3 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:Let's say the ToP is at 19:00 for the Ravens and 21:00 for the opponent and the Ravens take a drive for 4:00 and the opponent does for 0:03. Well, now the Ravens are up in ToP.
Do you see why this isn't exactly a good barometer?
But the statement was that the defense was tired & worn down. If they're on the field for 3 seconds, they still aren't tired and worn down are they?
Perhaps the offense is tired and worn down from watching the defense piss away 4th quarter leads, ever think of that?
14 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:Well, that doesn't tell the whole story. The Ravens can have a three minute drive and get one first down, but punt. The opponent then proceeds to get a first play touchdown. Who has the better ToP?
That has what to do with the worn down, tired excuse? If the other team is getting a one play TD, then the defense is still not worn down and tired are they? Besides, the opposite has been true for the most part. The defense is giving up 7,8,9 minute drives.
On 12/27/2016 at 7:25 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:I'm not the biggest pees supporter but I always have and always will say he is brilliant with the front seven. It wasn't the scheme, suggs played heavy and lethargic and doom played weak and always got nudged past the pocket. He called pressure often on the last drive and it wasn't getting home and then our dbs weren't covering.
We had a tendency this year like always, to change the game plan at the end. But that wasn't the case Sunday night. Ben just had one of his trademark drives and our guys weren't in position.
It wasn't "a drive". It was 21 pts. in the 4th quarter. Certainly some of that is lack of execution but defensive collapses in the 4th is not a new thing since Pees came here. 21 pts. They could not even hold them to a FG with only 78 seconds remaining. There is definitely fault at the feet of the coordinator when something like this is a trend and not an anomaly. Every Ravens' fan groaned when the offense scored - because everyone of them KNEW this defense wouldn't hold and they'd left Pitt too much time. What does that tell you? That this sort of defensive collapse is now an expected thing.
Five seasons of this - five. Different players have come and gone (some have moved on to have success after being called failures and taking the blame for Pees). At some point, the truth has to be admitted - the only common denominator is Pees.
It is difficult to actually separate our needs from coaching. As an example, if we retain Pees then our offense needs to be high powered. That would mean that OL & WR become priorities. If we cut ties with Pees, depending on who the replacement is, then those needs might fall down the ladder.
Is Marty staying? Because that then would have an effect on the type of WR we might need.
Here are our needs in no particular order:
OL
Passrush
CB(s)
WR(s)
C
Do we draft or use FA? I mean, Harbs seems somewhat not inclined to use rookies other than on ST unless absolutely necessary so, don't know that answer either.
6 hours ago, Florida Ravens Fan said:Ummm there is one game left. If any moves are done is in the off season.
True but they can't wait forever and a day like they did when we needed a new OC. They waited around and then most everyone was already snatched up.
It needs to happen Monday.
2 hours ago, Ravens419 said:For all you who say Suggs is done and he seems like he plans to be here next year how do you bench him he is the emotional leader of this team I'd just like to know if you really find it realistic he isn't starting next year
Um all his "emotion" and leadership didn't stop the defense from collapsing.
1 hour ago, Militant X 1 said:Steve Smith, Sr. says goodbye....
http://www.totalprosports.com/2016/12/26/baltimore-ravens-wr-steve-smith-announces-retirement/
Dang. There had been talk he might do one more year. Expected but still sad.
I'm not on the fire Harbs wagon however, if we go all out this game and starters go down with injuries - especially serious ones - then he should be gone.
14 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:You've missed the point entirely.
Okay sorry - came in the middle of the convo. I also meant to say "1 of those 3 years" lol
14 hours ago, Moderator 3 said:Harbaugh just said they're going full tilt to win next week.
Which proves he's an idiot - something I've never said about him. This game means zero to Cincy or us - not even like we'll play spoilers. All a win here does is hurt our draft selection.
Harbs is on the hot seat next year for certain - but I think he's safe right now.
My assessment on Harbs is this: he is a good HC with a history on special teams. I believe he relies more heavily on his coordinators in that respect & if he is the one making hire decisions on coordinators - he just isn't good in gauging that talent.
I'm fine with Marty getting one full season to put his mark on the offense - but Pees has already shown over 5 seasons that he isn't the answer. Friend or not, John, it's time to move on and do it NOW. Not wait around until any good choices are gone like we did with the OC position.
39 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:I don't have to tell my friends anything. They are watching these games just like us Frozen. And as of now, their assessment is right cause the Ravens have missed the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years. I get that you feel a need and want to "defend" Joe Flacco here but that is really not necessary or the point of the post. I already said that this loss wasn't on Joe. My friends statements of Flacco's inability to lead the Ravens to the playoffs was in connection with the departures and absence of both Ray Lewis and Ed Reed and their type of leadership that they provided for the Ravens franchise over the years and not solely about his skill set.
Ed Reed & Ray weren't coaching up the offense so their leadership isn't missed on that end IMO. And 3 of those years Joe spent over half on the sidelines so kind of have to throw that one out. He was horrible the beginning of this season, but he was recovering from a serious injury and in watching him I truly believe that played with his mentality. He looked like he was seeing phantoms out there, but he improved later in the season. I also think playing with a leg brace all year had some effect as well. But having any discussion at this time, for this year, for this game that involves some lack in Flacco is absurd. This loss is a pure defensive collapse period, 21 pts in the 4th quarter, one with just over a minute to play and your offense just gave you the lead - again. Flacco came through in the clutch - this defense & Pees failed - again.
31 minutes ago, ratedr said:Pees just sucks. Darian Stewart was a total bum here but now he's a Pro Bowler. Powers was good when be was part of Arizona's top-ranked unit but suddenly he's trash. Pees only knows how to scheme for HOFers apparently.
And LOL @ my Jimmy comment upthread getting negged. Nothing I said was untrue.
He's a protected entity with a lot of posters here - after all his injuries are the Pees' crowd favorite excuse. That is kind of blown if he isn't the bomb. lol
10 hours ago, ravens rule said:Going into flacco's 10th season why is WR still a huge question mark ?
Partly we ignored it for a long time & secondly, we honestly just aren't good at scouting WR talent. Maybe we need to bring in someone who is.
10 hours ago, Ravens419 said:I don't think we need a change at OC I think Marty deserves a full offseason to do what's he really wants with this team
I'm okay sorta with giving Marty another year to institute his own brand of offense.
8 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:In a lot better position than last year. Granted we need to find a replacement for Steve and another edge rusher, but if we can find a new OC we should be very good next season. We need to sharpen up on the interior, find an OLB, and another corner(I'd go find two. One slot guy and some insurance for if/when Jimmy goes down). Honestly, WR is the least of my worries.
While the rest of y'all overreact we're not too far off.
You meant if we can find a new DC right?
8 hours ago, drillem said:How did the defense fold like a cheap suit in the 4th quarter after such a decent 3 quarters? Something smells to high heaven.
You act like this is a new thing.
8 hours ago, redrum52 said:I get the anger towards Pees, but he tried sending pressure and it still sidnt get their. Our pass rush the past two years has been severely lacking. Many have said throughout that would be a problem. If you cant generate pressure you're done.
Again, 5 seasons, same issues, same excuses. This really doesn't have a whole lot to do with the pass rush when Bell went through them like butter as well. Pees just isn't the answer. Period. And we'll get the same old story - blown leads and going nowhere - as long as he is here. That is just already proven.
23 minutes ago, Florida Ravens Fan said:Ugh watching Harbs presser just pisses me off more. I like the guy but come on you just been eliminated from going to playoffs. Who cares about the freaking bengals game it means nothing. Show some accountability. All we ever hear "the guys played tough" blah blah blah.
I am not one advocating for his firing but lately he just sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher to me.
1 minute ago, ludy51 said:Theres a fun first live game experience...
I hope you enjoyed the game despite the outcome.
1 minute ago, RayRayRaven said:I'll let it ride on the cincy game......if Harbs wins he can stay. If Harbs loses he's gone
lol That game means nothing.
6 minutes ago, Steve0x said:If Pees isn't fired i want every Ravens fan don't renew their season tickets. Get smart like those old Baltimore Colts fans were when Irsay bought them in 1972
You mean what began his campaign to move the Colts from Baltimore? Yeah that's smart.
7 minutes ago, HoldingCall said:If not for the 2 interceptions by the D, the game wouldn't have been close. The D is not fully to blame, the team played a determined opponent tonight.
I don't care how you get there - carrying a 10 pt lead into the 4th you should win the game. Not to mention, the D also gave up that easy drive in the 1st to give the Steelers 7 pts. Not to mention, the offense also gave them yet another lead after they squandered the 10 pt lead - and they couldn't even hold the Steelers to a FG for OT. Not to mention, this isn't new. This is what our defense does in the 4th.
5 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:Defense put us in position to win the game. Two picks inside the 30, if the offense scores tds there game over. But sure, give it to Flacco. The legit worst offense i have seen in a ravens uniform. Where is Trent Dilfer, Jermaine lewis, Jamal or ray Rice and the 2000 Ravens D when you need them.
lmbo Are you serious here? Trent Dilfer?
Pees being gone should be a conversation and a decision by tomorrow morning after tonight and the last 3 weeks and the last 5 seasons. Should be an automatic and if it isn't, it will be another season of almost ran.
1 minute ago, 3-4ravdef509 said:Couple of dropped passes and missed blocks kept the offense from scoring at least 11 more points.
And a couple penalties that negated gains.
1 minute ago, Virginia 55 said:What????
Didn't the offense score a go ahead TD with only a little over a minute left in the game? I think that puts you in a position to win. Not to mention the initial 10 pt lead the defense had to begin the 4th quarter that they squandered.
1 minute ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:Although I don't support it, it wouldn't surprise me at this point tbh. Question is who would replace him
I'm not in favor of it, though I see the reasoning behind it. Perhaps he is part of the problem though. These coordinators definitely need to go, both of them.
4 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:He'll probably pin those on Joe too
And the missed FG too I'm sure lol
Sooooo do we have a draft thread? And I hope they don't hold off the State of the Ravens forever and a day this year.
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Three? Yeah, no lol
Oakland
Giants
Patriots
Steelers
We held the lead in all those games in the 4th quarter. And that is just the losses.
Jaguars, we won.
And I guess we're not counting the Eagles' game that if it meant anything at all to them they'd have kicked the EP for the tie.