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this is baffling to me because since the 99th pick ( osemele comp pick)  is apart of the trade, doesn't feel like they got much. 

Jernigan could have played out the season earned a big contract and got us another future 3rd round comp pick. 

Should be interesting to have two early 3rd rounders. 

I would like it more if it was Timmy traded for the 74th pick straight up. 

Seems odd that we traded the 99th pick instead of 4th or 5th rounder. 

Seems like we should have at least picked up a 6th or 7th as well from them. Oh well it's done now 

On 3/31/2017 at 0:10 AM, Jonah DeVito said:

Wouldn't double his production be like 60 catches , 6 tds and like 800 yards or something? Idk about you, but those don't look like pro bowl numbers....

Not quite Pro Bowl numbers if he doubles his stats but it would be an impressive season still. 

Last year he had 33 rec, 499 yds , 3 tds 

double that : 66 rec, 998, 6 tds. 

I doubt anyone would complain if he put up these numbers and the team won! 

Perriman does need to work concentration drops, but I think if he got with Flacco and worked his routes and their timing and trust it could work wonders. 

I mean  lets face it, the playing calling never did anyone any favors, most of the time the routes on passing plays barely complement each other the way they should.  

Other teams might use Crossing routes and drags for pick plays while having Go route or post over the top as a deep option so they can attack multiple levels of the field. And the routes are what create the separation and openings.  Seem like we send everybody out on curls or digs and wonder why the defense just sitting on it. 

12 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

It could be manageable. If an expensive QB playing poorly is doable. Then so is overcoming the 18mil cap hit cutting him. However there is a catch. To overcome it we would have to find a franchise QB in the mid rounds of the draft or cheap in free agency. Such as a QB a team gave up on to early or flew under the radar. Potentially Mettenberger Aaron Murray. Two QBs I think could excel if surrounded by a dominant line and functional weapons. Or draft a Chad Kelly or Brad Kaya in round4 or later that impresses in short order. As well as a really good draft.

Not favorable scenarios but not out of the question. Of course the better idea is to surround our QB with a dominant line and good weapons. And not have to consider.  cutting him.

Brad Kaaya has some of the worst pocket mobility and pocket awareness I've ever seen. I'm a Hurricanes fan, I felt like Kaaya never developed much over his last 3 years. He didn't read defenses any better, didn't get the ball out quickly on his progressions. 

Kaaya needs a Top 5 Oline and some time to develop because when he has a clean pocket he's accurate when there's pressure he begins to see ghosts and get erratic. 

15 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

first off takin a cap hit of 20 mil with total cap what it is wil not ruin a team. both the bengals and browns have spent far less than that hit wich is really no more than a limit on spendin u know what i'm sayin spendin below total cap. god I hate this stuf.  so we start wiff that it is ok to be below cap.

so total joe dead cap for 2017 is 18.5 mil vary managaeable.

jus above check it out corse we have a hit in 2018 as well .  but they already takin actin to make it harda to do.  I culd manage this club much betta and I serreous. gonna proof it in the draff contest. spendin my avail time workin on my draff need by selction top100 play along gonna show anione can do it.

It's really sad that I and others have told you what the actual numbers would be if Flacco was Cut or Traded and total numbers which would be broken down and yet you just pull random numbers out of the sky. 

You honestly think it's easy for a team to construct a roster with that much of Dead cap space. The team had a hard enough time working off the 9.5 dead cap after the Ray rice ordeal. 

You talking about the bengals and browns... Cleveland entire roster is compose of draft picks and only handful of players on their 2nd or 3rd NFL contracts.

The bengals built most of their roster through the draft from years of sucking and now that some of those players have been due contracts they are losing starters left and right the last 2 years ( M.Sanu, M.Jones, Zeitler, Whitworth, R.Nelson, M.Johnson-left and returned )  

Really don't talk about you could run a team better when you don't understand Salary cap structures, compensatory picks or anything. I mean in your previous post you said "trade Flacco so we get compensatory picks" 

4 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

I believe Watson will have a big year. I think Pitta and Joe have that rapport so... we will continue to see a lot of that connection. I am not sure about Gimore... he shows flashes but has never demonstrated the consistency that can make him a real threat.

I think Maxx needed to add some strength and has now had a couple of years to do so.... I am curious how improved he will or will not be? He certainly has the raw skills.

I think Boyle has shown flashes of being a baby Gronk and Boyle at HBack is intriguing. But with his infractions... hard to trust him.

I think Waller will slide back to WR and while I love his potential... I really don't seem him playing TE...he seems to have more of a WR mindset@

I think they are giving Watson enough time to heal so that he can pass a physical and then be cut..  

I can't find the article I was reading but it talked about how players on IR need to pass a physical before being cut, or the team would have to pay the full salary due per injury settlement rules, because it's deemed if they couldn't pass the physical they can't play for another team either. ( like a hardship type thing to benefit the players ). 

I read something similar for the reason K.Arrington hadn't been released yet. 

Last year the team was both lucky and unlucky at how the TE position played out. 

Going into training camp I was sure that Waller would be cut after serving the suspension  without ever getting a chance and that perhaps Pitta too depending on health, because the Team had 6 TEs.

* Watson is injured , Boyle & Waller have suspensions to serve so that basically solved the situation for the team without losing anyone. 

Maxx williams gets injured, right before Waller returns to action. 

Gilmore was nicked up all year, Boyle returns and the team ended with 4 TEs. 

Well even if they move Boyle or Maxx to FB the team will still need to part with someone, unless they move Waller back to WR. 

Just can't justify having 6 roster spots dedicated to TE when the team doesn't use them creatively enough to get production. 

They should be able to run a Two TE sets and hurry up offense and run and pass out of those. 

11 hours ago, 20306cab said:

Actually, they would call it a day after the first quarter.  Seven times with a 7 or 10-0 lead in the first quarter, and never scored more than 23 points in any of those games.  That was the loss to the Giants. This is the worst roster the Ravens have had on offense, going into the draft, in quite sometime.  Unless PJ picks up his game, (and why would anything be any different after10 years) NOTHING creative will EVER happen. 

PJ??  

And yeah it was crazy how the team got a 10-0 lead or a 10 pt lead in maybe 4 games before tossing out the game plan.  

Like the Dallas game drove me insane. The offense starts off good. 10-7 lead, even had a decent running game. Then in second half the team ran like 5 times and 1 was a Flacco scramble.  Zuttah with penalties killed it too.  But in a game that was within reach and the team abandoned the run completely. 

That was the narrative in a few games. 

On 3/28/2017 at 5:11 AM, RayRayRaven said:

in da end u have to ask arer we closer to the superbowl or closer to a reboot. as we are today which way are we headin. when u have ur direction u can say betta or worse than 8-8. when I look at are rosta I doan see a superbowl any wheres near on the hoarison. I see a rosta of ovah draffed playas many of who r at best useful but not differenc makers and that's why I say 8-8 wuld be a good record. compared to 2010 to 2012 rostas we hav crashed an burned.  so which way are we headin? now bout the cap hit of tradin joe you are not factorin the salary we doan have to pay. let me ask u this. if u say the joe cap is 47 mil now when is the joe cap 24 mil?  and ya I wuld trade joe for that joe cap hit in a ny m inute wich is 2 secons. becuz its part of the comprehensuv plan. is there pain yah there is but sweet lemonaid comes from sour lemons. if u can answer that one than u know

I can't tell if this is joke or what. It's very difficult to read too. 

1) the other Poster was correct you don't understand how trades or the salary cap works at all based off what you've wrote. When a team trades a player with multiple years left on their contract the team must still pay that player the remaining Guaranteed money, which creates Dead Cap.   

*need proof, when Ray Rice was cut after his ordeal and the team had to carry 9.5M dead money spread over 2 years. 

2) if the Ravens cut or traded Flacco today the Dead Cap would be 47.3M according to Spotrac 

3) Trades have nothing to do with compensatory picks and they never have! Compensatory picks are about the quality of Free Agents The Ravens lose vs the quality of FA they sign. ( with other factors such as contract amounts, performance based achievements ). 

** Lastly Texans and Browns deal to absorb the entire Brock Osweiller deal is rare in Football and should not be viewed as an option for most teams.  Basically like an NBA deal for cash considerations **

In response to harbaugh, all we can say is show us the creativity please! 

Last offseason, everyone was pumped about the talent at TE ( this is before even knowing Pitta would be healthy and playing ) too. 

Tressman talked about getting creative but based on what occurred on the field that essentially meant we are going to throw TE screens to the slowest TEs Gilmore and Pitta gain 2-yards and call it a day. 

There were no twin or Trips TE with motion to create mismatches on smaller corners or to isolate a slow LB. 

Waller does have potential, but it doesn't matter because they don't capitalize on his size & speed advantage on defenders. They should have that kid lining up inside and outside running seam patterns, posts quick slants. 

Boyle at FB would be great said that quite a few times already. 

On 3/29/2017 at 1:30 AM, Halshayeji said:

Second rounders are usually players that are NFL ready but don't have much upside or have a great upside and not even close to beiNFL ready. Correa was the latter. All the reports on him are that he needs development but his potential is crazy if he reaches it.

it doesn't concern me that he didn't start last year because it was expected. We just got a little excited and wanted him to start right away when that really wasn't the plan to start with.

Your absolutely right when it comes to screwing it up for the guy by teaching him 2 positions before he masters either one. Correa has a high motor and an insane first step. coverage was never his strength in college and for that I'm extremely concerned that our FO is trying to force him into playing ILB full time. 

I wished that he practiced OLB purely because between him Suggs and Judon, wed have a nice fight for playing time for specific situations.

 

I gotta admit I was really put off that they didn't play him at OLB, especially early last year when Doom was out and A majority of the snaps was going to McClellan. 

I just want to see Correa have a solid year and I really hope Z.Smith improves his strength and technique because he regressed imo. 

On 3/28/2017 at 8:38 PM, Purple Dawg 96 said:

Nothing like Arthur Brown! KC will shine and he and CJ will Wreak Havoc together setting a tone! Something about KC I keep seeing Ray Lewis type things and it's stuck in my head since I saw his highlights!

Please elaborate on this for me.   Because I don't see how you watched his college highlights of him at DE and you saw Ray Lewis type things...  

He wasn't getting the defense into position, or having to run sideline to sideline.   I'll give the energy he displayed after making a tackle for loss.. 

When I watched his highlights made me picture him as versatile player like a Roosevelt Colvin or Karlos Dansby type, 2 guys that always left it on the field, and eventually played multiple positions within a defense  

Honestly the moment I read about them having Correa practice and learn both OLB and ILB I envisioned them screwing him up similar to Kruger.   

Anyone remember how Kruger went from DE to OLB back and forth for several years.  Forcing the guy to put on extra weight then lose weight and work on quickness. 

I mean let the player get acclimated to the NFL in general before trying to teach them multiple positions and overloading them. 

47 minutes ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

Got a real good feeling about KC and they need to let him play instead of wasting money! Can't learn a thing on the sidelines and if Ozzie and Co. picked him he will do the dang thang! Let him play let him play let him play!

It was strange to see the kid not play at all, after all the Mini-Camp and Training Camp articles about constantly being impressive with his motor and activity.  

Its almost like he went downhill right after that scuffle that left Pitta with an injured hand. 

Regardless they better play Correa somewhere and don't just waste the pick entirely like with Arthur Brown who never saw the light of day. 

On 3/23/2017 at 7:56 AM, RaineV1 said:

Already a thread for it. Feel free to post your own draft on there.

Wow as much as I'm in that draft section I don't know how I missed it lol 

thanks man. 

Perhaps he's trying to say the team needs a tenacious vocal WR to have a yin & yang relationship with Flacco.  

I mean grasping at straws here, because this is one of those we have no news so let me write what I heard some fans talking about at the Buffalo Wild Wings lol

While I get that he means he wants to see WRs with more moxy & bravado. Guys that aren't afraid to demand the ball. 

They dont need to be "diva , primadonna".  In recent memory Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones and AJ Green all are/were quiet WRs that lead with the play on the field rather than bulletin board quotes, or crazy celebrations. 

A.Brown and OBJ doing all this over the top stuff as a form of branding to draw attention to themselves for more marketing opportunities. 

Anyone wanting to simulate your own Mock Draft.  I came across this site 

http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/ 

you can live draft anywhere from 1 round to all 7 rounds. 

I've been trying to post on other outlets since this will be closing ... 

Ravens Facebook fans smh. Spent several back and forth comments arguing with a guy lol.  

It started with his preference of Derrick Henry instead of Correa ( ok sure we have our own draft fantasy scenarios ). 

Then the guy says "they screwed that up just like the year we traded back to get Kindle and missed out on drafting Dez Bryant since we traded back lol" 

i said thats the exact  opposite of what happen Dallas traded up and stole Dez Bryant right from us then the team traded back since Bryant was gone.

enter name calling ( oh boy I'll miss this little message board ) lol 

On 3/17/2017 at 9:48 PM, ellicottraven said:

My first takeaway is Thank God for Brandon Carr! My second takeaway is Thank God that Claiborne didn't immediately agree to our $5M/yr offer. My third takeaway is Thank God the Ravens didn't offer more money to sign Claiborne because he would've agreed and become Eugene Monroe's second coming!!!!

I've said this on comment section somewhere else, but it's ironic because fans and Ravens media pundits have all stated how durable Carr is and how it's such a great thing. 

Eugene Monroe had never missed a game in his entire career then we traded for him which seemed to be a steal for something like a 5th round pick I think and the man became Samuel L. Jackson's character on The Unbreakable over night. 

So to be fair Claiborne has had plenty of injuries in his first 5 years so the team would already know what they're getting. 

But if Carr were to "knock on wood" get injuried after his perfect attendance it would be similar to Eugene Monroe or D.Foxworth when he came here and had to retire abruptly. 

On 3/17/2017 at 4:33 AM, Halshayeji said:

 

In theory, Jeffersons contract gets canceled out by Juice, Guy, and Ducase. That leaves Wagner as our biggest loss and Carr doesn't count against that as he was an unrestricted FA vs Clayborn who might have canceled that all out.

Final verdict:- Ozzie is probably done signing anyone that counts against the comp pick formula.

I'm not sure what you mean by Carr is UFA so he doesn't count. After all if that were the case then we would get nothing for the guys we've lost like Wagner, Juice etc all of those guys were signed away as unrestricted free agents. If they were restricted free agents then any team that signed them away would forfeit their draft pick to the Ravens based on the tender placed on each player. 

From over the cap 

As the NFL explains, compensatory picks are awarded to teams that lose more or better compensatory free agents than they acquire. The number of picks a team can receive equals the net loss of compensatory free agents, up to a maximum of four. Compensatory free agents are determined by a secret formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. Not every free agent lost or signed is covered by the formula.

So you need to write down each player the Ravens lost and what the contract was. The compare with new players acquired.  Hope that helps some. 

21 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Exactly how I wanted you to respond...

I noticed you only referenced 2016 statistics... any particular reason for this? I mean with good players, you'd expect to see some consistency over an extended period of time.

So why did he only have 6 TDs in 2015? Or 5 in 2014? Or why did he have 18 TDs TOTAL over a three year period of 13-15?

Why has his YPC dropped every single season since 2013? Is that an indication of a good RB? How about his 3.9 YPC in 2016? Is that good or bad? What if I told you that ranked 30th in the NFL for RBs, and it was basically the same as Terrence West's?

What, did he all of the sudden "peak" as a RB at 30 years old?

Or how about this... why don't the Patriots want him back? The guy had 18 TDs last year and the Patriots, with plenty of cap space, don't appear to be interested at all?

Probably because they know what everybody else knows... he's a plodder. You hand the ball to him and he falls forward for 2-3 yards. And in fact, if you actually looked at his "short yardage" numbers, he's not nearly as good at converting as you think he is.

Anybody can be an effective short yardage back with a quality Oline. Justin Forsett was a very good short yardage back when he was here, and nobody even noticed. He was better than Taliaferro, who is much more of a "big bruiser".

 

I don't know why people are giving you negs when you're making excellent points. 

Well said 

On 3/20/2017 at 9:31 AM, Halshayeji said:

no its not crazy to pursue A.Peterson or L.Blount. But it's crazy to hold t.west hostage until we figure it out. Teams are filling up their rosters and west deserves to make a few visits before he makes up his mind. Just my humble opinion.

Hold him hostage???  Any team that wants West can make him a contract offer which the Ravens would have an option to match.  Teams aren't willing to give up a 3rd round pick then they don't believe West would be their featured back. 

West actually got playing time, whereas a guy like Buck Allen has been a healthy scratch for a full year, his receiving skills would be put to use on plenty of teams.