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5 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

I don't know if that was the case.  I just get sick of seeing that pocket collapse and people getting to Joe all the time.  When you don't see that happening with other teams....  It seems as though some of those guys have all day long.

True statement @The Mom Gene

Both Weddle and Wallace played an important part on this team and earned the money they were paid.

Weddle is a sure tackler who is also a leader. I personally would like Oz to get someone to play along side him who would compliment him better than Webb did.

Wallace can still run and catch and we saw him catch balls over the middle of the field at times this season not just going deep. I believe Wallace can be a reliable #2 WR  and Perriman a #3 who's still developing for the Ravens next year. That being said we need a true #1 WR preferably a rookie or a younger vet still in his prime.

West and Dixon both ran the ball hard and played hard nosed lunch box football and both complimented eachother well and were worth the money they got.

The Ravens need to sure-up the O-line and get younger guys who can compliment Yanda ,Stanley ,Lewis and Wagner all of whom showed they can play at this level. Stanley and Lewis are no longer rookies and showed improvement as their rookie season went along.

So Oz has got to get a true #1WR , build up the O-line to give Flacco time to run the offense and open holes for Dixon and West. Oz has also got to get more playmakers for the secondary and pass rushers. The coaches have got to call a sensible game. RAVENS WIN!!!

Welcome aboard coach Roman time to get to work.

5 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Cant wait til next season when the offense is drastically improved... the run game is top 10, maybe top 5, and Flacco is incredibly efficient.

And all the people hating the decision to keep Marty are saying - See knew it all along, coming in mid-season is difficult for anyone. All he needed was an offseason, a good OL, and a focus on developing a run game! 

 

EDIT: Love getting negged for saying the Ravens will improve. People would rather be right, than have the Ravens be good.

I agree with your post and I really hope your right and the Ravens really improve I love my Ravens. That being said I will not tell my self fibs. We do need some serious improvement across the whole team. from coaches play calling to QB play and all the way to special teams play.
 I am all for giving Marty a true chance. However as we both know a lot of this falls on Oz and his staffs shoulders as far as players to keep, draft and bring in to the Raven family. This team showed some flashes but at the same time they need some serious work and losing a leader like SSS is a BIG BIG BIG hole to fill.

4 hours ago, January J said:

So true.

I agree too it is a true statement that @BOLDnPurPnBlacK made

4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Steve told us he was retiring after LAST season, and only came back because he didn't want to retire injured.

Everybody knew this was Steve's last year before the season even started. It surprised nobody. There wasn't a single, reasonable fan who was expecting him back after this season. Everybody knew that one way or another, he was done with the Ravens after 2016.

I concur I don't know who or what the people who thought differently about SSS retiring were listening to.

42 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

I think that's a valid criticism, but, I'd like to see some of those other QBs without their top notch receivers. Something we've always lacked here. And, as in 2014 when Flacco DID perform, what good does it do if the defense is going to fold by giving up 2 14 pt leads? Or 21 pts in the 4th? I think it is good we're putting some focus on building around Flacco - I'm all for it - but why are we ignoring the obvious problem of a defense that breaks more often than it bends?

I like your points but if I am not mistaken the 2-14 point leads  was in a playoff game right or wrong?

Joe plays big in the post season and that's what he needs to find a way to do that in the regular season.  Like I said I am a Flacco fan you can check out my previous posts I want him to succeed but he needs to find a way to be January Joe from September to January and hopefully  into February.

we definitelty do need a true #1 WR for Joe

you are right about that and that is on Oz and the scouts.

I do agree with your points ravensdfan.

I like Joe but to be totally honest Joe has not played up to the level for the amount of money he is getting paid with exception of the playoffs he has out played Brady, Rothlesburger and P. Manning during the playoffs. However during the regular season most of the time Joe is just average. I can remember a few regular season games Joe was AWESOME but only a couple against the Bucs I believe 2 seasons ago I think Joe had 5 TD's and against the Steelers a few seasons ago with C.Cameron as OC. I know other people on these boards might think of other games that he played at an awesome level  in the regular season but for the amount of money he is getting honestly thats not enough games for his amount of pay.  If Joe gets time he can play at a high level but part of getting paid at the level he is getting paid he has to be able to make things happen when its tough sledding on the field. Like I said I am a Flacco fan but it's time for him to play at the level he is getting paid. Just being honest.

2 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

Not entirely sure if Roman being added as the quarterback coach . He could be added as The Ravens assistant offensive line coach or run game specialist 

Thats what I heard but as all of us on these boards know until it happens it is only rumor.

On 1/10/2017 at 8:43 AM, Moderator 3 said:

Why would Zorn want to come back to a place where he was fired (for no good reason that we ever heard)?

I would love to bring Zorn back because him and Flacco seemed to work good together but you made a great point with your post.

2 hours ago, atomicfront said:

Here are the cap savings if we cut the player (in millions)...Who do you cut? 

Dummervil 6
Wallace 5.75
Webb 5.5
Wright 2.6 
Zuttah 2.4
Watson 3
Pitta 3.3
Arrington 2.1 
Lewis 1.8
 

Keep:

Pitta: Joe has continuity with him

Wallace: Proved he can still play had over 1000 yards with Joe throwing to him.

Keep if price is right:

Dummervil: if totally healthy can still be disruptive

Cut and save / get younger talent: 

Webb: Secondary needs an up-grade to compliment Weddle.

Wright: Too many times watching him get burnt

Zuttah: Time to get younger and stronger

Watson: We have enough TE's

Arrington : I think it would not be hard for Oz to find a better tallent for less $

Lewis

Younger tallent can be had at a more cap friendly price.

19 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

I'd be pissed if we took RB in the first round, when more mad if we traded up for him. We need to draft players of need.

Great post..... We need CB's,OL,WR and legit pass rushers before any RB. Dixon and West are our RB's for at least next year maybe even longer depending on injuries. Great post and well put. 

20 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

On a humorous note, Bisciotti is still holding out hope for SSS to show up in September wanting to play! But, you're right. Flacco needs all the help he can get and then some to be productive. He's uncharacteristically inaccuate on his deep throws and even intermediate throws. His decision making has regressed badly and it had never progressed to an elite level to begin with ever. So, now the conundrum is the Ravens have to figure out a way to enable Flacco to be productive one way or the other and hope for the best. That is the situation they find themselves in. They either float or sink with Flacco and its looking more likely they're going to sink if they can't give him a great O-line, a great running game and WRs that can make contested catches and get wide open!

I like Joe but to be totally honest Joe has not played up to the level for the amount of money he is getting paid with exception of the playoffs he has out played Brady, Rothlesburger and P. Manning during the playoffs. However during the regular season most of the time Joe is just average. I can remember a few regular season games Joe was AWESOME but only a couple against the Bucs I believe 2 seasons ago I think Joe had 5 TD's and against the Steelers a few seasons ago with C.Cameron as OC. I know other people on these boards might think of other games that he played at an awesome level  in the regular season but for the amount of money he is getting honestly thats not enough games for his amount of pay.  If Joe gets time he can play at a high level but part of getting paid at the level he is getting paid he has to be able to make things happen when its tough sledding on the field. Like I said I am a Flacco fan but it's time for him to play at the level he is getting paid. Just being honest.

Surround Joe with talent that is a great idea. We just lost SSS probably the most vocal leader on the offensive side of the ball. That in it self is going to be very hard to replace. We definitely need a true #1 WR . I believe Wallace and Perriman can be a #2 and #3. We also need O-line help big guys who can run-block as well as pass block. On the defensive side we need DB help someone who can actually compliment Weddle in the middle and serious depth on the outside guys who can cover and be left on an island with WR's. We also need a serious pass rusher who can be a vocal leader when Sizzle hangs his cleats up.
Coaching staff we need them to be smart about play calling and make game plans that give our guys a chance to win.

I think what he said was fair. However the coordinators both offensively and defensively need to get their stuff together when play calling next season since they are sticking around another season.

Stanley, Lewis and Young all were worth the pick along with Dixon he looked good as well. All of them played really well and it will be fun to watch them next season as they grow from rookies to vets.

On 1/1/2017 at 1:45 PM, rmw10 said:

 

What you want and what you think should happen are always 2 different things though.  The team still seemingly likes Elam.  He shouldn't be expensive, and for that reason, I think he'll be back.  Now, whether he makes the 53 next year is a whole different question.  I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him on the 90 though.

I agree with the what you want and what you think part your so right. I know your not trying to say keep Elam your just trying to keep it real but if Oz cant find anyone out there to fill that roster spot with just a touch more skill or potential we are in for a world of hurt. Elam Stinks at the NFL level PERIOD!!!

1 hour ago, FlocksGottaFeed said:

Really can't agree that he's got a "long" way to go. There's just not enough games played or targets recorded to honestly evaluate that. Perriman's 1st season is similar to many recent 1-3 year #1 receivers currently.  

For Example: Comparing Antonio Brown's 3rd Season - His potential level is on pace.

BP: 33 receptions - 66 targets - 499 yards - 15 yd average - 53 yd long - 3 TD
AB: 66 receptions - 105 targets - 787 yards - 11.5 yd average - 60 yd long - 5 TD

How would that have looked if Perriman got double the targets (66 like Brown) this season and/or next season? We just don't know.

Based on similar comparisons to several #1 receivers league-wide with similar 1st-2nd-3rd year numbers one would have to honestly reserve over-evaluating potential and projecting growth after only one year of play. Purple Kool-aid or not. There's just not enough there to see yet. Once he gets #1 targets per game we'll have more to access.

A true #1 WR in the NFL causes teams to roll the coverage his way or gets double teamed on most plays. Perriman has got a long way to go to get to that point. Now just so we are on the same page Perriman can be a #1 NFL WR it's all on him to do it though. As far as your comparison AB is a true #1 WR now but not at the 3rd year those numbers just don't add up. A true #1 WR can carry the team and makes catches during critical moments of the game  and that means having both feet down inbounds with total control of the ball. To be a true #1 WR Perriman has got a long ways to go. Maybe he makes that jump this off season but it's a very wide canyon not a crack in the sidewalk. We have had plenty of WR;'s in Baltimore and plenty of open challenges for the #1 guy but it only seemed like the free agents Oz brought in or the guy he traded for was willing to step up and take the job when they were open. 3 years is a long ways to go thats just a little less than 1/3 of a 10 year career in the NFL. 

Its just SAD they are willing to make the tough decisions when it's dealing with players who actually count against the cap but not coaches where there is absolutely no penalty for getting rid of them.

I hope these 2 were the right ones to part ways with and not just scapegoats.
Personally I think 2 different coaches further up the food-chain should have been let go but that's just my opinion.

If we win the Super Bowl with these coaches that's about the only thing I can see as of right now to change my opinion.

Lets get it straight " Perriman has a long ways to go" to be a true #1 WR n the NFL anyone that does not see that is either delusional and flat out drinking the purple kool-aid or just not very smart. Lets be clear I am not saying he cant be a #1 NFL WR but he has got a lot of work to do to get to that point.

18 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

maxx Williams = matt elam

God I hope not! I am willing to give Williams a little more of a chance just like we did for Elam but Elam was a straight-up 1ST ROUND BUST!!!

20 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Zone coverage calls for CB to be 8-10 yards off the line - Cover 2, Cover 3, Cover 4, Cover 6. It's standard with every team in the NFL and college. Unless you're playing press coverage, that's exactly where they should be. And we don't have the corners to play press. That's like saying why does the RB line up behind the QB, 5 yards from the LOS on 3rd & 1. Line up under center would be way better that way, he only has to gain 2 yards instead of 6.

I understand that. My point was we watch them get consistently burned for 1st downs all the time. I guess it might be time to get guys who can earn their money and press cover.

Does this mean that in the middle of the season they will be switching coordinators again?

1 minute ago, metalraven said:

haha - I know, right? The opponent's offense is on their own 25 and the Ravens CBs are in the tunnel, behind the FG posts.

How many times have we seen it? I mean if its 3rd and 6 our CB's are playing off at least 8-10 yards

Joe does need to make some more plays. The biggest thing Joe needs to work on in my opinion is pocket awareness and his accuracy throwing the ball. at times he sits in the pocket too long waiting for something to happen down field then gets hit or swarmed by defensive guys. Is that all on Joe? I think it's 60% Joe's fault because he has to be aware of when to throw, Run or just throw it away and live to play for the next down. It's 40% WR's / TE's/ RB's fault for not making something happen in getting seperation and sometimes when it hits them square in the chest they drop it any way. Some of Joe's throws are behind the guys thats on him and honestly he does not hit the guys in stride as much as he should.