J.O.14

18 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

If only he would learn how to use his size.

Steve Smith played bigger than he did last year.

That touchdown he technically dropped against the Steelers in the corner of the endzone still haunts me...that would have pretty much been a dagger. You know what they say, big time players make big time plays....he didn't make it.

  50 minutes ago, eze17 said:

  1 hour ago, budkretz said:

Don't understand why we did not trade back in 1st round to get an extra pick in 3rd round. If Humphrey is a starter right off that means J Smith or B Carr are injured. To start the year the DBs are Smith, Carr, Weddle and Jefferson, T Young is nickel and L Webb is dime - this means Humphrey your #1 pick is special teams and he is not a return man. With an extra pick we could get one of the better running backs or second wave of WR to at least bolster what we have on offense. And by picking in the 20s we would have secured one of the 3 bog O-linemen and only have one position to worry about. We'd still be in a position to get Bowser, Wormley and T Williams (at least 2 out of 3) As of today we have 2 spots on o-line we are unsure of. We have 3 WRs that have experience and defenses don't have to focus on Wallace or Perriman and they can be covered man-to-man. Defenses will allow Pitta to catch 200 passes since he only nets about 5 yards and had worst percentage of moving the chains. The other TEs are old, injured, suspended or on IR Dixon is out 4 games . Does West keep DC's up at nights planning their defense against the Ravens? All you need is a vanilla defense on 1st & 2nd downs and on 3rd you blitz past a line with 3 /5 proven players. Unless Ozzie can find a trade to bring in a playmaker our offense is going to struggle. No matter how good the Ravens defense is we will give up 15-20 points a game. Unless Marty M comes up with brilliant game plans I don't see the offense having big numbers. Yes the defense should be much improved and we will stay in most games because of that. But to expect a ball hawking team like we had in 2000 under Pees is probably wishful thinking. I hope I am wrong and I will root until the end , but I can't see a record above 8-8.

Why would we have Webb playing dime CB? I can't fathom how you would consider us not playing Humphery in that position. More than likely, we'll have Canady as a 5th CB, and he was doing a fine job playing ST until he was injured. Humphery will more than likely be given every opportunity to compete for Carr's spot, but likely will be in nickle/dime packages. In any case, if you haven't been watching Raven's games the last few years, we have had so many problems fielding a competitive secondary late in the season, it will be a relief to have capable guys who can come in and play at a high level. Webb may see some time at CB, but my prediction is that would be very limited and only if the injury bug hits us during a game. He's going to be the main back up safety,(and wouldn't be surprised if he does some return work also) not a full time CB.

In my ideal world, we play a lot more dime packages (something we literally played none of last season) and Webb is part of that package, as a coverage guy either at CB or Safety (in Dime I'm not sure it really matters).

Lack of depth/quality player at ILB to me means we should put more secondary players out there, especially on passing downs. Finding a way to get Weddle/Jefferson/Webb on the field at the same time seems like a good idea to me.

I agree with this. Putting Jefferson down in the box allows him to do what he's good at. He can stop the run and can definitely cover TEs and backs out of the backfield. This allows us to get Webb involved, who actually wasn't that bad for us last year....

  1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  1 hour ago, BlueHenToRaven said:

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  2 hours ago, BlueHenToRaven said:

  2 hours ago, Raven1995 said:

  2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  3 hours ago, Raven1995 said:

  3 hours ago, RavensDE said:

Are people really that upset we didn't take a WR?

WR's generally take a year or two to adjust to the pros and are at high risk of not panning out compared to other positions. There was no offensive savior here. We had a great draft by all accounts. People give us B's because they feel we needed offensive talent, but say we got great value at every pick. If we are depending on our fresh out college pass catchers to save us we are not a top flight organization. If we are getting the best players we can out of the draft and patching short term holes in free agency we are setting the best course for long term success.

No, I don't think upset over Receivers, the top 3 were gone by the time the Ravens picked. Also, 3 Quarterbacks were taken and OJ Howard fell to us. A great TE (Sharpe, Heap) and Running Game is also what the Ravens were known for besides a Great Defense.

I mean that's great, but you also have a bunch of young TEs on the roster already, so do we just throw them away?

There's what we WERE known for, and there's what we are NOW known for. They don't have to be the same thing.

We didn't used to be a team that invested heavily in the QB position. Now we are, and so are all the consistent good teams in this league.

Times change. Teams change.

We have a bunch of Tight Ends that were on Injured Reserve last year, Ben Watson 37 in December, Williams and Gilmore. One who is more of a blocking tight end who has been suspended 2 times and one more will be out of the league. Pitta who is one of my favorites but he gets no YAC. Tight End is still very important in the NFL and its not one of the Ravens Strengths as so many people beleive.

If Pitta stays healthy, he is good. He might not get the YAC but he makes contested catches and moves the chains. I like Boyle, he has a chance to be great if he stays out of trouble. I think Williams will end up being a bust and Watson is definitely questionable after an achillies injury, but we shall see. But the one nobody is talking about is Darren Waller. Im pretty high on him. Hes big, hes got decent speed and he can catch. Also if Gillmore stays healthy, he is good too.

I think a combination of Pitta, Gillmore, Waller and Boyle is a good group. Pitta and Waller will be consistent. Gillmore may get hurt and if that trend continues, we may have to cut ties. But I don't see a problem with Pitta, Waller and Boyle (proided he doesn't get suspended)

Moves the chains? He set a new NFL record for the most "failed receptions"... remember that stat? It roughly meant a reception that didn't get close to the 1st down marker.

37 first downs and a first down rate of 43%. 37 first downs by anyone is pretty good. Also remember the passes he caught were more likely than not in a 3rd and long situation with the ball being thrown 5 yards down field.

1. And that's the reason he's catching those passes... because the defense is allowing him to. He's not a threat for YAC, and so they will let him sit down 2-3 years short of the line of gain and catch passes all day long.

If anything, that pads his stats, not helps them. It inflates his reception total while yielding very little value to the offense on that play. I guess you could argue it makes for a shorter punt?

2. I look at it this way... the FO tells you everything you need to know.

Career year for Pitta in receptions and yardage, and he played the whole season.

And then he was asked to take a significant paycut.

I'd like to know how many players you think this happens to.

he averaged almost 4 YAC so youre telling me they just let him sit 2-3 yards under the line to gain? I doubt that. And he was asked to take a pay cut due to injuries, The Ravens do that to most players who suffer 1, let alone 2,career threatening injuries. And they haven't asked him to take a pay cut this year. Weve read articles talking about it, but no actual offer yet... Hes one hit away from his hit popping again, so Id have him take a pay cut too

Pitta did take a pay cut.

  1 hour ago, billiejean said:

  2 hours ago, BlueHenToRaven said:

  2 hours ago, Raven1995 said:

  2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  3 hours ago, Raven1995 said:

  3 hours ago, RavensDE said:

Are people really that upset we didn't take a WR?

WR's generally take a year or two to adjust to the pros and are at high risk of not panning out compared to other positions. There was no offensive savior here. We had a great draft by all accounts. People give us B's because they feel we needed offensive talent, but say we got great value at every pick. If we are depending on our fresh out college pass catchers to save us we are not a top flight organization. If we are getting the best players we can out of the draft and patching short term holes in free agency we are setting the best course for long term success.

No, I don't think upset over Receivers, the top 3 were gone by the time the Ravens picked. Also, 3 Quarterbacks were taken and OJ Howard fell to us. A great TE (Sharpe, Heap) and Running Game is also what the Ravens were known for besides a Great Defense.

I mean that's great, but you also have a bunch of young TEs on the roster already, so do we just throw them away?

There's what we WERE known for, and there's what we are NOW known for. They don't have to be the same thing.

We didn't used to be a team that invested heavily in the QB position. Now we are, and so are all the consistent good teams in this league.

Times change. Teams change.

We have a bunch of Tight Ends that were on Injured Reserve last year, Ben Watson 37 in December, Williams and Gilmore. One who is more of a blocking tight end who has been suspended 2 times and one more will be out of the league. Pitta who is one of my favorites but he gets no YAC. Tight End is still very important in the NFL and its not one of the Ravens Strengths as so many people beleive.

If Pitta stays healthy, he is good. He might not get the YAC but he makes contested catches and moves the chains. I like Boyle, he has a chance to be great if he stays out of trouble. I think Williams will end up being a bust and Watson is definitely questionable after an achillies injury, but we shall see. But the one nobody is talking about is Darren Waller. Im pretty high on him. Hes big, hes got decent speed and he can catch. Also if Gillmore stays healthy, he is good too.

I think a combination of Pitta, Gillmore, Waller and Boyle is a good group. Pitta and Waller will be consistent. Gillmore may get hurt and if that trend continues, we may have to cut ties. But I don't see a problem with Pitta, Waller and Boyle (proided he doesn't get suspended)

Easy on that Blue Hen drank. Boyle has the chance to be great? I think he has a chance to be good and I think he will be a big contributor to this team, but using the term great is a bit over the top. It is extremely unlikely that we would cut Maxx. He would have to have an absolutely terrible camp for the FO to release a second rounder in his 3rd year. Even though he has only played 1 year that one year was much more impressive than Art Browns first 2 and we kept him a third year. You cant just write him off because he was injured last year and your a Delaware fan. I know its hard to think back that far but he showed promise in his rookie season...He actually made some really spectacular catches while working with 3 different QBs. He actually has more receptions than Boyle who has played more games. Not that, that necessarily means anything. I think they will both be on the team and they compliment each other well. Williams is your more athletic pass catching TE and Boyle is more of your blocking TE who I expect to take over a lot of Juices blocking duties. But they are both well rounded guys and should be able to contribute this year.

I meant he will eventually be axed, not immediately. And I see Boyle moving to more of a receiving FB position. And any and all players have a chance to be great....

Why will he eventually be axed? If he builds off his rookie year, Pitta will go before Maxx will. Not to mention he was only a 20 year old rookie I think, so he's only 22 with plenty of room to grow. You don't give up on a player that young that fast who has shown promise.

Nice try Eisenberg. Taken a player(s) with diluted samples for likely weed is not the same as them taken a Joe Mixon like the Bengals. Bonefied stud who could vastly improve our team.

At some point you must stop punishing the fanbase for Rice situation, afterall Rice has turned into a great citizen.

Yeah, but what Mixon did goes beyond football. Have you seen the video? IMO (and it's not acceptable at any point), his video was worse than Rice's. He literally knocked her out and just left. Rice was a good citizen before that, Mixon hasn't done anything to show he is a good person. After what Rice did and what the organization went through, could you imagine what it would have been like if the Baltimore Ravens drafted him? A nightmare.

If you don't remember correctly, did you watch the playoff game against the Steelers two years ago? Burfict and Adam Jones cost the Bengals the game...the players with red flags. Surprising? Absolutely not. You get what you pay for.

I'm not sure how this will sit with many of you or what your opinions are, but what about Michael Floyd? I know he has been in some trouble, and is currently in jail I believe, but he will be out before the season. He definitely has the talent, size, but obviously there are concerns. He hasn't been as productive as he was expected, but if he gets it together and focuses on just football, he could be great again. We could use a WR like that...but he would definitely have to get his life together first and prove hes reliable. He is also only 27 years old...

The blame for the past few years is simple........bad drafts, bad contracts. Since 2010 we lost most of our all-pro players to age. During that time we've had very poor drafts and we've also given out some very bad high dollar contracts that tied up tons of money (Monroe, J Smith, Webb, Ngata, Flacco). So all it's gonna take are some good drafts in general (offense or defense) and to cut loose some of these salaries (we've already begun that process).

I don't think J. Smith, Ngata, or Flacco's contracts are bad. That was the market for those players at the time. Ngata essentially lived up to his contract except the last year, which is impressive to get that out of a player these days...they hardly make it through most of their contract anymore. In hindsight we can say Webb was a bad contract because of injuries. When we paid Webb, he just came off a fantastic year and was looking like a great corner. I think he had 5 picks, 2 more in the playoffs and didn't allow a touchdown all year. Monroe was obviously a bad contract.

Our drafts haven't been great, and honestly I like what we did in this draft. It's not a sexy draft, but we made some very good picks.

Looking at 2 different mocks for rnds 2-3

Ravens selections for both
Rnd 2, Curtis Samuel WR/RB
Rnd 3, Taylor Moton
Rnd 3, Samaje Perine RB

Next mock
Rnd 2, Smith Schuster Wr
Rnd 3,Bashem - Pass Rusher
Rnd 3, Ryan Anderson Olbr/de


I hope for a combination of these picks...
Rnd 2 Zay Jones, Smith Schuster
Rnd 3, Moton
Rnd 3, Tim Williams, Rivers, Bashem etc

Smith Schuster, Bashem and Ryan Anderson would be a good draft.

This fan base is crazy. I was surprised as well, but CB is a position you ALWAYS need. Adding Brandon Carr isn't really an upgrade to me. Hes a solid player, a stop gap, but doesn't make our secondary great. Adding Humphrey is a good pick. We complained about our secondary for years and now it looks great and we aren't happy? He might be our 4th CB THIS YEAR, but he definitely has potential to be a very good and possible shut down guy for us in the upcoming years.
We have 5 rounds to go and plenty of talent left. We can add a good pass rusher, WR, OL and whatever else we need in the rounds remaining. Stay calm. This was a good pick.

Humphrey was the lowest rated non-QB taken on day one. Clearly Ozzie had him rated a lot differently than everyone else. I hope for the sake of the Ravens it works out but it's hard to see how this was a good move given all the talent they passed on.

Where did you see this? He was the number 2 rated corner in this draft by many pundits. He was also considered one of the better corners in a very talented draft class of CBs. It's not like this guy is a bum. He was going to be picked in the first round.

Im gonna say this... If  browns have a great draft this year we are in trouble. Imagine if they go all all defense in first 2 rounds( which is what i would do)  or 3 defensive players and maybe fournttte if he drops to 12. That could potentially put them a QB away from competing.

I actually agree with you. I thought Hue Jackson got the wrong end of the stick in Oakland. He's a damn good coach and has took all the right steps in building a good football team. They are getting rid of the mistakes the previous staff made and are building a team from the trenches outward. That is how you create a competitive football team. If they have a good draft, they will be dangerous within the next year or two. I'm not convinced they go QB in the first round, unless they trade back in late. I think Myles Garrett is the first selection without a doubt. Pick 12 is where it could get interesting....

They very well could go Myles Garrett then pick Rueben Foster if he is there....or a QB.....or a CB. I'm interested to watch that's for sure. If Fournette keeps falling...they could trade up for him to and become a ground and pound team with the line they have created.

A part of me hopes Rueben Foster is on the board at 16. I would love for him to be apart of our defense. But, I'd also like to see us have a shot at Mike Williams or Corey Davis. I also wouldn't mind a pass rusher. I wouldn't be happy with an OL, because of the reported weakness of the class, but if we do select one I guess I will be okay. The FO is doing a ton of homework and if they feel comfortable, I'll be comfortable.

  On ‎4‎/‎22‎/‎2017 at 7:51 PM, RavensDieHard21 said:

Foster at 16 would be a steal. He is the epitome of what being a Raven is all about. We don't have any enforcers currently and he would put some teeth back in our defense. 

The question is "Will he be on the field?" Already in Stage 1 of the the NFL drug policy (1 more failed test = 4-6 game suspension).

Numerous off-field issues (nightclub killings, hospital incident at combine, diluted drug test, etc), immaturity, bad study habits and injury questions may push him down most teams board. If a guy can't wait 2 hours in line at the hospital, what makes you think he's willing to spend countless hours in the film room in order to live up to that talent? Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior.

Extremely talented but so was Rolando McClain.

I agree with this. I know Ozzie and company will do plenty of research on the kid. If he is available at 16 and we don't draft him, he must come with to many red flags. If he is there, I think we will pull the trigger on him. Extremely talented and would be an absolute force on our defense beside CJ. He would bring a lot of nastiness to our defense. Tony, CJ, Weddle, B Will, Suggs, Foster....my goodness.

Rolando McClain was extremely talented, you're correct. I think the difference would be the desire to play the game. Does Foster love football enough to put it ahead of the off the field crap? I think Ozzie will find out. McClain didn't love the game enough and he was also drafted into an environment that wasn't good for his own success.

12 hours ago, usmccharles said:

5 year 33million even adjusted with inflation, i highly doubt that would net us a comp pick.  Although, im curious what that would be though. 

 

I believe Birk was 32 when we signed him....i think it worked out

Birk was an iron man. He was 32 and never missed a game. Mangold hasn't been healthy in two years.

  2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

  2 hours ago, BiggMack91 said:

hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

So you would rather have TJ for one more year then let him leave and get nothing? got it. 25 spots in a draft is a lot....

25 spots in a draft is a lot depending on where it happens. If we moved up 25 spots in the 7th round... not such a big deal.... that guy probably will still not make the team.

If we move up 25 spots in the 1st round.... that is giant. (even the 2nd) but the further back you get the less it mean.

with that said. We gave up a starter, a third round pick and a future third or fourth round pick to move up 25 spots in the middle of the draft. I feel like that was a lot for what we gained

If we moved up 25 spots and got a 4th rounder to cover the future comp pick.... I get it.

If we moved up 25 spots and even got a future 5th rounder now for a potential 3rd of 4th then...okay..

but to move up now... lose a player and a future player.... I don't feel like it was enough (and a 3rd or 4th rounder -should be a future player)

We are losing a player at a position that we can replace. We have depth there and I don't know why everyone is thinking Jernigan was a superstar. He had his moments, but also completely disappeared from games and made boneheaded mistakes. Yeah we won't get a comp pick next year, that would range anywhere from the 3rd (doubtful) to the 4th or 5th, but we are moving up and gaining another pick inside the first 78 selections in a very talented draft class. 4 picks in the first 78? Yes please. We have guys that can replace Jernigan and we have needs at other places that can be filled by extremely talented rookies in this class.

Could this backfire? Absolutely. But I like the chances of getting another quality player at a position that will be here for the next 4 or 5 years, instead of a player that will be here one more year and is replaceable. Moving up 25 spots in the 3rd round in this draft is a good move in my opinion. Especially since we have 2 picks within 4 selections of each other.

Rueben Foster, Mike Williams, John Ross, or a pass rusher would make me pleased with our first round. We can find a quality WR/CB in the 2nd or 3rd. I think we will draft an OL in the mid-late rounds. We can find quality starting OL after day one.

  1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  2 hours ago, david thomas said:

E David Thomas
agree with Aiken, he deserved more reps or at the very least constructive feedback on what needed improvement to get more play time. my sense is, my beloved Ravens just don['t have a good Reciever Game strategy/route trees/creative plays to take advantage of skills of WR's - they are to predictable and limited to keying on 1 or 2 WR's for any play (lacks flexibility) and simple progression reads that either go to #1 or #2 or very quickly to the dump-off outlet - come on guys, let's get it together for 2017.

I'm pretty sure he identified already that the Ravens were identifying things that he didn't do well or needed to work on. Seemed he just simply disagreed.

The problem with Aiken is that I don't see a particular set of skills that he brings to the table that differentiates himself from his peers, and I think the league knows that.

Aiken's skill set was being sure handed on 3rd down and moving the chains, which he did when he played.
His peers: Perriman- deep threat with no hands
Wallace- deep threat who occasionally had no hands
Ironically, his best shot for playing time would've come with this years Ravens since, with the departure of SSS, he would have had the surest hands on the team aside from getting one of the top 3 WR in the draft.

Aiken isn't better than Wallace or Perriman, and definitely wasn't better than SSS. I'm not sure that he is better than Campanaro if Camp can stay healthy.

Here's what I remember from Aiken: He missed a great opportunity on a seam route against Pittsburgh (might have dropped it if I'm not mistaken) and I think it was the Raiders game where he dropped a 4th and 10 that Flacco put right in his chest. It was a difficult catch, but he was dropping that before he got hit. As people pointed out, he had a higher drop percentage than any of our WRs. If you want to play, stand out. He hasn't stood out.

If he was so good, he would have gotten more than a 1 year prove it deal again. Could he have played this year? Yeah maybe. But we are also trying to improve, not continue to go 8-8.

On ‎3‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 0:54 AM, riseNConquer81 said:

no its not.
he was picked in the 6th round.
His career is now 17 years old and includes 5 superbowl wins.
that's the definition of overachieving. You dont go to the 6th round to pick a 17 year starter to win 5 trophies with.
Do you people even english?

and yes i have watched Gronk and Moss beat up DBs and linebackers in mid air to snatch Tom Brady's wobbly and woefully underthrown "deep balls" and turn those disasters into positive yardage and/or points. 
Clearly you havent noticed Brady all but stopped throwing deep balls after Moss left.
2007 and 2009, Brady throws 60+ deep balls both seasons.
2010, Brady's deep ball count drops to 30 and change, lol.
not coincidence. 

[blah blah blah blah, same cliche nonsense arguments about things the Patriots achieved that im tired of responding to]
He gets the ball out quick because his receivers are the ones doing all the work anyway, that's how the offense is designed.
You complain about Joe Flacco not getting the ball out fast because if Joe Flacco dumps the ball behind the line of scrimmage 6 times like Brady does, we just punt out of our own endzone...because we dont have receivers that do what Brady's do.
If you mean to argue that Brady is such a great INDIVIDUAL player, it might help if your arguments aren't entirely founded on TEAM stats.
*skips to the last paragraph*

There is no all time great that doesnt have a good supporting cast around him which is the foundation of my point. thats why i laugh when people like you come around talking about how Tom Brady has no talent on his team and he single handedly makes all the other players good.
lmao you're hilarious. You're talking in so many circle, you're sitting here asking me rhetorical questions that literally destroy your own arguments. cool story bro, good job champ.

You're so opinionated you're ridiculous. Of course all QBs have great supporting casts, but if you say Brady isn't an all time great because of his supporting cast then you are saying there isn't a great QB. I enjoy how you attack people on this site when you know nothing about their football knowledge and try to make your opinions sound like facts. You have done or said anything to make me change my stance on the fact that I know and that is Brady is a great QB. If you want to look at individual stats, do it. Go look at how good Brady is every season. Also, if his weapons are so great, do  you think Gronk would be who he is if he played for anyone else? Maybe a select few QBs could help Gronk produce the way he does. What about Edelman or Amendola? Heck even Hogan. I guess by your standards, Montana, Steve Young, Manning, etc aren't all time greats because of their supporting cast....

16 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

 

I'm not knocking him, but don't say it's not about the money when less that a minute ago you talked about money not being a reason you stayed somewhere.  

I understand what you're saying. He also knows his worth and was meaning that it didn't come down to money if the offers he had were worth his value. He earned $6 million more than the cards initially offered him....so yeah, they low balled him.

  14 minutes ago, J.O.14 said:

Yeah that's the tough decision, we have some holes we need to fill, especially offensively. But if we go best player available, he may be that guy.

Yeah and that's why l why l want them to get Zach Brown so we wouldn't have to use the first pick on a LB. We could use that first round pick on Wr/Passrusher like a Mike Williams or a Derek Barnett. 👍

Yeah I understand. We just need to keep improving, regardless of how its done.

Interesting to know: We signed Carr for more than the Jets signed Claiborne. Claiborne got a 1 year $5 million deal from Jets....I thought we were offering that? Maybe we wanted Carr more.

11 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

Foster is a great pick but we probably have to use a 1st round pick for him. Zack Brown is a guy that we could fill the void right now. But either way, it's fine. 👍

Yeah that's the tough decision, we have some holes we need to fill, especially offensively. But if we go best player available, he may be that guy.

What's funny about that interview is right before that comment he said he rejected an offer from the Cards because he felt they low balled him.

They did low ball him for the way he has played. They offered him a 3 year 12 million dollar deal. Then I think they offered him 4 years 24 was the most they would go. The 3 year 12 million feels kind of like a low ball when you're the type of player he is.

  56 minutes ago, LeBron said:

If we some how could get Zach brown i hear everyone is talking about and mangold we would be set. I hope and pray in the draft we take Rusher first CB 2nd. but seriously guys if mike williams is there it could change our fortune for years to come. Just to think about it.

If Mike Williams is there l'll take him but it's a long shot. I like Derek Barnett as well. Everyone is agreeing about Zack Brown. I hope Ozzie is giving him a call. Having Zach Brown along with Jefferson and the D-line is a dangerous defense. 3 years 20M will be probably enough to get him. 

I hear everyone talking about this Zach Brown guy. Yeah that would be great and all, but he's gonna be pretty expensive I'm sure (even though ILBs aren't highly paid). It wouldn't surprise me if he will get 5-6 million a year if not a little more. He has also had only one year of production really.

I'm all for drafting Foster. We would get him on his rookie deal and we could sign CJ long term. Foster and CJ together in the middle of our defense with what is in front and behind them would be ferocious. Foster can do it all, and delivers the boom when he hits people. I don't know if I have ever seen a LB coming out of college deliver hits the way he does. He can cover, attacks the LOS, and plays fast. Foster is the only player I would want that doesn't play OL, WR, pass rusher, or CB.

5 hours ago, riseNConquer81 said:

it wasn't absurd at all.
What's absurd is you casual fans continually giving Brady credit for Branch, Gronkowksi, Bennett, Edelman, Vereen, Hernandez, Moss, Welker, Lewis, Lloyd, etc's work and pretending they have no talent.

Brady hardly ever works with a non great receiver...your definition of "great" is something ridiculous, rare combination of traits that hardly anybody ever has.

There are plenty of QBs that dont rely on after catch yardage as their sole means of production. Take your Brady blinders off and look around the league. Go ahead and show me ONE game where Joe Flacco threw 23 passes for 5 yards or less, including 6 behind the line of scrimmage, and left the game with 466 yards and 2 TDs. I will wait sir. 

i respect tom brady just fine. big difference between me and you is you respect him as some mythical football god that he's never been, and i respect him for what he actually is: an over-achieving 6th rounder in a great system, surrounded by lots of talent who knows all he has to do is protect the ball and let his teammates be great to get the W.
 
It's good that you're asking questions though, that's exactly how you learn better than the delusional fiction you're arguing right now. applause for that.

To say he over-achieved is insane. Systems are built for the QB, and Brady excels in the system he is in, by being the best QB in football. You also say that he can't throw the ball down the field, are you serious? Why do you think Gronk is so effective? Did you watch the deep balls he threw to Moss, the seam routes he hit Welker, Edelman, and Hogan on. I hate playing the Patriots because I know there is a great chance we are going to lose, and its not because of the playmakers they supposedly have, its because of Brady.

He makes WRs better, it's not like they make Tom Brady. You're still denying what he does as a QB and I guess you didn't look at the facts correctly....His career record is also 183-52. His PLAYOFF record is 25-9. Overall, 208-61. 5-2 in SBs. Haven't they been to 6 straight AFC championship games? Heck it might be 7. That isn't delusional fiction...that just proves he wins. If he continues to stay healthy, he will surpass every record in the book. He should have been the MVP of the league this past season. I guess all those wins were from those "playmakers" or amazing WRs that he has had. Ohh, here comes the argument about "well if he wasn't in the system he is in blah blah blah." Yeah he protects the ball, like great QBs. He gets the ball out quick, because its an effective game plan. How many times have we heard, "Flacco needs to get the ball out quicker!", He doesn't make bad decisions, he adjust his blitz pickups and finds mismatches. He also wins, which if I'm not mistaken, is pretty important in regards to how great you are...

Since you're so knowledgeable or think you are, you define what a great QB is and show me an all time great that didn't have a good supporting cast surrounding them? I will wait sir. Because everything you said didn't diminish what Tom Brady is, and that is one of the greatest of all time, if not the greatest.