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I think Perriman will change that. His acceleration is insane, which should allow him to beat the first man, and with the size and athleticism of our Tackles, Guards, TE and other WRs it should be fairly routine to get blockers into the second level. With that formula, the WR screen should become a powerful weapon for us. Especially to jumpstart our offense if we begin to stall.

Totally and I don't think it's a stretch at all.

Just an all around pathetic showing. He knew it, and it broke him.

I will be happy if Perriman has a Deandre Hopkins type rookie season. Ease in and then come on as the legit #2 by mid season.

I really hope we don't keep 7 WR under any circumstances. This franchise has to get over the hump with young receiver talent and part of that is knowing when to cut bait. No more David Reeds, Deonte Thompsons, Etc etc '.

Yea to me it was less lack of concentration and more just putting too much pressure on himself at first, and then losing his confidence when he wasn't able to overcome it. Some of those drops last year were just painful to watch.

Marlon has a lot to prove and an incredibly fierce competition for PT ahead of him. Should be interesting.

Yea...tells me we need to worry less about Suggs being underrated in the media and more about him being underrated in our own fanbase lol.

Yea I think it could be a gift or a curse for Suggs. While he's been playing, surely he's been overlooked because he's "only" a "very good" pass rusher, but an outstanding run defender. However, if this is true how did he win DPOY with 14 sacks when JPP has 16.5 and Allen had a whopping 22? I think they saw one guy with a couple a tools (Allen) and another with a complete set (Suggs) and went with the better football player. To me, that was the turning point at least in the eyes of the media. I think Sizzle is seen as a complete player and we, as a fanbase, maybe hold onto a little bit of the inferiority complex we had about Sizz before he won that award. Since 2011 though, I think Suggs has been well respected as an absolute monster and a football player's football player. Give it a year and I think we're making friendly...estimates about what ballot he goes in on, not whether or not he makes it.

I could see a RZ package with Waller at TE across from Gilmore lined up against a safety.

Webb tore his ACLs and Jimmy broke his foot because of poor conditioning?!?! What?

Doom has as good of a shot at the HOF as Suggs? Doom needs another monster sack season AND a ring to even be in the discussion. Coming to Baltimore definitely rejuvenated his career, but let's not forget why he was available in the first place. Not many future Hall of Famers are asked to take pay cuts in the middle of their primes. Doom is a one-dimensional player in the perfect situation for his one dimension. He will need a to do a lot more, and outside of the sack category, to be considered HOF eligible.

Yea I mean I'm probably being a little hard on Brown but I had really high hopes for him last season and by midway I just felt let down. More than anything I want a higher caliber of receiver across the board. Hopefully we hit on a couple young guys over the next 2-3 offseasons, starting with Perriman this year, and overhaul our WR corps in the same way we did our OL.

I'm not sure what you mean by "Marlon got put on the back burner." He played 36% of the receiving snaps which was 3rd on the team. With about 35+% fewer snaps (26% to Marlon's 35% of the total) Aiken had one more target than Brown (37 to 36, IIRC) and about 10 more yards. Breaking it down even further: -Aiken and Brown essentially shared the WR3 spot (the idea that Jacoby was gifted the WR3 position is a myth as he played 183 receiving snaps (18%), about half of Brown's and 100 or so less than Aiken. Camp wasn't on the field enough to be considered a true snap drain). Kubiak also ran fairly basic route combinations in his offense, so the WR3 in any given set ran essentially the same routes no matter whom the body was (Brown, Aiken, Campanaro or Jacoby) -It stands to reason, then, that given the exact same types of routes as Brown, with significantly fewer opportunities to run them, Aiken performed essentially exactly the same if not better (Also factor in that he playd 280 ST snaps to Brown's 78) So why did Joe clearly prefer to target Aiken when he was on the field? Why was Aiken the one to sub for Torrey at WR2 when he got a little banged up mid-late season? Why would the Ravens put Brown, with a year of experience and chemistry with Joe, on the back burner and give the chances to Aiken instead? From where I'm sitting, the only answer that resolves all three of those questions is that Marlon did not capitalize on his opportunities when he was on the field. This notion that Joe, Kubes, and Harbs just forgot about the guy because we brought in Steve Smith just doesn't bear scrutiny.

...whoa

I dunno man. You keep bringing up Steve Smith and Jacoby. Let's make a more direct comparison to another player in essentially the exact same position as Brown: Brown 2014: Offensive Snaps(In 16 games)- 375 Yards Receiving- 255 Aiken 2014: Offensive Snaps(In 18 games)- 276 Yards Receiving- 267 Add in the fact that Aiken played 260 special teams snaps to Brown's 78...to me it's crystal clear which player is better. Same offense, same position, same QB, same OC, AND with the benefit of a year of chemistry to his advantage I'm not sure why there's such a strong desire to call Brown's play in 2014 anything but a huge disappointment.

Oh no I understand. My point is not that hockey isn't physically demanding, of course it is and immensely so. My point is that trying to say hockey players play 82 and therefore football players are babies for not wanting to go above 16 operates from a false premise. In reference to that link, I'll give you that hockey players have grit (as do football players, see: Mason, Derrick), but honestly I think that culture is arcane and frankly a little silly. I like a bit of violence as much as the next guy but when you start to border on blood sport and you're being applauded for how few teeth you have...I think you need to reassess your priorities lol. And the "fights?" Just a flat out waste of time. Getting way OT here though...Trestman coached in the Canada though so....that's something lol.

Apples and oranges. Hockey players are on skates, have far more padding on their bodies, and play in controlled environments. The body issue isn't about skill players it's about linemen. You don't have 300 lb men trying to dominate each other on every play in hockey. You would need a second shift of lineman if you added many more games and there aren't enough athletic 300 pounders to round out the starting lines of all 32 teams, so much as a whole second group of them.

Agree. So if SSS, Perriman, and Waller all make it and you only carry 6, you've got a tight completion between 4 guys (I don't consider Carter a serious prospect this season, has PS written all over him unless he runs multiple kicks back in preseason) for 3 spots. I think everyone agrees that Aiken will make a push, so the question becomes who you like best of Butler, Camp, and Brown? If say right now it's Brown > Butler > Campanaro with Brown ahead of Butler by a small margin, but I see Butlers stock rising whereas Marlon's is standing still. Camp's stock is falling but if he's fully healthy when we cut to 53 he makes the team. So assuming Camp is healthy for the sake of argument, it's Brown vs. Butler in a dog fight.

Crockett I can see...but you foresee Brandon Marshall-like play out of Marlon Brown? I really, in my heart of hearts, think you're in for a huge letdown from MB but time will tell.

haha makes you miss the old days on these boards,..

I wonder what conditioner he uses.

man we've had a shocking number of accolades this offseason: -#1 team going into 2015 -#1 home field -Top 3 head coach -Top 5 fan base I thought the Ravens get no respect?

Yea similar to BmoreBird's post I just don't think we can afford to carry 7 Wides. If you're carrying 7 you're giving up either an OLB or a CB and those positions are more important than a 7th receiver. We're probably looking at IR for Waller, Worthy and/or Campanaro or, if all those guys stay healthy, a tough choice between Butler/Campanaro/Brown for which two make it. Worthy I think will be PS or IR. If Waller isn't IR'd I can't see us cutting him unless he shows no talent whatsoever. And if Camp goes to PS he's gone.

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