ravensdfan

We all know that old definition of insanity right? But yeah, keep Pees and watch your defense fold consistently when it matters late in games. Please. Better give the offense all the love because, as I stated before, this offense is going to have to put up 30 or better every game with Pees' brand of defense. I kind of get retaining Marty, he did not have an entire season after all. But Pees has proven over his 5 seasons he is not the answer. At least we're interviewing for a QB coach.

If that happens, what I get is that we will remain the also rans we've been ever since his arrival. We'll do what we always do - while everyone is doing their firing & contacting of potential replacements today - we'll wait around until next week or the week after - and then we'll wonder why there are no decent candidates left. Or we'll stand pat because there are no decent candidates left.

Well we were actually just talking about playmakers in regards to Flacco's performance specifically. How pretty much every other QB deemed "elite" or "great" or whatever term you'd like to use has playmakers at his disposal. Which we don't have.

Who are they here?

They do have a great system - we've seen a couple QBs come in, make a spash, then go elsewhere and disappear. Not saying Brady isn't a great QB, just saying he does benefit from a pretty consistently weak division and the Pats great overall system. Not really arguing your point exactly, just saying without having those benefits it is difficult to make the comparison.

Why is it all or nothing? Don't get that. Harbs is a special teams coach - he relies more heavily on his coordinators so don't know why it wouldn't make sense to start fresh there. I think Harbs might be in the mix honestly, just don't think it will happen. If it does, I absolutely get it. I do believe his seat just got pretty hot and 2017 will determine what happens. So new coordinators to kind of start fresh makes sense.

Well, I'll play. Who are those guys here? When have we ever had them? Same question! Who are they? I mean it is difficult to actually know when we do not, nor have ever had, those guys.

You don't think it should be? After 5 seasons of it? After giving up 2 14 pt leads in 2014 cost us a chance at a SB appearance? After a 21 pt 4th quarter collapse cost us a playoff appearance? After a slew of other games during the regular seasons where it happened? Certainly it should be addressed and should have been long before now. Why I believe it will is simply the position the team now finds itself in. After the showing the last 2 years, I think there will be changes. I think OC will probably be one of those changes as well. Honestly, though I don't advocate it, after today's showing Harbaugh could be in the mix as well. The Browns played their hearts out for their coach - and the Ravens? Didn't even show up.

Or, Brady just has playmakers that, you know, actually make an effort to make plays.

Same issue, for 5 seasons. Please. You are well aware that such a collapse is not a new issue.

I'd agree with that statement - but also add, that the defense's issue has been around for a lot longer. Personally, given our last two years, I agree as well that it is time to clean house as far as coaching. I don't believe that will include Harbaugh and not sure it should - though if it happens I would understand the reasoning.

Yeah and guess what? Those coordinators are no longer here.

If you're going to make the announcement that you're playing to win & play your starters - then you better actually play to win! Pathetic send off for a great one, Ravens. Pathetic. Thanks for everything Smith SR!

Going to miss this man a lot. Shoot - I still miss Mason! All the best Steve! Thanks for going all out!

One game lol That's cute. Well all OCs run a system, and they all have their own ways they do things as well. All OCs are not equal even if they run the same system, and that's because they all tweak it their way. That's what I meant. The lackluster offense has been a season long thing - and the failure to finish defense has been a 5 season thing. Like I said, I get the Marty firing, but not over a Pees firing given how we lost that game. Not to mention a chance to advance in 2014 giving up 2 14 pt leads. Not to mention a slew of other games throughout his tenure. I'm for that as well.

If we keep them, then I don't see us doing anything different than the also rans we've been. Rumors say Kubes is resigning from the HC position in Denver. Done with football or just doesn't want to be a HC?

I think ideas for something new were requested and nothing was put forth.

I'm not against Marty being fired but you have to admit that firing the OC when the defense collapsed and gave up 21 pts in the 4th is really out there. Especially when the OC didn't even get to implement his own offense. I think we are just making changes to make them & not making the right one.

They had a 2 score lead going into the 4th quarter & then after the defense pissed that away the offense gave them a 3 pt lead yet again. The defense couldn't even manage to hold them to 3 for the tie - noooo - they gave up 7 for the win. How many punts did the defense manage in the 4th? That's right, zero. The defense gave up 21 pts in the 4th quarter. Sorry - this loss is squarely on the defense.

It is about more than just who drops and who doesn't. It is about lining up presenting one coverage, and then dropping into another. Showing Cover 3, right at pre-snap shifting to Cover 2 (just an example). I think Harbs is safe this year. I'm not on the wagon for firing him but I'd see the reasoning behind it. But who would you replace him with?

I praised the disguised coverages - which is one of my complaints with Pees. Even when he brings different looks - they are decades old looks that any half decent QB will see and immediately adjust. Perhaps that is why those top 5 offenses tore us up. No creativity. I do admit to hating 3 man rushes as a rule though. I think it is some PTSD from Mattison. The truth is I have become resigned to Pees. It is apparent with Harbs lack of patience and complete willingness to fire OCs at the drop of a hat - Pees has some dirt on him or something lol However, I also recognize that with Pees brand of defense, one had best be bulking up the offense if there is to be any success.

Again, stop sideswiping with your garbage. Be a man. Sure offenses make plays. But you can't spend all season arguing with those who make the claim the defense is not really that improved it is the caliber of offenses we've played - and then turn around and say they aren't expected to perform against top offenses. Today it is the top corner, other seasons it was other players - it is always some excuse. To say it is all Pees is incorrect. To say it is not Pees at all is also incorrect. Especially when this one season is not an anomaly. It is the norm since he came here. If the defense held the Steelers scoreless the entire 2nd half - but the offense failed to score with say, Smith Sr out - or Wallace - those who defend Pees would be calling for the OC's head. Shoot Marty hasn't had a full season and the thread for who our new OC will be has been there for weeks now. lol The hypocrisy is absurd.

No logic escapes YOU. Your excuse is "Jimmy was out". Except that wasn't true for all the collapses and shouldn't affect just the end of the game anyway. So then it was "but those were top 5 offenses". So you moved to another excuse, like the defense is not required to perform if the opposing offense is any good. Your count for games we gave up 4th quarter leads was incorrect. Even without the Patriot game. You are here arguing that they don't collapse. And then, when Pees comes out and says their problem is not finishing games - you agree. I mean do you not see your own run around? Yes, yes I know. Five seasons, a myriad of different players and the same issue is not Pees' fault. The only common denominator for those five seasons is not to blame one iota for the defense's continual inability to finish games.

It matters little as Pees just came out and said the defenses problem is finishing games! lmbo Of course, in true Pees fashion, he threw every player on defense under the bus and said it was their fault.