we saw a dishearteningly inefficient O apparently unable to make any improvements as the season's been developing.

    The question is kinda automatic: what are we hoping for? What hasn't worked for 12 out of 13 games will suddenly and miraculously start working in game #14? That all the obvious mistakes the offense's coaching has been doing all along, will suddenly disappear? That Joe Flacco will, after well more than a year, suddenly have a sensible game against a good opponent - like he used to in ye olden days, when he apparently still cared about winning? That the O which seems to be unable to mut up more than 16-18 points on any, slightly decent D will somehow figure out how to score more, 3 months into the season?

    I say winning 1 out of the remaining game should be regarded as the normal expectation. anything more is a plus, losing out would be less surprising than winning out.
    But hey, it's the NFL, every week is a new story. So, we'll see...

    Spot on, man. They are who they are.

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    I see a lot of people on here saying Flacco doesn't know how to read defenses, but he finished with 71% completion 325yds 2TD's and 92.1 QBR. I mean John Gruden was (obnoxiously) flabbergasted by the defensive scheme so it couldn't have been a cake walk for Flacco and he still put up those numbers. Not to mention the countless drops or flubs by his receivers (Wallace). So my question is: was that just luck on his part, or maybe he was reading the defense well and we just have mediocre weapons who only win occasionally in man-to-man and subpar coaching/game-planning?

    On the topic of calling audibles and "taking command of the offense", how does everybody so confidently know that it is Flacco's deficiency and not due to helicopter coaching by Harbaugh/Marty with a "stick to the gameplan we gave you Joe" type deal? In other words, is it because Flacco doesn't know how to/isn't good at it or is it because he is being restricted? I don't know, I don't think anyone but Flacco and the FO know, but this is something I have been asking myself for a while -- maybe there's a way to tell. I'd argue, however, given Harbaugh's coaching style, and how Marty reacted when Flacco called him out (he should do it more often), that Flacco has been and is being stifled/micromanaged when it comes to plays. Also there is evidence to support that on the field: when do we see Flacco picking apart defenses and getting into a rhythm? When he goes NO HUDDLE, it's what he did in college and in the first few years of his career. In the hurry up, he's in the driver's seat or at the very least has the final decision making ability and logistically cannot be vetoed by Marty and Harbs.

    Anyway just food for thought, Go Ravens!

    It damn well should have been 71%, because the majority of them were short, check downs. Unless I'm mistake, one pass play to Juice went for BIG yards, and then there was the bomb to Perriman. The 2 TDs came off of those ST turnovers. Flacco did JACK SQUAT all game up until that point. So please stop with the misleading numbers already.

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      8 hours ago, Flacco4President said:

    Joe is saying we need to run the ball based on what he is seeing. Why are we not doing it then? He is on the field and controlling the offense. Does he not have the ability to audible after 9 years? Do we really only go onto the field with only passing options available? We have an outstanding left tackle, a pro bowl full back and arguably the best guard in the game playing on the left side. Run left.

    I don't believe we can chalk all of this up to penalties and being out of position. We ran 4 times in the first half - there weren't so many penalties that we couldn't try more than 4 times.

    True, but we're also not very effective running the ball this year either.

    3.7 YPC on the year. That's near the bottom in the NFL.

    It's no different than 3.7 yard check downs. Heck, 3.7 YPC is good enough to keep a defense honest. 3.7 x 3 is 11.1 yards gained.

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    Flacco: "That's not enough." Wow. Thanks for the insight there, Captain Hindsight. If you need to run more, how about changing the play at the line? You'd think after 9 years this guy can read a defense consistently.

    For example, on that safety, you could clearing see the Pats d line shift to the strong side. What does Flacco do? Runs the play that was called from the huddle, right into the Pats D.

    Honestly, though. I don't think he cares all that much. Whatever. Go Ravens

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      4 hours ago, Ravensfansince03 said:

    When I saw Brady showing that high emotion and fire on the sideline, I couldn't help but say "I wish Flacco was like that". I knew at that point in the 1st quarter that the game was over. Flacco cannot match the competitiveness of Brady. Only Ray Lewis was capable of pushing this team over that edge.

    Which is why I was upset at people who criticized Ray for criticizing Flacco. I do not know what goes through some peoples mind, but when a legend like Ray Lewis gives out criticism, especially to a player that is playing for the team he fought for, you just shut up and listen. I'd take Ray Lewis over flacco any day...point blank. Flacco should have been thankful to get those words from Ray. he only said it because he truly cares about this organization. Unfortunately there are people in this Ravens organization that never gave as much as Ray did, but they feel like they are in a position to downplay his words.

    A couple of yrs ago Reed criticized Flacco. That lit a fire under him and he played very well the next couple of games. Ray Lewis lit that fire again. We just need some veteran to criticize Flacco about every other week and we can win the S B.

    Haha. Maybe SSS will be that one to do it.

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      4 hours ago, Ravensfansince03 said:

    When I saw Brady showing that high emotion and fire on the sideline, I couldn't help but say "I wish Flacco was like that". I knew at that point in the 1st quarter that the game was over. Flacco cannot match the competitiveness of Brady. Only Ray Lewis was capable of pushing this team over that edge.

    Which is why I was upset at people who criticized Ray for criticizing Flacco. I do not know what goes through some peoples mind, but when a legend like Ray Lewis gives out criticism, especially to a player that is playing for the team he fought for, you just shut up and listen. I'd take Ray Lewis over flacco any day...point blank. Flacco should have been thankful to get those words from Ray. he only said it because he truly cares about this organization. Unfortunately there are people in this Ravens organization that never gave as much as Ray did, but they feel like they are in a position to downplay his words.

    Ray Didn't throw 11 touchdowns in the 2012 Playoff run.I really don't care what Ray says he is retired, move on.

    Funny. Perhaps you should move on from 2012. Ray is gone, and so is 2012, along with Flacco's stats from that playoff run that YOU can't seem to let go of. They mean absolutely nothing now.

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