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On 4/30/2017 at 6:50 PM, Underdogsontop! said:

Can someone lmk when we sign mangold and Q? I'm thinking siragusa might be a candidate for Center too. 

In my opinion Q isn't coming back because Detroit is a better option for him right now. Also, why would he want to come back here when he was unceremoniously trade after winning the SB? I don't think he's ever voiced an interest to come back but this year Harbaugh voiced an interest to having him back but I don't take that very seriously.

To me Tim Williams is the most exciting pick that I'll be looking forward to following. He can be the best thing that happens to us in a long time if he is given the proper guidance and framework to succeed. I am very confident given that Jimmy Smith, Jernigan et al were productive and stayed out of trouble here. I am confident Tim Williams will be a super star in this league and will be a Raven for a very long time.

5 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

No i havent. Who's doing that one?

Don't know but they have a clock running down to D day! lol

  1 hour ago, fusuymada said:

I think Bisciotti is happy with mediocrity.

Yep - hugely successful businessmen are notorious for being content with mediocrity...

Well hugely successful businessmen are notoriously content with mediocrity if mediocrity doesn't really affect the bottom line in a shared system like the NFL. Look at the Skins for example or the Bengals or the Raiders from a few years ago. They didn't care because their bottomline was unaffected by performance.
But, Bisciotti is a different breed that thrives on excellence and expects excellence so we're blessed.

10 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

I complain a lot about it since I watch both teams every week, but it makes me sick to see the plethora of weapons they surround Dalton with compared to what Joe is given. Until recently he even had dominant lines too, that may be their weak point but you never know what can happen year to year, it's looking like Dalton will be spoiled again while Joe will get blamed for WR and run game  incompetence. 

Could you imagine the media outcry if we drafted Mixon, my god.

It would be unreal. It seems like they expect the Bengals to do such things given they don't want to pay full price for anybody. The moral expectations for the Bengals is so low, they can get away with signing anybody with issues no matter how terrible.

When are they planning to introduce the rest of the picks to the fans? Hopefully soon.

That is high praise for Tim Williams. I know this much. Tim Williams excites the entire fanbase as to the possibility of a great pass rushing talent being acquired late in the draft. Now, its really up to the coaches to coach him up, inspire him to be the best by encouraging him, challenging him and getting the most out of him. If he is utilized properly he'll excel but if he is not, then he'll fail. Tim Williams is like the highest quality pliable clay and the coaches are the sculptors. If you wait too long the clay will be un-pliable and useless. So, use him well Pees and Harbaugh. Don't waste his talent like you did with Brown, Correa and Elam.

Trader? How exactly do you surmise that from that photograph? If you somehow did you are an exceptional code breaker because for the life of me, I can't figure this riddle out!

Don't look past Tim Williams. If he is allowed to do what he does best, he'll excel at rushing the passer. But I don't expect that he'll be utilized effectively and that is what scares me about Harbs. Talented players wither away and are ultimately gone. I hope this time around they're able to exploit the talent of Tim Williams. The concept of the dog house needs to be removed entirely or if not, then it should be reserved for bad coaching/coaches.

18 hours ago, balfan23 said:

I'm not sure what you are talking about. Were there specific players that it was known we were shooting for that gave us the cold shoulder and went elsewhere? If there was no one specifically stated by the team that we sought and missed out on, then I don't see how we got outmaneuvered by another team. 

That is .. unless you're saying you know who the cream of the crop is and we didn't get any of them. I find that really hard to believe, given that only the most plugged in people who have 18 hours a day for 6 months to devote to player evaluation even know who half of these guys are. 

Really? It doesn't take 18 hours a day for 6 months to make an observation. I was only going by Brandt's list and other pundit lists of the best available udfas'. You can do the same as well. Here let me provide a list from Gil Brandt.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000804999/article/top-undrafted-free-agents-following-the-2017-nfl-draft

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

After checking out what I could find on some of these guys (and for some, that's absolutely nothing), Ricky Ortiz intrigues me the most because there's a clear opening for someone with his skill set.  They could opt to use Taliaferro or one of the TEs in somewhat of a quasi FB role, but I wouldn't discount this kid right now.  He does look very slow but I do like his aggressiveness and willingness to hit someone in the hole.  He does go in too high at times which really brings down his value as a lead blocker, but you can see some real strong moments there as well.  Outside of that, he seems like a very capable ST player.

I like his aggression. He looks like a Raven at least in the video.

For now, B is about the right grade. But, quickly depending how many of the first 5 picks turn into starters or not, could determine if it slides down to a C or goes up to a quick A. I am betting on A. I see Marlon Humphrey starting by season's end. I see Nico Siragusa starting right away at LG. I see Tyus Bowser splitting reps with Judon and Suggs as a pass defending linebacker and Tim Williams coming in as a pass rush specialist on 3rd downs much like Dumervil did last year. Wormley is going to split reps with Urban and Kaufusi at DE and Chuck taking on an active special teams role. Jermaine is the only one I don't see being on the 45 on game day because he needs to develop his football skills this year. If all of these predictions come to pass, then this draft is an A for me.

Yes it does sound familiar and about time too. I agree with the philosophical shift in strategy. They tried to be an overpowering offense that puts up 30 + points every game and failed miserably to accomplish that. 4 yrs of playoff drought is enough already. The one time they did make the playoff they had a running game. The old Ravens D did have an assist from the offense in the form of a great and strong running game. We need to see if the 2017 Ravens have that with the addition of Woodhead. I doubt that they compete with the rest of the division in the running game and that is really a shame. There is a chance that Dixon could be that 20+ carry back for us, but he's lost for the first quarter of the season. D is going to be really strong, but offense without the run game is a worry because I don't believe Flacco's passing is going to get it done. In fact, we need to limit his passing only to play action passing and make sure he passes less than 50% of the snaps.

Daniel Jeremaiah followed by McShay and Kiper. I just think Mayock is a little too slick and tries to put on this facade of being a great football mind that knows more than everybody else.

Just going by all the responses on welcoming Tim Williams, it seems the fan base is most excited about this guy!

2 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Mentioned this already but his weight is not an issue at all. He played last season at 252/253 lbs.

That's 115kg of quick twich muscle

So where did they come up with the 244 lbs? In any event, Muhammed Ali was the Greatest at 6'31/2 - 212 lbs!

3 hours ago, polynesian15 said:

He does look a bit light (244 lbs), upper body especially. How much do you think he needs to gain to maximize his potential?

Von Miller is 6'3" and 250 now. So, my feeling is just as a matter of course under Saunders, he'll put in 5-6 pounds over the course of the year and get stronger perhaps. Based on the 'science' video I say he is supposed to have legs the size of Arik Armstead of SF who is a 6'7" giant! So that's where he gets his explosion I suppose.

What happened? I thought we must be the most desirable team formost UDFAs' and their agents? Did our scouts get outmaneuvered by other teams for the cream of the crop?

On 4/29/2017 at 9:50 AM, The Raven said:

Alright, Tyus Bowser. Just watched him against Cincinnati, Memphis, and some of Louisville. 

Tyus Bowser isn't Von Miller. He's not Kamalei Correa. He isn't Terrell Suggs, and I don't even think he's a full time edge in the NFL.

As @terps85 and @rmw10 said first, I see Jamie Collins. He's freakishly athletic, he can cover with the best of em, he's smart, and he has good instincts. He does not, however, have the size or hand use to be a full time edge player. He will get eaten alive on the edge in the NFL.

In watching film, there weren't enough snaps where he was even rushing for me to judge his pass rushing fairly, but from what I saw, he just looks fast. That is his only value as a pass rusher. Burst off the line and agility around the edge. Makes for a great blitzer but not a good on the line pass rusher.

I know @GrimCoconut says Bowser can disengage, but I personally don't see it. I don't see a guy that uses his hands to disengage from a block and get to the QB. Instead, I see a guy that runs and runs and runs until the lineman loses him.

I see Tyus playing Will next to Mosley, blitzing frequently and acting as the spy against guys like Cam Newton.

I do think this a good pick. It's good value. He brings a lot to the table. I just don't see him playing the edge, and if Ozzie does, I want to know what he knows. But I also like how he fits in with the guys we have. With DBs like Jefferson, Weddle, and Humphrey who can blitz, and a LB who can cover, I see the potential for a crap ton of truly effective zone blitzes. Bowser is good, but he's even better as a piece of the puzzle, because of what he allows you to do.

I watched him against Memphis and came away unimpressed. He can't seem to shed blocks, doesn't get penetration but most disappointingly wasn't playing through the whistle. He was ineffective at least in that game. Unless he's vastly improved since that game, I don't understand why there is so much hype surrounding him. Anybody?

As long as Mallett doesn't try to do too much and can be a good game manager we'll be okay especially if the defense proves to be as good on the field as it looks on paper, it really won't matter. But, having said all that I would rather have Joe stay healthy and available.

Tim Williams is by far the most exciting pick of the 2017 draft imo. He's just exciting to watch man. Not monstrous in size but a technician who can get to the QB.

On 4/28/2017 at 10:58 PM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I would've been completely happy with him at 16. Got him at 78. Steal of the draft so far imo. 

Do yourself a favor and watch the sports science on him. 

The explosive get off faster and more powerful than Robert Quinn, thighs as big as Arik Armstead while 40 lbs lighter, tighter/faster spin move than Vic Beasley...

Got up to 15 mph in 2 closing steps to the QB delivering a punishing blow. 

 

Im salivating. 

can you post a link to the video. I searched for it with no success.

The Steelers are our real rival and is why I dislike them vehemently. The Bengals are the armpit of the AFC North man! They have no class from the owner all the way down to their draft picks. Who with an iota of morality would pick Mixon or a Burfict? Not the Ravens and I'm near certain nor would the Steelers. We build through the draft and coaching by selecting quality players that are warriors when they play each other. In my mind there are 3 top of the line franchises in the AFC - Pats, Ravens and the Steelers. In the NFC - Pakcers, Seahawks and the Giants.

Hmm... I watched the memphis tape for Bowser and I don't think he was effective at all. He couldn't shed blocks or get penetration and he didn't seem all that persistent on plays. But, again that;s just me watching him for the first time. I'm sure the Ravens front office has watched a ton of tape on this guy and know he's really good enough to warrant pick #47

3 hours ago, Italian Raven said:

I don't know much yet but this tape highlights one Raven's quality: this guy is a finisher.

He plays through the whistle and I think he can be coached up. The issue I see with him is not enough knee bend and he kind of leans forward outside his center of gravity while run blocking. He's going to have to change that at the next level.