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  18 hours ago, RavenManiac#7 said:

  21 hours ago, balfan23 said:

  21 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

Bob Rogucki was over due.... no surprise there.

Washington took the fall for Castillo- SMH

I hope these cursory moves are not a smoke screen to look like changes were made.

I hope Dean Pees follows. I really think Castillo should be on the blocks.... this wasn't exactly sweeping changes that is going to change the culture in the organization and get us back to winning

Hope this is just the start of a signicant house cleaning.

That's not going to happen. From a previous article: 

"Harbaugh said he’s excited to move forward with all three coordinators, including Defensive Coordinator Dean Pees and Special Teams Coordinator Jerry Rosburg."

We are all excited as well ... 

I'm not excited. I'm very disappointed to learn that it appears Harbaugh will be retained. I'm even more disappointed that he's keeping our OC and DC too. I was so hoping that Mr. Bisciotti would move on from Harbaugh or, at the very least, if he just refused to fire him, put him on notice that the only way he could stay would be to replace Both coordinators and, also, show tangible improvement with the team next year. I was hoping for, at least, that. Harbaugh has succeeded in taking a lot of the fun out of watching the Ravens these past few years. I love my team, so I'm sticking with it through thick or thin. But, my goodness, does Harbaugh ever make it painful to watch.

Whats more fun than a 28-27 game? you want Raven blow outs-

I get it that at some point for some NFL teams, totally gutting an organization needs to be done. I do not see that for the Ravens for 2017. You make a point but then contradict it by an ultimatum which makes no sense. If you want to give a coach a timeline to "shape up or ship out" you don't tell him who he can use to do it. That is the point of why you tell him -its his job. Furthermore, its not Harbs fault that the OC's have left, if anyone as far as the final decision It is Bisciotti's he is the owner. He makes the deals and decides who stays and who doesn't as far as the front office and major releases such as Kubiak. The Ravens are an organization that promotes growth for their staff. It can work both ways. Some teams like the Patriots..not so much. Its just the nature of the Ravens way.
As far as Harbs leaving, I think it will be a mutual thing. I expect that the Ravens will have a winning record next year or Harbs will not be feeling too good about his performance himself. But to rip out what staff has taken hold over this year, I think would be a mistake. Obviously so do Harbs and Bisciotti, and they are who count.
As they see on the grid iron, "we will see". Go Ravens!

PS I like the idea of moving some assistant coaches around.

Also after visiting a few of the practices this year I might make comments;
-a little less of the broken particle/regiment practices
-and increase practice the following;
suggestions; more Full team- work the line schemes- Defensive drop zone coverage- multi schemes from the same formation both sides of the ball- audible- play action - audible - play action, did I mention - audible - play action
also cut out some more of the goofing off- this team was too nonchalant at camp to be 8-8!-

Thank you! After watching the Ravens training camp practices, I came away thinking there is nothing hard about these practices. This past summer, I questioned why the offense didn't even attempt passes of 20 yards or more during practice. It was all dink and dunk check down passes. And that carried over from the summer training camp to the regular season games.

  12 hours ago, Zeus said:

Ozzy needs to do a better job! Last seasons draft Harbs rambled on about getting a difference maker a impact player. Where is he?

Honestly, these guys would not use them. SSS last game and he throws to Pitta?

Bingo! Somebody give that man a prize. Pitta coming back was the worst thing ever.

  30 minutes ago, Molson Man said:

  2 hours ago, Swift 1 said:

  2 hours ago, Que3pi said:

who cares about throwing for 4000 yards when you can't hit wide open receivers or get the ball down the field. that's like saying a RB rushed for a 1000 yards but averaged 2.0 yards a carry. I would like someone to list Flacco's strengths, because putting in extra work sure isn't one of them

I have to get anew TV. I did not see a wide open receiver in 16 games.

You need glasses sir, a lot of open receivers but Flacco became the king of the check down. Most of the time he was one read then check down, by the end of the season Smith Sr. And Wallace were being just lazy on routes knowing Flacco wouldn't even look at them. That doesn't happen unless you leave people wide open a lot.

The West Coast offense is predicated on timing routes and anticipatory throws - throwing a receiver open or releasing the ball before he makes his break. Joe has shown very little ability to do either. He relies on his arm strength to drill the ball in to a clearly wide open guy (which doesn't last long), and try to err on the safe side by hitting the guy low or outright overthrowing him.

Kubiak's offense was a good fit because the commitment to the running game enabled a consistent play action passing that resulted in more clearly wide open receivers as defenders had to always keep an eye on the backfield.

Best summation yet!. How did we end up with West Coast offensive coordinators when the Ravens are a run first, Play Action, play good defense team. Oh, that's right the Head Coaches BFF.

  17 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

  44 minutes ago, whobilly said:

Agree with you for the most part. Maybe toss Wallace in. Some Fans over evaluate talent just like the coaching staff does. We have a few IMPACT Players and LOTS of Roster Fillers.

 

  41 minutes ago, Molson Man said:

Wallace leads the team in 50+ yard receptions, that sounds like a playmaker to me. Kyle is the best fullback per pro football focus. So I'd give him three on his list including Smith Sr.

I like Wallace but he's just not that, "playmaker" cat to me.  

Going forward w/o SSS, would you guys consider Wallace to be your "go to guy?"

No. But you don't have to be a "go to guy" to be a playmaker. Wallace is a playmaker. Without SSS, our go to would be Pitta.

Our go to guy is already, run 3 yards and turn around, catch and fall down Pitta!

  1 hour ago, donkeyking64 said:

This offense probably had the most playmakers in the history of any Ravens offense.

Steve Smith Sr
Mike Wallace
Breshad Perriman
Kyle Jusyczk
Terrance West
Kenneth Dixon
Dennis Pitta
Darren Waller who probably outplayed Max Williams in his small handful of games compared to Max's 2015 season
John Boyle never does bad things when he's on the field

What more do you need. Josh McDaniels, Mike McCarthy, Sean Payton, Gary Kubiak - all those coaches would kill to have this personnel. These are coaches who are accustomed to playing with 3rd and 4th stringers or castoffs that wouldn't make starting lineups anywhere else. In fact, if Crockett and Ben Watson don't get injured, some of these guys would have been playing key downs for another team

In my humble opinion, that's more than enough talent to move the ball and get 1st downs. Any high school coach could dial up some plays against the most complex Rex Ryan or Chuck Pagano defense and still manage to convert 3rd downs.

What the heck more do people want on offense

You may need to elevate your thinking as to what true "playmakers" are cause ONLY Steve Smith, Sr. fits that description.

With the whole consistency thing being front and center, it's time to fix the offensive line with 2nd and 3rd round picks. Fixing the offensive line is the only savior for the 2017 season.

  59 minutes ago, BKeyser said:

This is just another in a series of cultural defeats. By that, I mean that the culture of this organization is: play soft with a lead. It's been going on for years. I'm quick to blame Dean Pees, who I think is as awful a coach as there is in the NFL, but this lack of killer instinct may originate higher up.

We won the Super Bowl, barely, on the backs of Joe Flacco and Anquan Boldin and the emotion of Ray Lewis' last season. Since then, we've probably blown more leads and given up more points in the last two minutes of a half than any team in football. That's not individual players, that's a mentality. That's a culture.

Yes, we need a pass rush. And shut-down corners who can stay healthy. I'm all about #BringBackRex. Rushing 3 or 4 against 5 or 6, giving pro quarterbacks all day to survey the field and playing linebackers in space is a recipe for quick opposing scoring drives and teams prove it over and over again in this league, yet there are some coaches (Dean Pees) who simply know no other way to game plan.

It has to end.

So Ozzie should look at his scouts and head coach, and Harbaugh should look at his coordinators, but if we're not going to put up 35 points a game, then we need to learn how to keep up the pressure when we have a lead, and we'll never get there under the current culture.

"Play Like A Raven" has come to mean "fold when it counts."

I just said the same thing to my uncle. The mentality of this team is not the same. There is a lack of determination, and a lack of wanting to put fear in opposing offenses. Ozzie needs to get Rex Ryan back in here. I don't know if that will solve the problem but it damn sure will help if we bring in a coach that knows exactly how this defense is supposed to carry themselves.

I said earlier in the year, this team was soft because of Harbaugh and his BFF staff and I got so many "How can this team be soft with the number 1 ranked defense?"

Well if you couldn't see it before, it's all so crystal clears after last night's loss with 78 seconds left in the game.

You can keep the SOFT number ONE defense rankings, real Raven fans want a defense that is nasty, feared and brings the pain when closing out games.

“Darren Waller evoked memories of Lee Evans, and not in a good way,” wrote The Baltimore Sun’s Edward Lee.

Did this guy even see the play?  In no way, shape or form was the Waller play anything like the Evans gaff.  Lee had plenty of time to secure the ball.  Flacco's pass to Waller was perfect, but the DB got his hand in there at the same time as the ball. Just an outstanding defensive play. 

Thank you. Sometimes it's just a great defensive play.

This is just another in a series of cultural defeats. By that, I mean that the culture of this organization is: play soft with a lead. It's been going on for years. I'm quick to blame Dean Pees, who I think is as awful a coach as there is in the NFL, but this lack of killer instinct may originate higher up.

We won the Super Bowl, barely, on the backs of Joe Flacco and Anquan Boldin and the emotion of Ray Lewis' last season. Since then, we've probably blown more leads and given up more points in the last two minutes of a half than any team in football. That's not individual players, that's a mentality. That's a culture.

Yes, we need a pass rush. And shut-down corners who can stay healthy. I'm all about #BringBackRex. Rushing 3 or 4 against 5 or 6, giving pro quarterbacks all day to survey the field and playing linebackers in space is a recipe for quick opposing scoring drives and teams prove it over and over again in this league, yet there are some coaches (Dean Pees) who simply know no other way to game plan.

It has to end.

So Ozzie should look at his scouts and head coach, and Harbaugh should look at his coordinators, but if we're not going to put up 35 points a game, then we need to learn how to keep up the pressure when we have a lead, and we'll never get there under the current culture.

"Play Like A Raven" has come to mean "fold when it counts."

"Play Like A Raven" has come to mean "fold when it counts." That's John Harbaugh and his soft BFF coaching staff's contribution to the Ravens.

What was really missed in that pathetic play call was the fact that it came after a timeout. Previous play: Pass catch by Wallace, long YAC. Offense moves slowly for next play gets to LOS with 5 seconds on play clock. Sideline signals for timeout as Flacco is unaware of play clock expiring and surprised by ref's whistle as play clock is about to expire. After timeout on first down from the 11 yard line in the Red Zone you call a Pass Play (again coming out of a Time Out and nobody on the offensive staff thinks this is a bad play). SMH

What Flacco Missed!

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/12/15/tale-of-the-tape/the-joe-flacco-check-down/

Why didn't Ravens report Steve Smith Sr. had an outburst during the first hour of Ravens practice Thursday after Joe Flacco overthrew the wide receiver on consecutive deep passes along the sideline. LOL & SMH!

Also why do the Ravens offfense always figure out what they should have done after games instead of during games?

"We had to throw to check downs all game because they were dropping 8 guys in coverage" SO RUN THE DAMN BALL UP THEIR THROATS AND MAKE THEM STACK THE BOX!!

Somebody, give this man a prize and a job on the Ravens's offensive staff! Seriously!

How can you have a staff of offensive coaches and nobody can make a suggestion or adjustment?

The Ravens could help themselves offensively by spreading the offensive formation, instead of the tight bunch formation shown. Place WRs outside the numbers or on the numbers so they have room to operate if a slant route is needed. That formation played right into the defenses hand. SMH! I can't believe all the folks in the Ravens' organization are walking around on eggshells when it comes to this team not having an offensive identity. I thought Raven's football was run the ball, play action, and play tough defense.

How do they expect an offensive line to be effective when all they do is take blows from on coming pass rushers? Offensive lineman need a chance to fire off the ball and deliver some blows, give the running game a chance.

I'm still waiting for Marty to realize he needs to put an all speed look out there a few plays. With Wallace, Perriman, Moore and Waller, someone is bound to get single coverage. Make the catch and it's off to the races.

I know right, me too. I'm so sick of Juice going out in the flat to catch balls for 3 yards 9 out 10 times the play is run. Or the check down to Pitta for 4 yards down field. Such a waste of speed!

How much softer can Harbaugh make a once tough and feared franchise? "Wouldn't it be neat if we could get a point from splitting the uprights during the kickoff." SMH

Instead of Flacco, only communicating with BFF Pitta about offense keeping the foot on the gas, how about talking to your offensive coordinator and head coach who are also on the sideline.

Every game I sit and ponder before the game starts, what are we going to do this week that is going to change the way things have gone with our offense. I envision some long throws that open up the running game, or even some run game to pull some safeties in. I imagine this will be the week Joe actually sees a blitz and checks into a play and scores (he has done that before with Wallace, once). I imagine play calling won't be the same repetitive run and pass plays we have seen since week one and we will be able to keep a defense on their heels. I sit and imagine every thing I can think of to make this team better but when I watch the game I just get confused about what happens at the castle during the week. I can see all this really hard work and dedication and planning and we come out and do something different than we have done all week and I can lay my head down and sleep well knowing that the team is hard at work and the status quo just isn't okay.

However, after watching game after game where everything from input to output is identical to the last 5 game, I am convinced that there is an Animal House frat party that goes on there 24 hours a day, a lot of hilarity and fun and they go out and play on Sunday and produce what one would expect if they sat around and partied all weekend. I would love to go one day and just see from top to bottom, meeting rooms, before practice workouts, practice, after workouts, etc... I can not believe that there are that many grown men working on generating plays that get receivers open, run plays that develop holes. and blocking schemes that allows Joe more time than a brief glance before dropping it off to his back and that they are at it 80 hours a week.

LMBO, I know right!

I have no problem with what Ray initially said, they just have different personalities. Joe has been successful with his Joe Cool persona so you cant really blame that, I think hes just better at accomodating more personality types than he is at inspiring his teammates.

What Cool persona? If what Flacco portrays is Cool then the meaning of Cool has fallen way off. Unemotional best describes Flacco!

What's wrong with Flacco?  It takes 8 to 12 months to physically heal from a torn ACL and it usually takes 18 months total for the physical and mental aspects of a torn acl and he's playing behind a line that's a sieve.  There was the scare when his brace got mangled a few weeks ago and all that plays into the mental aspect.  Here is a chart of what  SB winning QB can expect, Im pulling this because it seems so many are fixated on Joes salary  http://moneynation.com/how-much-money-do-you-make-if-you-win-the-super-bowl/   

Potential salary increase for players who Win Super Bowl              0 to 10 million.

Do y'all realize it has not been a year since we watched our QB tear up his knee?  It  will be a year tomorrow

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000670683/article/flacco-mental-hurdle-toughest-part-of-acl-recovery

psycological recovery of ACL

http://sirc.ca/blog/often-overlooked-psychological-impact-acl-injury

 

Am I making an excuse for Joe's up and down play? Nope as a person that has torn her knee up pretty bad and working on it I understand what it take to gut through it, but this could be a reason his play is off not to mention the turnstile of offensive  coordinators and injury riddle O line it all adds to offensive woes.  Do the fans who play a small fortune for tickets want to hear the excuses NO.

To quote Buddy Ryan, 'If you listen to the fans, you'll be sitting up there with them

Then give Flacco a nice seat on the bench. He's doing a disservice to the team if he's not physically and mentally prepared to play. Nine years of average to below average play and one hot streak to win a super bowl is a summation of Flacco's career.

Is it the players or the Scheme from Juan?

This is a must read article when speaking on Ravens blocking scheme.

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/11/16/lombardis-way/juan-castillo-survives/

  6 minutes ago, DBsRAVENS said:

There's no such animal as can't block. It's either you're willing to block or you won't. Pitta is too much of a PRETTY BOY to block.

some people are just naturally not good at it - otherwise the best OLineman would always without exception be the ones who work the hardest

With lineman it's a strength and technique thing. With everybody else it's a matter of getting your body in front of defender and leading/ holding position. Watch SSS blocking on run play and watch Pitta. One is willing and the other wants no part of blocking.

  2 hours ago, potomacpitbulls said:

  3 hours ago, Raven1995 said:

I doubt Asa Jackson will be returning punts. As for tight Ends we need to get Nick Boyle Back next week. We need a Blocking TE Bad, Pitta looked Horrible against the Browns and we can't have him doing the same against the Bengals, Eagles or Patriots.

I would not be surprised if they "IR" Gillmore to activate Boyle next week.

They need to do something because Pitta just can't block.

There's no such animal as can't block. It's either you're willing to block or you won't. Pitta is too much of a PRETTY BOY to block.

  13 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

  17 hours ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Man the first T.West replay, if Stanley keeps blocking up field he could have blocked #51 and probably sprung T.West to the house. #51 was the only one that forces the cut back into the defenders. Just saying, and I'm sure he's seen and will learn from it.

And another horrible (non)block by Juice - worst blocking fullback in the league.

Saw that too! I like what Oakland does instead of a FB, they bring an extra guard in on the end of the line and he pulls into whatever gap the play is going. Works very well for them.

Raven's could actually gain a roster position by using a TE to do what Juice is failing to do.

  17 hours ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Man the first T.West replay, if Stanley keeps blocking up field he could have blocked #51 and probably sprung T.West to the house. #51 was the only one that forces the cut back into the defenders. Just saying, and I'm sure he's seen and will learn from it.

And another horrible (non)block by Juice - worst blocking fullback in the league.

Thank you. And his 0 YAC to the equation and I really wonder why he's so popular.

You all know what's true in sports, "Defense Wins Championships!".
Let's go DEFENSE! Let Go Ravens!