ravensdfan

I don't hate him at all. Just calling it like it is. I WANT him to do well & win. He looks terrified when they show him.

play calling has been questionable, and the line broke at times, but you can see it in Ryan's eyes. He is choking.

Matt Ryan doing his usual post season choke.

Honestly, I'm not right now. We made no major moves in coaching to fix our issues. I had been excited about Orr to be truthful, so that's gone. We're already going down the same failed offensive plan with adding some old FA WR with one or two seasons left. We simply have a lot of needs that I don't see being met with acceptable talent to actually propel us into the fray again. Just my opinion, and trust me I will be estatic to be proven wrong if that happens.

I tend to agree with you for next season at least - but still, just him even saying he's thinking about it made me go "whoa"

What really floors me about posts such as this is 2 things: 1. We didn't lose because of Flacco. He came through in clutch time. The defense collapsed and gave up 21 pts in the 4th quarter. And 2. please, spare me with these "weapons". If you watch any football outside of the Ravens and especially post season, you have to note our receiving corps, and our RBs, are not even in the same universe as the talent these other QBs have around them.

But wait a minute here now - when we complain about taking defense every draft, when we complained about taking the exact same defensive positions 2 years running, we're told - it's not NEED , it's BPA. So which is it? No I didn't and development was also one of the possible problems I stated. I mean, it's just our players are so very not in the same league as these guys it's insane which makes me question how much of it is development. It honestly feels like a scouting issue. Then a hording picks issue when there is "that" guy available that would also fill a need and we just refuse to move up.

Bell was a 2nd rd pick so someone we passed on in that dreadful 2013 draft of ours. Know who we took instead? Elam. I mean, supposedly it's BPA and all that right? That says something. Yes Elliot was gone before our pick so there is that I suppose. But they aren't the only examples nor is WR the only position. We aren't hitting in the draft. Sure you can't call them failures - I get Stanley & Moseley are successful - but I was speaking impact players. Where are they since 2008? And what is the "big solution" already stated? Oh yeah yet another veteran WR on his last legs. Imagine if we gave up trying to just plug a hole so the ship doesn't sink and got a Smith SR or Boldin in his prime. Nope let's just keep on bailing out the water. It isn't something I am saying we should do every draft but when there is a Dupree, Shazier, Bell, Elliott, Julio to be had - perhaps we stop hording useless picks and trade up. Just saying.

Exactly! We do not pick these guys. We do not draft them. Sure, as stated, some are just not on the board come our turn, but many are and we pass them by. We simply do not match up on any level. Even RB. Don't get me wrong, I like our RB duo, but they are not on the same planet as Elliot or Bell. Something is broken and it needs addressed. And we can't address it as long as the FO is in denial of the problem. Another veteran WR - bah! Spare me.

As I watched the playoffs so far one thing became quite evident - for all the talk about hitting receivers in stride, these guys on these top tier teams don't do that either. The difference? Their receiving targets jump, turn, run comeback routes, tip toe at sidelines, fight for the ball. We don't draft impact players period. We just don't. Now, is that a scouting issue, an Ozzie issue, a develpment issue? I don't know but it is definitely a major issue. Our guys on offense are not just sub par talent to the weapons afforded these playoff QBs, they are not even within the same universe. This is a big, big issue and until we've found the problem and fixed it, not sure we see the big game again. I do understand that some of that lack of impact players are a result of draft pick position - but a lot of these guys were available when we picked, and we passed them by. Which makes me lean more towards scouting and Ozzie issue. Sorry, love Ozzie as much as the next guy, but perhaps his method has become obsolete.

Yeah the time for Pees to be gone was now - not later. Now with Frazier gone there is no longer anything to counter Pees' vanilla D. Nor is there any viable in-house replacement when things go south next season. Great job FO. Great job.

Yes it lacks creativity - on both sides of the ball IMO - and that falls on the schemers. How is it changing when the ones responsible for those schemes isn't changing? Honestly, some of those it seemed would come available, did not become available it turned out. I'm not in the bring back Rex crowd - his brand of defense requires things we simply don't have right now, and the NFL has pretty much made it obsolete with its mamby pamby rules. I would have liked to see us promote Frazier and see where the path led.

I hope it is the former as well. Despite the fact I disagree with some decisions he makes during games, challenges and the like, I think he is a pretty darn good HC. The entire thing though smacks of stubborness rather than good decision making to me in his case. Which is partly why I hate the decision to stand pat. I would hate to see him punch his ticket out the door at the end of next season.

Don't follow college ball to be honest, but did Alabama do it habitually? And really has nothing to do with this conversation. That would be on their defensive coordinator/coaches. Yes the 2 14 pt leads were in a playoff game. The 21 pt 4th was not. When the defense forced the offense to win the game 3 times over against Minnesota was not. When the defense all but allowed Dallas to steal a win (thank God their kicker isn't Tucker) was not. Oakland was not. A few late Bengal losses were not.That is just off the top of my head and does cover the entire body of work over 5 seasons. I did do the math prior to this season and it was absurd the number of times the defense gave up 4th quarter leads, not all of them losses, which is important because it is only the losses that everyone remembers. I think Flacco needs to improve during the regular season, but I'd like to see us give him the tools to do so as well. However, if getting January Joe during the regular season means we can't win a playoff game (Bengals come to mind) I don't know how I feel about that lol

I think that's a valid criticism, but, I'd like to see some of those other QBs without their top notch receivers. Something we've always lacked here. And, as in 2014 when Flacco DID perform, what good does it do if the defense is going to fold by giving up 2 14 pt leads? Or 21 pts in the 4th? I think it is good we're putting some focus on building around Flacco - I'm all for it - but why are we ignoring the obvious problem of a defense that breaks more often than it bends?

I have no problem with him however, the perception that most fans were looking for Harbs, Ozzie or Flacco to be fired is false. What he did NOT address was keeping the likes of Pees & Marty here (though an argument can be made in Marty's case) after that debacle. I like how they talk about expecting more from Flacco (a valid criticism) but ignore the fact that Flacco got the job done in crunch time in Pitt while the defense folded, again, just like they folded in NE giving up 2 14 pt leads. So Flacco performs like he did in 2014 - what good does that do with a Pees' led defense that breaks more often than it bends? Address THAT issue.

We are interviewing QB coaches - so that says to me they understand that Flacco regressed. Personally, I think it was more a mental issue after the injury, or perhaps wearing a leg brace for the entire season. As for the 4th quarter blown leads that have plagued us since Pees' arrival - much like the Pees' defenders on this forum - it appears that Harbs is in denial in that area. Well I mean, Pees has been here 5 seasons and still has that same stick his head in the sand & hope for the best 4th quarter D. I think that is pushing loyalty and heading into stubborness and stupidity. Either way, Harbs could well have punched his ticket out of town after next season since he said it was HIS decision.

Well true in most cases but Harbs has come out and owned the decision to keep his coordinators. Which means he could well have just punched his ticket out the door at the end of next season. Time will tell.

Agreed which is why I am pointing out there could be issues there beyond the WR issue. But is it scouting or development? A situation the offense shouldn't be in if the defense doesn't squander 2 14 pt leads right? I mean, you are one who argues the defense can't be expected to hold after an offensive TO so then you can't hold the offense to a different standard when they are put behind the 8 ball because of the defense right? The same thing happens offensively though too. RUN THE BALL! RUN THE BALL! Then we do and we wind up in 3rd and long situations because we only gain 2 yds. Truly I don't think either unit performed so I'm not arguing that point. Merely pointing out that one has had 5 years of consistency at coordinator - and one has not. And the consistent one has the same issues. Every year I get the same arguments from the same people - oh Pees just needs this or that position addressed - we address it and here we sit again with a defense that collapses in the 4th. So to me, we need to focus on offense because a high powered offense is the only remedy to a Pees' led 4th quarter D.

So your argument then is that Ozzie & company have sucked it up then. Because it is either one or the other. Our scouting department and our GM(s) have been garbage or our defensive coaches don't know how to develop talent. I mean, let's be honest. The defense has seen stability and the bulk of the top draft picks since 2013. Yet, they have the same issues. The offense, on the other hand, has had no stability and seen only this last draft of top picks. Which is why it isn't fair to put the blame at the feet of the offense for not performing & flat out ignore the defense's failings. Offense puts up 30 pts - defense gives up 33pts - it's the offenses fault we lost because they had the ball the last minute and didn't score Offense craps the bed the first half but takes the lead the 2nd half. defense pisses away a 4th quarter lead. It's the offenses fault for only showing up for one half. offense goes into halftime or 4th with a 2 score lead. defense pisses it away not forcing one punt the entire 2nd half. It's the offense fault for not scoring more TDs. It's really quite absurd. The offense with all its turnover and turmoil is expected to perform an entire game ALL the time AND always score but the defense is allowed to take the entire 4th quarter off (sometimes the half & even the game. I recall a Pitt game where they forced not one single punt that everyone blamed on the offense) and it's a-okay and Pees is awesome. I figure either a few coordinators change up their game or get fired sometime during the season. Otherwise, Harbs is probably out of a job. Again, standing pat and expecting different results is truly the definition of insanity.

Five seasons of excuses for Pees lol This isn't a new thing - it has been here as long as he has. Including that SB we won. Where we were up 28-6 and nearly lost.

I don't disagree that we need a pass rusher & CB, I just have an issue throwing draft picks at a Pees' led defense that has shown it cannot close out games consistently for five seasons. The OL needs love if we want the offense to be successful and I would agree on WR except that quite honestly we just don't seem to be able to scout WRs properly at all. I hate the bring in old on their last legs FAs to "build" the offense and then people claim we gave the offense the love & expect them to perform. The defense got 95% of the top draft picks the last 5 years and still has the same issues as before. So why don't you expect them to get the job done? I have said this forever and a day, if Pees is staying, the offense needs to be a high powered offense. That is not going to happen plugging holes with old FAs. So if we get our CB and our pass rusher, then when the defense collapes yet again next season, there is no excuse right? Because seriously, it is just some new excuse for Pees every season.

One of those years, Joe was out due to injury. But I'll play - two years since that SB the defense collapses and cost us a playoff appearance or a chance to advance. Blew 2 14 pt leads in NE and then this season gave up 21 pts in the 4th. But yeah, it's all the offense lol But that is pretty much my point. Better give the offense the love because nothing but a high powered offense will save the defense from itself. As for the "help" for the offense - oh my! one year we went offense for our 1st 2 picks! the horror! lol We have given the defense all the love for Pees time here and all we get are the same old, same old.