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we have seen his playbook the last 2 seasons go back and look at when he was a offensive coordinator that season in san Francisco they had the last ranked offensive attack frank gore had his worse year ever

Unless his name is Cam Cameron then we haven't seen his playbook. Fact is, I'm willing to bet 99% of us don't know what we'll get from the guy, we are just looking at numbers and reports from his 1yr in San Fran. That's like saying Billick was the OC of the highest scoring offense at the time in Minn so he'll make our offense good. Uh how did that work out again?

Reports last year was that Hostler wanted to use the WRs directly but Cam didn't want his input, then once Cam was fired, the WRs started being used differently and more effectively. How much of that was Hos, I don't know but the players seem to like him and feel he had a lot to do with it.

It's funny how people will quickly point to the fact that players on a disfunctional 49ers team didn't like Hostler, but overlook the fact that current Ravens players really like him. Shouldn't current players mean more then players from like 8 years ago? Also if you are gonna take the word of a former player, why not Derrick Mason who has endorsed Hostler.

Over the first 5-6 games, Torrey, Brown and Doss we're all used more to their strenghts and put up impressive numbers. How do we know for sure Hostler didn't have a huge role in that?

Since when did a prediction from guys who aren't associated with a team that holds on to secrets better then National Security become facts. Unless I missed something, the Aaron Wilson tweet said several "NFL Sources" are "predicting" Hostler will "ultimately" land the job. There is no substance or concrete fact to this tweet. It just sounds like a couple of people perdicting that Harbs will stick to history and promote within. I remember last year that many "sources" "predicted" if Ed Reed hit the open market he'd be a Patriot. How did that play out again? Many sources predicted that Ray Lewis would end upp in Dallas if he hit the open market in 2009, how did that play out?

Now I could see if someone had a "source close to the team" then maybe it might be different. But here that multiple NFL scources are predicting something means little to me. That's like someone saying the Texans are predicted to take Clowney number 1, unless someone with direct knowlegde of what the team intends to do they they are just guessing.

Hell even Steve B, the man who cuts the checks publicly said he "feels confident" about re-signing Ed Reed, how did that work out? I'm not saying Hostler won't be the guy, but there is no weight to this tweet. It means as much as saying multiple NFL sources predict that Russel Wilson will outplay Peyton and win his first Super Bowl.

At first glance, when  I saw Kyle Shanahan's name as a potential Coordinator for us I just shrugged and thought he's a bum he doesn't know how to coach. Figured it was a joke.. But then I realized, hmm wait a minute I know absolutely NOTHING about Kyle Shanahan. So I started doing some research and the more I discovered the more I realized this is EXACTLY who I want to run our offense next year!

 

He meets all of my standards in what i'd like to see from our offensive coordinator:

 

-New School Coach

-Young and willing to adapt

-Aggressive offensive philosophy

-Coordinated multiple top 10 offenses on multiple teams

-Knows how to generate a successful rushing attack

 

When you think Shanahan you think of the Washington Redskins, media circus, red cheeks, implosion, blown knee, train wreck... little did I realize Kyle Shanahan is legit. Has quite an impressive resume. Look him up.

 

He gets my vote.

I think many people shared your initial thought. It's tough to see anything Redskin related as good. Befoe going to Washington Shanahan was viewed as a rising star, much like the Sean Paytons's, Josh McDaniels and Jason Garrett's of the world. A young offensive coach who could lead a top end offense. Then he went to the place where career's go to die.

This dude is only like 35, so it might be a few years before he gets a HC call.

The more I think about it, I can find strong points with with each that makes them a really good option. I've praised Shanahan a lot and feels he's the best choice of the 4. The only issue I can find with him is he didn't cater to RG3 and tried to develop him as a actual NFL QB.

As much as the fan base would hate it, Hostler wouldn't be as bad of as choice as people think. I'm not sure what system he would use but he's already familair with the players and what they do well. He played a huge role in helping Caldwell gameplan the offense and we saw with the playoff run how much success we had attacking teams weaknesses when we actually have solid oline play. I've heard that he was one of the main people trying to provide Cam with fresh ideas on how to use the WRs better in the pass game but Cam refused. I felt he and Caldwell had the offense moving in the right direction early, but injuries didn't allow us to continue. He wouldn't be my choice but I could see why he'd be the guy and wouldn't immediately bash the decision.

The more I look at Linehan, the more I don't like him. I thiink much like Cam he's the type of guy that is good for a young QB to develop under, but eventually that QB out grows the system. I also think he'd continue that same low percentage vertical offense that has held this team back imo. Now I will say his offense seems to be more creative then we're accustom to but I still don't like that type offense for our current personnel and feel Flacco has out grown that type system. But he has experience and his coaching style woulf mesh well with the low key, quitely go about you work style many of our offensive players have.

Kirby Wilson is a guy who is credited with being a strong teacher and that's always good. I think if he's the guy we'd put a great effort towards being a strong run team and that's a good thing, but in this QB driven league i'd like to see a offense built around Flacco. This is not to say Joe wouldn't be a focus or be able to perform at a high level in Wilson's offense, I'm just not sure what his offense will be. But if he focuses on the run game and brings heavy play action then I'm cool with it.

Again of the 4 Shanahan is my guy. I'd be interested to see who the other candidates are and who the QB coach candidates are. I'd like to see Kubiak hired as either OC, QB coach, or an offensive conslutant because he works that ZBS run game and play action so well. I think Joe, Ray, and BP would be deadly with his help.

Yeah it's from the same ESPN article....

 

 

Here's the link to the whole thing: Redskins Liked Kyle Shanahan's Offense

 

I'm with you, I could take a little "too cute" from time to time as long as the offense was creative and played to the strength of out guys.  The passing thing doesn't really have me worried because his offenses have generally been top-10 in running the ball.

Yea I don't mind the passing thing either because, I think you can trust Flacco with the ball in his hands late. The thing I'm excited about if Kyle is the guy is that he's never had a QB like Flacco. He's either had QBs he didn't feel comfort with in McNabb and RG3 or QBs who aren't really good in Grossman, Beck and Cousins. Matt Schaub was the only QB worth something. So to have him be able to work with the talent of Flacco, Rice and Pierce he might not feel the need to get "cute" at times.

That quote from the NFC coach talked about being a great OC under the right coach, i'd say Ozzie and Eric would help too. I've never felt the Redskins had good talent overall offensively. But he's done a really good job with those guys. Then I've felt that Ozzie and Eric while never really drafting great talent, we've drafted some talented offensive players that just weren't used or didn't really fit our offense. So this could be a great match for all parties involved.

I get the feeling that Wilson is a guy who derserves an opportunity to interview because he is well respected. You bring him in and listen to his views and ideas on how to improve the direction of the offense. If he wows you, then you might be willing to chose him over the others. He has a long history as a RB coach and while he's never been a OC or play caller in his career, might still fit the profile we are looking for from a teacher's standpoint.

I think if he's hired, you'd probably see large input from guys like Hostler, Castillo and his QB coach in designing a game plan much like we saw with Caldwell.

I posted this quote in the thread on Harbaughs statement about the candidates:

Yea that's one of the quote I read that helped me form the opinion of Kyle. I also read a quote from a NFC coach that said much of the same, I think it might have been from the same article. One of the knocks on Kyle is that because he has an answer for everything he sometimes gets too cute or out smarts himself. But i'd much rather live with that then 70,000 people knowingg exactly what play you're running.

I was surprised  when I saw that especially considering that some of the offensive staff members  were at the senior bowl evaluating talent.

Yes, but I don't think many if any of the guys will be let go. We have a RB and QB coach position open and we could always add a "pass game" coordinator or whatever conslutant title we wanna put on it. So after thinking about it I doubt if any coaches are fired in favor of the new guy, we'll just try to find a way to add a couple of his guys.

But I do think the ability to mesh with Castillo will be very important and that's a big reason why I think Shanahan will be the guy. I don't know how they'll mesh personality wise as both are said to be head strong, but I think what Castillo's vision of the oline is, matches up to what Shanahan can do offensively.

We are interviewing Steelers RB Coach and we have already interviewed college coaches. Harbaugh elaborates who he wants as an OC. He also said the search shouldn't take much longer.

 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/John-Harbaugh-Names-Four-Offensive-Coordinator-Candidates/77e00716-8cad-4ae6-a1cb-8b94da757191

Kyle would still be my guy. I found it interesting that Harbs said once we select a OC we'll build the coaching stafff around him. One of my biggest concerns was bringing a new OC and force him to work with what he is given instead allowing him to built his offense.

One off the things I love about Kyle is it was said that in Washington he made sure that his entire offensive staff knew the ins and outs of each play and tried to find every possible way a defense could defend that play. That's a really strong work ethic and not every coach shares that. How would that go over with the coaches already here? I personally feel that fits what Harbs is looking for from a OC but would Kyle need to bring some of his guys in who already know exactly what he wants to do offensive, or would he just be asked to coach the coaches up on what he wants to do offensively.

I think the main question about Kyle is whether we're prepared to see him move away from the run in a big way - because from what I've read it sounds like he will. Won't necessarily make him a bad OC, but I remember Cam got heat a couple of years back for not using Rice enough (that magic 25 touches).

I don't think that's as big of an issue as it's made out to be. As a play caller the last 3 years he's run the ball on average about 25-27 times a game. That's plenty enough in my book, now the timing of those runs could be an issue, but I don't think it'll be that big.

Just by the numbers the Redskins seem pretty balanced by today's NFL standards. 60-40 pass-run so I don't see a huge move away from the run. Also that Rice needs 25 touches is bogus imo. Yes he's a dynamic player that needs to be involved in the offense, but if we are keeping our offense on schedule working the pass game then our run game total should only need about 20-25 rushes a game and mainly just to keep the defense honest and finish off games.

I want Kyle. From what I hear he's a primadonna but the man can call plays. The Redskins have been crap bc of SNYDER, not bc of him. I mean, for one game he made KEILAND WILLIAMS serviceable. Ryan Torain? Alfred Morris? 6th round pick anyone? Arian Foster, UDFA, had a rushing title. Steve Slaton anyone?

 

 

The guy knows how to do a run game, and for once "Shanhannigans" pay off. 

 

He'd be a good hire.

I'm leaning towards Kyle as well. I just think moving forward what he brings fits us. You pointed out the run game, he also runs his offense through the ZBS, he has experience working with the bigger true #1 type WR but also made Garcon look like a stud. All we have is the two options we've interviewed so far and I'd definitely go with Shanahan over Linehan.

Linehan seems like another vertical guy that will just bring more creativity to our offense, but I still don't like the fact there aren't a lot of high percentage passes in the system.

He's not elite, but he's a solid starting receiver, better than a lot of starting receivers that have come through the league, and when paired next to a top-10 all time talent (Moss, Megatron) he does well.  And I think at this point in their respective careers he's better than Marlon because he's a very crafty route runner and knows how to make plays, like of like Mase at the end of his career.  I just look at where Linehan had success, and there was always at least one GOAT receiver on his team.

 

Or to sum it up, I think Cam's a better OC than Linehan.

I can't say I disagree. There's a reason I said with more polish for Brown. I'm not saying I want him as OC, but I don't think it's far to just give all the credit to his players either. You still have to put those guys in a good position to win.

I definitely agree that Cam is a better OC. I thought Cam just ran his course, it wasn't because he was bad. This offense was ready to evolve and Cam wanted to keep it surpressed for whatever reason. But with that said, not being as good as Cam doesn't mean that his fresh ideas, scheme and play calling doesn't fit this offense better.

Don't like Linehan. Too much passing. No balance. No rushing game in Detroit.

I think some of that is on the QB, I believe Stafford has full range to check out of plays and run or pass based off what he sees. I'd rather be balanced too, but if we can have the same passing success as the Lions I wouldn't mind passing a little more.

We also can't just look at a coaches success or failure from another team and judge what he'd be able to do with our offense. I'm sure if we had a stud like Calvin Johnson we'd pass the ball a whole like more too, but we have 2 pretty good RBs. Now if you can look aat the Lions and say they had strong talent at RB but never used it, that's different. But I can't fault Linehan too much for playing to his teams strenghts, especially when you have the success those guys had.

I'm not sure, but I still don't trust it - he had Megatron and Burleson, before that it was Holt and Bruce, before that it was Moss and Burleson.  He's always had top end receivers in his offenses whenever they had any success at all, and that really worries me.  During the end of his time in St. Louis his offenses were in the bottom third of the league.

You think Burleson is a top WR? I'd argue that with a bit more polish and a creative offense that Marlon Brown will be better then that guy next year. I think Burleson is solid at best.

Not sure he's a good fit. The Lions had talent, but I don't think that they were particularly well schemed during his tenure despite what the numbers might tell you. Unless Megatron is coming with him. Just throw it to Torrey isn't going to work.

I'm not sure I agree, now let me say I haven't paid nearly enough attention to the Lions to say exactly what they do, but the times I've watched those guys they seemed to be schemed pretty well. Throwing it to CJ is a much as him being Staffords blanket then the play call just being designed to throw to CJ. But even with targeting CJ, they did a great job of moving him around to create those opportunites which I felt we could have helped Torrey out more with that this year.

I'm not sure you could look at the Lions and stay they under performed to their talents. I thought they got the most out of Reggie Bush as they could, Bell was seemingly used well, both Pettigrew and Burleson never seem to be heathly, but we they are that offense operates much better. Other then Johnson I honestly don't see anything special with that offense. Yea CJ helps that offense a lot, but I think Torrey showed early in the season that if you use him well, he can be among the top 10 WRs in the NFL.

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The Ravens interviewed former Detroit Lions offensive coordinator Scott Linehan today for their offensive coordinator vacancy, per sources

I wouldn't mind this hire at all. Former QB who has a laid back personality just like Joe. If his tenure in Detriot is any indication he's a really strong play caller who will put the offense in his QBs hands. I'd like to know what his plan is for the offense is. How would he use our guys.

I also think he's one of those guys that you probably don't have to worry about getting a HC job, so he'd be around for a while. Can't wait to see who we interview next

Maybe while they are at the bowl games the plan to meet with some prospects its possible . we seem to be the only team who can interview candidates and it not get leaked to the press ever lol .

 

I have my opinion about who will be hired/promoted but was anyone been able to confirm whether Kubiak was actually interviewed by the ravens. I saw a twitter feed saying he was having a meal at Jimmy's but then was told the picture was an old one so not sure how reliable that was.

There isn't anyone that can confirm anything about the Ravens OC position from what I see. Nothing or noone has confirmed the Shanahan interview, just "report" that say it took place and went well. Hostler is an in house candidate and "reports" say that he "will" interview.

It takes a lot of creativity to be this seceretive. Maybe we should share some of that creavtivity with the offense lol

I think Flacco's ceiling is somewhere in the ballpark of Drew Brees (and I think Drew's 2012 season and his years with Cam should suggest how integral his weapons and his system are in his success). I'm torn between wanting to quickly appoint a guy and focus on signing FAs (mainly our ones) and preparing for the draft; and between wanting the FO to take their time and get it right. I mean, you don't want to dither around looking for an OC but you also don't want to Jerry Jones the appointment either.

Much like the decision to have major change directly after a Super Bowl win for the long term betterment of the team, I think Ozzie and company are ahead of the NFL curve yet again. I think it's a geniuos move to wait. Why? While the fan in me say hire someone qick so I can know the direction of the offense and start to get excited, waiting allows the Ravens to make the absolute right decision. I think it's safe to say the Ravens already know who they want to hire, they are just narrowing down the man who best fits that profile. Norv would have been the best guy for us to continue our pervious system so I think it's safe to say that's done. I personally think we are looking for someone who can operate out of that zone system like Shanahan or Kubiak.

Now why I say it's so smart to wait is because this week coming up is the Senior Bowl. The Ravens get to not only interview players but they can continue to interview thie OC candidates, but now also get their input on certain players we might be looking at and how they would incorporate those guys into the system. For example and I'm not saying this will happen, but let's say that Kubiak and Shanahna are the top two candidates. You could get both their opinions on say a group of WRs and how they'd use those guys in our offense. The guy that matches up more with Ozzzie, Eric and Harb's thinking is more likely to be a better fit.

Now again I'm not saying this will happen, but the option of waiting gives the Ravens the time to make sure the right guy is selected, I don't think they hurt themselves in this situation because I think we already know where we wanna go offenseively, so the right players are already being scouted harded.

I said this somewhere else, but honestly I think our OC vacancy is the most sexy to any candidate. I feel like the OC most attractive opening, better then Lions or Browns head coaching vacancy(before being filled by Caldwell.) Any one who gets hired will be walking into a very good job with the right pieces, like in other words I feel like most coaches wouldnt mind taking the job because of the pieces they get to work with and yes obviously have plenty to work with. So to me I dont see how its not getting much attention or popular around league, its a great opening to be filled.

The reason it isn't getting much attention is because first it's only a OC job, regardless of how attractive its to candidates or how exciting it is to us fans, OC jobs just don't get much attention. Secondly the Ravens don't like to do anything out in public, they are a behind the scenes team. I've saw Kevin Bryne write and talk about Harbs holding serveral interviews daily and noone can convice me that he's lying. So how are the Ravens holding so many interview but the media isn't picking it up? Imo it's because the Ravens hold things so close to the vest and the media doesn't care enough to really dig deep, they are prefectly fine with speculating that Norv is a top candidate, despite never even checking to see if the Ravens would even put in a request.

Nobody knew of our intentions of interviewing McAdoo and I'm willing to bet if he didn't get the NYG job we still wouldn't know he's interviewing. The Shanahan interview came from nowhere and we still haven't gotten official word from the Ravens or Kyle if the interview actually took place, just "reports". Kubiak was in Baltimore with his lovely wife just checking out the city in his free time(if you seriously believe that) while he's in town the Ravens are holding interviews for a OC position that he seemingly fit, but only now do you hear reports about the possibility of Kubiak interviewing. Lol

As I've said before, this is maybe the single most important decision of this Franchise in last 10yrs or so, at least top 5. This decision could be the key to unlocking the true potential of your Franchise QB who heading into his 7th year and should be hitting his prime, or you could maake the wrong decision and have a Stud of a QB continue to play average because the system doesn't suit him best. This decision could be the one that pushes this team into that unquestioned elite status, because if we can consistnetly put up offensive numbers that rival the best offense, our defense should continue to be top 10 and we'll annually be one of the toughest teams to deal with, instead of being a team who can't beat the Bills. Some might not look at this decision as having this much impact but I do and I think the Ravens do, which is why they are taking their time and doing their due dilligence with this decision.

"They need stability at offensive coordinator. Look at Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. They've been playing in one system for their entire careers. That familiarity and comfort level is huge. This is a critical move for the Ravens organization." Rich Gannon.

 

I think that sums up exactly how important this decision for a new OC is. We have to make sure we have the absolute right guy for our offense moving forward this year and beyond. We can't continue to have so much change around Flacco. Even if a guy like Kubiak or Shanahan is brought in, does a great job and gets a HC job next year, we need to have assistants who can come in and run the same type system. We need to make sure that whomever we hire at OC is a great teacher and can get this entire offense moving in the right direction.

 

Whomever we hire should install the next and last offensive system that Flacco should have to play in the rest of his career. That sounds like a pretty big decision to be made and I'm glad the Ravens are taking their time to make it. This organization and the OC has to be on the same page in connection with the right players for the system we run. Way too many times in years past I though we either supplied Cam with the wrong type players or he just couldn't fit the current players into his scheme.

 

I continue to be excited about who the new OC will be, although I am tired of waiting lol, but I think this is an exciting time for the Baltimore Ravens, because no matter who the new OC is, it appears that many of us fans are getting exactly what we have wanted for years. New direction on offense. Ray Lewis' message 2 years ago after the Evans/Cundiff game was that everything happens for a reason. The debacle that was the Baltimore Ravens offense in 2013, might have been a blessing in disguise.

It's not so much about risk as it is about who actually fits with us and who's the right kind of guy. Mike is a former OL and all of his coaching background comes from a OL focus. Now i'm not saying if he is or isn't a good option, but given the fact that both he and Castillo would probably have strong views of how they see the oline working, there might be a huge disconnect. Harbs talked about a profile and I don't think Mike fits it.

We fans nail on who is bad and good for OC but the front page article keeps praising on Hostler which is scary to watch for the upcoming season.....

 

Well to be fair to the guy he didn't have much talent to work with his one year as 49ers coach. For all we know he tried to implement changes that the players just weren't on board with. I don't like the fact that his players bashed him and his offense was bad. I can't remember much about that 07 49ers team, but I know having Dilfer and Smith as your QBs can't be good.

 

I don't like him as OC but I only don't like him because of what I know about his time with the 49ers, however if he is the guy and he comes with some fresh idea on how to build this offense around Joe, but still have a strong running game i'm all for it. But if he's the guy just for the sake of keeping things consistent, then I hate it.

While I still would like for Brad Childress to get a shot and interview because I think he and Joe would work well and that offense would improve. I wouldnt mind Shanahan. I have been thinking about it. Shanahan had top offense in Houston with Schuab, Foster/Tate, Andre Johnson and in Washington top rushing offense with Griffin and Morris.So would could Shanahan do with Flacco, Rice/Pierce, Torrey and Pitta? I imagine he has the parts to have a good offense. 

 

I don't know if this is true or how much weight it holds but in the video on the front page LFW article. Casserly said that Shanahan's time in Houston as OC,  he thinks Kubiak was still the play caller. I've always found it interesting to see a guy coordinate the offense but not call plays. I don't know if this takes away from giving credit to Shanahan for the success in Houston or what, just thought I'd share.

I just want to clarify because it was just brought to my attention that some of younger fans who may not understand this yet. Kyle Shanahan would not be bringing same offense he used in Washington, so if that is why you dislike him please dont because you are misunderstood. I was listening to some kids in my local mall and also I have hard it on radio as well on 105.7 the fan. Shanahan wont be making Rice and Flacco run with the ball like Griffin and Morris. It would be a completely different offense than what you saw in Washington. Just thought this should be cleared up.

 

Actually he will be bringing the "same" offense. It's the same offense he ran in Washington with McNabb and Rex, only difference is he was able to make some tweaks to fit what his current player does well. The principles of the offense doesn't change. No Flacco won't be running the read option, but if you look at the times Kirk Cousins played, neither did he.

 

The offense doesn't change, the design does and that's something I really like about him because he's able to adapt to what personnel he is given unlike some other coaches we've had.

Are you referring to Greg Knapp?

 

Naw, smartphone just not so smart. Gary autocorrected to Greg for whatever reason.