metalraven

Bye Felicia!!!! Secondary was atrocious this year!!

nonsense! compare this season's secondary to last season's and you'll see a night and day difference; especially in the turnover department. Pay attention. Frazier turned the secondary around. Another season would have done us wonders.

All 47 fans are irate!

If you follow Twitter, you'll see we're picking up (former) San Diego fans in droves.  

Really?

Lot of happy fans today.

Sure would be nice if the Ravens knew what they wanted to be. At least, now, they know they aren't a Drew Brees' high flying passing offense. At least i hope they know.

hahaha. here's to hope!

23 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

That's on a game to game, week to week case. There were games where I think we did abandon the run (Redskins for example), and there were other games, like Dallas for example, where the boxscore says we didn't run it enough, yet you'd have a hard time naming maybe 1-2 more plays the entire game where running the ball was more effective. 

I think if you'd have seen us be more effective running the ball, especially earlier in the season, you'd have seen us run it more.

I want to fix the quality before I fix the quantity.

Well, I guess it was a lose/lose scenario. Clearly throwing the ball more than running didn't do us any good. So which is it? Ineffective run game or ineffective pass game? That's precisely why balance is needed. The imbalance of the offense was incredibly disgusting, and resulted in many losses. You simply CANNOT do that with Joe Flacco throughout an entire season. He ain't that guy. Never has been, never will be. The results are obvious.

23 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Define lately? I think if you asked most NFL teams, "lately" wouldn't be a 1-2 year window. That's like saying the Seattle Seahawks haven't won a SB "lately".

Let me rephrase that statement: "We haven't been there much." Better?  In 4 years, we've been once. This is the Ravens. The bar of high expectations was set a long time ago - that bar has not been met..."lately." And comparing the frequency in which a team makes the playoffs to how often a team reaches the super bowl is quite silly.

20 minutes ago, whobilly said:

So Ryan Fitzpatrick or EJ Manuel will get us over the hump? Or better yet Rivers or Matt Ryan because they've accomplished SO much in the post season.

who said anything about those guys? and you can't bring up the post season - we haven't been there lately.

55 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Simple answer... because we weren't very good at running the ball when we did. So why would doing something more of something you're not good at be a good thing?

28th in rushing attempts, 23rd in YPC. What does that tell us? Not only didn't we run the ball enough, but we also didn't run it well when we did.

If we get the same from Joe in 2017 as we got in 2016, then he will be a starting QB in 2018. We're married... we're not dating.

They seldom gave the run game a chance. You can't build on something that has no foundation. They were slinging the rock from the get go. Hell, even in obvious running situations, they'd throw. Now, you may not have the best run game, but that shouldn't be a cause for complete abandonment of that aspect of the game. Simply put, Flacco isn't good enough to carry an offense for an entire season. He NEEDS a run game to excel. 

I understand your argument, and it is valid to a point. The YPC wasn't awesome, but it was enough to use the ground game more. Ground wasn't working, but neither was the pass game - obviously. So I guess it's moot. lol

And yes, we get Joe for eternity. But if it's garbage next year, something has to give.

The Flacco Defender Squad is out in full force today! They feel validated by Steve Smith's remarks.

If it's BECAUSE of the system: Why not keep it simple by running the ball more?
If it's BECAUSE of the injury: Why not keep it simple by running the ball more?
If it's BECAUSE the receivers dropped passes: Why not keep it simple by running the ball more?

New OC, bum knee, "bad receivers" - no problem! We'll throw it 670 times. That's the solution!

The points in Joe's defense do have validity - but Joe is still the one playing and throwing and leading the offense; so he inherently is accountable for the way he plays.

If we get the same ol' next year, then what? What excuses will be made then? If by then you can't accept reality, then you're either too stupid to see it, or you're turning a blind eye because you're emotionally invested in Joe Flacco.

Next year better be different!

  1 hour ago, steelcityraven said:

Joe will be okay... I don't think he will ever be Brady, Rodgers, or Brees but the good news is that we really never drafted him to be that. He has won a SB MVP and SB trophy without being that. He has shown that we can win the big one with him but he cannot do it alone and we have to keep him protected.

We have Joe regardless of what some fans think and I really don't believe that will change... so lets just provide the help and protection that he needs to allow him to be successful at what he does

and what he does is become the best game manager in the NFL. That may not sound sexy but he won us a super bow being that. I think if we allow that and he wins another super bowl for us... every fan would be happy with that, the team would be happy with that and heck... I think even Joe would be happy with that!

I would be thrilled if he could assume the mantle of 'game manager' and do what is in the best interest of a victory! We can win a couple of SBs with him adopting that role imho. He must be protected no matter what for him to be successful. His achilles heel has always been pressure that makes him commit critical errors in judgment that either don't end up in a FD/TD or end up being intercepted. He cannot be expected to be Tom Brady who can dissect any defense you throw at him because he isn't very good at it either. But give him a strong running game and force him to comply with the game plan and give him sure handed receivers that can make contested catches and he'll excel. Let's hope that this is exactly what the Ravens plan on doing for him moving forward.

I agree. He should just play within himself. I want to see the 25 TDs, 10 picks, 3,600 yards and a 12-4 record. Keep it simple.

You read about other teams QB and receiver working out together in the off season. I don't think Flacco has done that. I really believe Flacco is not very coachable.

I agree. He's the same guy we've always seen. Not much improvement over the years. 2014 was a really good year, and apparently that's because he was held accountable.

33 minutes ago, reed20 said:

Our ticket prices were in the bottom half of the league. Our record, though disappointing in the end, wasn't.

Still not good enough to raise the prices. If they raise the prices, and put out another mediocre team in 2017, they'll have to start giving tickets away in 2018 just to fill seats. Fans can be loyal, but loyalty is not throwing hard earned money in the garbage.

  2 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

i mean we were not a good running team - otherwise we'd run it more - do you really think the coaches dont want to run the ball or that they want to lose? we could have run the ball more, maybe should have, but we definitely needed to run the ball better - there's no point running into a brick wall for short to no gains repeatedly just to have the opposing team swallow it up without even having to brink a safety down into the box - we did not run the ball well which obviously makes it more difficult to run the ball consistently

You make too much sense to post in here. A lot of these guys thinks we pass to the tight end because the QB is his friend .LOL

 

Dude you watch that game against the Bengals? Apparently not, because Flacco left wide open receives hanging and pitched it to his buddy. I'd say there's some truth to that - after all, Pitta needed x amount of catches to meet incentives. It's not that far fetched, especially for a game like that.

Oh, and watch Flacco throw that beautiful pick in the end zone, directly into the defense...who was he passing it to? Pitta.

  3 hours ago, omar586 said:

what does roman bring to the table? anyone?

the run game was 28th b/c u didn't call running plays, u abandon the run, harb is hypocrite, b/c in press today he seems to blame the lack of running the ball on the players not on the coaches for not calling run plays, b/c whenever we ran the ball we ran it effectivly, but i guess he's trying to convert us to that hi-flying- passing attack that we are not there yet.

i mean we were not a good running team - otherwise we'd run it more - do you really think the coaches dont want to run the ball or that they want to lose? we could have run the ball more, maybe should have, but we definitely needed to run the ball better - there's no point running into a brick wall for short to no gains repeatedly just to have the opposing team swallow it up without even having to brink a safety down into the box - we did not run the ball well which obviously makes it more difficult to run the ball consistently

We were a decent running team. And even if you aren't you don't completely abandon that aspect of the game. Look at the results...clearly the offensive decision making was poor.

Hey. Want to buy my toaster oven? It works sometimes, and I have raised the price.

Ya. Another running back is what we need. That way we have 3 good RBs that'll barely touch the ball. THAT'S the answer. Phew - now my confidence is restored.

3 hours ago, 03tsal said:

They got absolutely NOTHING from rounds #2 & #3. Round #4 produced a bunch of picks that produced NOTHING. This was a horrible draft considering the great picks this team had !!

You're dead wrong regarding the 4th round:

CB Tavon Young - STARTER
WR Chris Moore - not there yet, but has shown a lot or potential, and this dude is going to be good
OL Alex Lewis - STARTER
DT Willie Henry - Yet to see what he can do
RB Kenneth Dixon - STARTER (Shares snaps with West)

I don't know what you're smoking, but you need to quit. That is an insanely productive 4th round. Most teams can only dream of getting that talent in the 4th round.

That 4th round is insane! That's an unbelievable group of guys, especially for 4th round. My god.

45 minutes ago, billiejean said:

Well that just isnt true at all. His first four games were rough with people rotating through the guard spots next to him. And yes there were two times in one of those games where he backed up on Joe. And in another one of those games neigher Jensen or Zuttah blocked a guy that they were clearly responsible for which lead to a sack. But in the last eleven games of the season he has been rated as one of top five players on the offensive side of the ball eight times. Twice he was the top player and twice he was the second. I wouldn't call Zuttah past his prime or a stop gap. He was rated the number 9 gaurd in the league last year. But he is expensive and if we do get rid of him we better have a plan because there is no one else on our roster that would come close to performing the way he did. And its possible that you would dispute PFFs grade or grading system but what I would say is that you are basing you opinion on only about 1 percent of his plays because there is no way that you would be able to watch him, and then access his performance on every single play during the game. But, he is expensive and I would be fine letting him go. But if we let him go and think that either Urschel or Jensen would be able to perfrom in his place it would be a really big over site.

I agree. Zuttah is a solid C. They aren't easily replaced. He had his rough moments, as you stated, but I would not cut him unless we had something lined up to replace him. Otherwise, he's staying put.

The Defense got left hangin in several games so do not throw them under the bus! The position that is suspect and affecting this entire team is the "QB" position! Our Defense is missing that intensity that Ray Ray brought not saying Sizzle isn't getting it done but the MLB gotta be the heart and soul of the "D"! But like I said the Offense left the Defense hangin making Justin Tucker the MVP SMH! Offense had games within reach but choked every time!

Both sides of the ball choked. When one was doing well, the other blew it. Yes, Flacco sucked. But we're stuck with him.

The 2017 draft is deep with CB talent. I say take one with the first pick and either get the other in free agency or trade for 1. We need 4 talented CBs for our defense to perform like it did. I think you're right. We focus endlessly on pass rush, but pass rush becomes so much more effective with good secondary play, it isn't even funny.

and visa versa

I'm not too high on the idea of resigning B. Williams anymore either. The dude flat out disappeared in the last quarter of the season. He's going to cost way too much anyways, then he'll get signed by another team, then under perform.

Well, we have 18 TEs on the roster, so maybe start there. Then move onto a secondary that has a bunch of pine riders who SUCK and should not even be on the practice squad. Then get rid of doom - he's useless. We all saw how inept he was when Suggs was out last season; and then this season, well, not much different.

4 hours ago, eze17 said:

Come on, you know that stat's were implied, or you wouldn't have brought them up...I'll take a QB who can win the big game over a fantasy stud ten times out of ten. It's that simple. Nothing to show? Well, personally I love to watch football, so as long as the Raven's are putting out a competitive team I'm all in. Yeah, the last two seasons have been disappointing. No denial there. But in the long haul, we've had great football. And I'm confidant we will have continued good fortune. Drinking the purple Kool-Aid? Yeah, to A degree. I certainly don't agree with everything that the FO & coaching staff do, nor deny that some players under perform. But to say that "well, Joe sucks" is A cop out, and ignoring the past. Flacco still has some good football in him...Just keep the faith.

Stats were not implied. Not in the least bit. (Now I'm comforted to know that you cannot read minds) And you, sir, are the one that keeps bringing it up. And even if I did bring up stats, you can't just completely ignore them anyways. To a degree, they are a reflection of the player. Of course there are many variables; but generally speaking, if your stats are consistently bad, then it stands to reason that the player is not all the good. In fact, a QBs stats can have a direct impact on the teams wins and losses. For example, look at Joe's stats for 2013, 2015 and 2016 - all mediocre. And guess what? The team was mediocre too. Now look at 2014 - quite possibly Joe's best statistical season - what do you know - the team as a whole was successful. You see the correlation between the team's performance and Joe's stats? Remember the words of SSS: "We go as [Flacco] goes." Can't argue with that.

To your point regarding the FO - Not once did I question them, nor did I mention them. I simply pointed out Joe's massive contract, and rhetorically asked: "What do we have to show for it?" One playoff appearance since, and a losing record over that span. That's what we have to show for it.

And I hope Joe has some good football in him. Trust me, I want him to be awesome. But as of late, he most certainly has not been playing good football. 20 TDs and 15 picks won't win you much ball games. (Like those stats?)