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39 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

I just wanted to say...  You guys sure know how to make a guy feel welcome to Bmore... 

Listening to the analysts this morning...  ALL OF THEM believe that this is a GOOD and a SOLID pick.

I think if the analysts were asked now, was this pick a good value considering players on the board and depth at the CB position.  

The top two Corners in this draft were S.Jones and M.Lattimore after that it was all over the board as far as the next 5 best Corners. Different sites ranked Q.Wilson, T.White, M.Humphrey, A.Jackson, K.King, G.Conley, T.Tabor ( until he ran like a turtle ). 

So if it were possible to trade back any number of spots then trade back.   

Sidney Jones has an Achilles injury not an ACL, MCL which requires a full year recovery. 

30 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

Can't forget about Jarrett Johnson who may not have been elite but  was a pretty good player for The Ravens. 

lol I said recent Bama picks. Jarrett Johnson is well over a decade ago.  The same fans that loved his lunchpail mentalty hated Upshaw for the same exact play. 

But if I were digging deep like that I'd give him credit for finding Le'Ron McClain too. 

13 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

 

If Allen medicals were as good as we thought then I don't think he would have fell. The Bengals drafted John Ross over Jonathan Allen so I think that may tell you and others something. 

Didnt the entire league pass on M.Jack last year for it to come out his knee isn't as bad as once thought a week after the draft. 

I'd classify Ross going there as a team panicking to get a WR since they lost 2 last year.  I don't feel any of the WRs were worthy of Top10 picks, but I thought the first would go to Buffalo at 10, instead all 3 went in the top 10. 

Teams know it's a deep defensive draft panicked and overdrafted 2 QBs and 3 WRs in the top 15 pushing down much better prospects. 

1 hour ago, Davesta said:

I mean, a year ago today we were crying how we never spend a top 1-2 round pick on a cornerback. Brandon Carr is decent, not great. Plus he's 30. Jimmy smith can't finish a season. As great as tavon played, he's still a 5'8 nickel corner. I get the pick. I have a feeling Derek Barnett and hasson reddick was our 2 main defensive targets. But they got snatched up. I can live with this. Hopefully the draft falls in our favor and we grab a WR, pass rush, and OL with our 3 day 2 picks.  

It's not about just drafting a Corner 1st round. This draft  has tremendous depth at corner, trading back and adding a pick then getting him I would have been okay with.  

But for his lack of ball skills, I would have been fine getting T.white, A.Jackson, K.King, several spots later and gaining an extra pick. 

T.White and A.Jackson would have also filled the Returner position day 1. 

43 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Allen has potentially big issues with his shoulders and back. The fact that Ozzie, who has good connections with 'Bama passed on him says a lot.

Lets recall Ozzie's Bama connections also led to T.Cody. 

And im one of the few that actually liked C.Upshaw even though he never pass rushed, I appreciate grunt work  

Of the recent Bama draft picks only Mosley has lived up to expectations. 

I can't believe all 3 WRs (Davis, Williams and Ross ) went in the top 10. 

After Davis and Williams went my mind went to defense lol. 

Just now, Sami84 said:

alabama CBs...i mean apart from kareem jackson i cant think of a decent one in years..

Yeah that's true Kirkpatrick has been ok nothing special though not as bad as milliner lol. 

Not only that but if that's the pick why not trade back to about 25 and pick up a few picks. 

Even if Humphrey is gone there's T.White, G.Conley, plenty of other corners or maybe even get Takk at back of the 1st.  

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

dont worry we have the great brandon williams...who needs a  guy that can rush the passer? DOn't question the wizard

Lol   

yeah I mean as I saw this unfolding i was thinking Allen's versatility and technique. Already plays in 3-4 moving across the line. Has excellent hand play. 

I never even dreamed he'd fall to us at 16. Never even had a simulated mock draft do that. 

Ahh well. 

2 minutes ago, Static said:

 

No thanks, don't want another rookie year Perriman

You do realize T.Suggs has had the same injury twice with no lingering issues. 

So why would you even compare it to Perriman? 

The team has added secondary help already neither Humphrey or Jones would go in as an immediate starter. 

Not to mention I said I was hoping before the draft he would be looked at in the 3rd round man. Not the first. 

11 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Allen has potentially big issues with his shoulders and back. The fact that Ozzie, who has good connections with 'Bama passed on him says a lot.

He was cleared and deemed healthy!  He has some arthritis in shoulder, no team gave him a failed physical or report.  

Every year the nonsense happens where some player has some issue that teams fear or he has degenerative knee that hasn't cost him yet but it will ( D.Bowers ). 

The m.humprhey pick ends my hope for Sidney Jones in the 3rd.  

Read his doctor said he should be healthy by September. 

Wow so I just woke up before my graveyard shift to watch part of last nights draft. I'm shocked to see Jonathan Allen and R.Foster on the board and we chose M.Humphrey instead. 

I was drooling over Allen all year..  so much for this BPA stuff lol

I really wish this site would continue with Game Thread and a Draft section. 

On 4/8/2017 at 7:01 AM, sizzlingdoom said:

So we all know BWill is going to anchor the middle. Between the other 4, I really could see them all splitting time pretty evenly on the field and I think that would be great. Though if Pierce improves his stamina, I want to see him on the field as much as possible. I'm really excited about Henry. I think he can be a better version of Timmy. I was always a big fan of Carl Davis, and it sounds like he might finally be ready. I remember draft analyst saying how the Lions might take him in round 1 to replace Suh. Then Kufasi has serious potential, but we've all heard that word before. I think he'll be a 3rd down pass rush specialist this year, and we'll get a glance if he can turn into anything more in the process. Urban is really solid and brings a different dimension. I kind of see him as taking Guy's role as a very good run defender. But he also provides height and length at the line to knock down passes. We've all seen him do some damage on field goal blocks too. Hopefully Carl steps up so we can stack him and Urban when we want height out there.
The best part about all of this, and trading Timmy, is that all of these guys are going to get a chance to strut their stuff. And I truly think all of them can be at least very good players for us. I think Timmy was overrated as well, and moving up 25 spots in this draft, especially where we did is Massive! I'm thrilled about the trade and didn't think it would actually go down. Luckily everyone is operating as if they're on the hot seat.
I sincerely think we're going to add an OLB with one of our first 2 picks. I think we're looking at Takk and Barnett. And we always add at least 1 big man in the draft, or right after.
Depending on how this draft goes, and the rest of FA, I think the FO is building the # 1 Defense for next year. And frankly, even if our offense looks similar to last year, I won't care, if our defense takes another large step forward. Not only will we have awesome talent at every position, but we'll also have depth. If we add Takk or Barnett, I think we'll be 1 vs the run, and have a top 3 secondary.
DT: Pierce/ Henry
NT: BWill/ Carl Davis
DE: Urban/ Kufasi
OLB: Sizzle/ Z
OLB: Takk/ Judon
ILB: Mosely/ KC
ILB: P.O./ draft pick
CB1: Jimmy/ Tavon/ Canady
CB2: Carr/ Tavon/ draft pick
CB3 (slot): Tavon/ draft pick/ Webb?
SS: Jefferson/ P.O./ draft pick
FS: Weddle/ Webb?/ draft pick

That looks like a number defense to me. Nobody should be able to run on that at all. Essentially replacing Webb with Tony is going to make the biggest difference with our run defense. Not to mention it's kicking Weddle back to FS most of the time, and even though Eric is a sure and good tackler, Tony is better, and a better blitzer.
And Suggs got hurt last year. If we combine a healthy Suggs ( probably a very motivated year for him, considering it's likely his last) with Takk or Barnett, our pass rush will be miles ahead of where it was last year. Z and Judon are awesome back ups. And we'll see if Kufasi can play the McPhee role on third downs. I don't think there will be a drop of at all losing Timmy. Not to mention we have a much better pick because of it, in the best draft I've ever seen. And I think it's clear we'll draft a pass rusher early.
In which case the open ILB spot is the only question mark. And as weird as it sounds, I think that's just about the easiest spot to fill on the defense, without spending a lot, or a high pick on it.(example-Orr) Especially, considering they'll be playing next to Mosely, and right in the middle of a bunch of ridiculously awesome players. I feel confident with P.O., K.C., or a draft pick from the 3rd round on taking that spot. Not to mention I have a feeling Ozzie is eyeing Foster. If we went Foster, and then Carl Lawson, our Defense would not only be back to the best, but it would be back to being completely feared. And for good reason. I can't wait for this draft, and I can't wait to watch our defense.

Jeez that's a lot to take in.  I understand having some optimism but dial it down a bit until we've at least seen some preseason snaps with this defense.   

Upfront we've only seen B.Will, Urban & Pierce, while I'm sure at least one of three Kaufusi, Henry or Davis will step up and contribute, I can't throw praise their way just yet.  Henry was a 4th round pick and he essentially got beat out for playing time by Pierce an undrafted rookie FA.  

The team decided to not even bother taking C.Davis off of IR when he was healthy, they decided to bring back Elam instead. Sure we could say hey the secondary had needs and that would suffice for an answer but still. 

I do believe a veteran and/or draft pick will be added into the mix.. 

I'm all for praising M.Judon but Z.Smith took three steps backwards last year. His pass rush was nonexistent most of the time, his edge setting is average at best I was really disappointed in his development for his sophomore season. 

He definitely needs to get stronger at the point of attack and work on more pass rush moves. 

There's 5 players ( Pierce, Urban, Davis, Henry, & Kaufusi) with 2 spots available , so whoever earns the starting jobs will deserve them. 

To me the early favorites are Urban and Pierce I hope these guys all push each other  to be great. 

In the past I've read similar things about D.Tyson, KLM and even C.Davis his rookie year, so I'm just hoping potential and expectations can meet and turn into production and consistency. 

14 hours ago, BiggMack91 said:

talk is cheap but with our secondary we should avg. 5 sacks a game an should at least get one int. a game this is going to be a scary D

Dude 5 sacks a game is a bit much!  That would be 80 sacks for the entire season.

The 84 bears have the record with 72 sacks in a season. 

Here's a look at the last 5 seasons for Team Sack Leaders : 

2016- 48 sacks Cardinals

2015- 52 sacks Broncos

2014- 54 sacks Bills 

2013- 60 sacks Panthers

2012- 52 sacks tie Broncos & Rams 

So a more reasonable expectation is 3 to 3.5 sacks a game. 

4 hours ago, Austinrs21 said:

He didn't say they only drafted one WR in first round, he said they only used their TOP PICK on a WR once. Like you said Jamal was our top pick that year.

Semantics!

5 minutes ago, jdynamite said:

I read the first couple of sentences and stopped because this guy works for the Ravens and he wrote for the first 19 years the Ravens only drafted one WR in the first round Mark Clayton.

 

So that means that Travis Taylor was never drafted? 

The same T.Taylor from Florida that was apart of the 2000-2001 Super Bowl team. 

You know Jamal Lewis pick number 5 and Travis Taylor was pick 10 in 2000 draft. 

I get he never developed into anything special but get the facts straight at least. I mean I knew this without researching. 

I decided to go and look both up Travis Taylor actually has better career stats than Mark Clayton too, not by much but still. 

T.Taylor 312 rec, 4017 yds, 22 tds 

M.Clayton 260 rec, 3448 yds, 14 tds 

I read the first couple of sentences and stopped because this guy works for the Ravens and he wrote for the first 19 years the Ravens only drafted one WR in the first round Mark Clayton.

So that means that Travis Taylor was never drafted? 

The same T.Taylor from Florida that was apart of the 2000-2001 Super Bowl team. 

You know Jamal Lewis pick number 5 and Travis Taylor was pick 10 in 2000 draft. 

I get he never developed into anything special but get the facts straight at least. I mean I knew this without researching. 

Although it's extremely unlikely that either Jamal Adams or Malik Hooker will slip all the way to number #16, the Ravens would not pass up on either of those exceptional talents at that point. Weddle is 32 years old, I'd guess he has 2 really good years left in him then his play will decline. 

It would be up to Pees to find a way to use everyone. Heck the Cardinals rolled out Mathieu, Jefferson, Bucannon ( Safety and Linebacker ), Swearinger all at Safety, slot or inside as a "hybrid LB" at one point or another to accommodate the talent. 

I've had Hooker and even M.Lattimore fall in mocks on Fanspeak.com it's usually because of QBs being picked early pushing guys down the board. 

Similarly I'd image if Reuben Foster falls to #16 the Ravens might take him even though Correa is in place. The question then would be what does the team do with Correa to not waste him on the bench. 

8 hours ago, Space11jams said:

1st Rd - WR
2nd Rd - OLB
3rd Rd RB
3rd Rd CB
4th Rd OT
5th Rd OLB
6th Rd CB
7th Rd DE


wishful thinking here dont mind me lol

No 7th round pick as of now. 

5 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Yea but all those examples showed up as consistent playmakers prior to their contract years besides Kruger, in either a rotational role or as starters. 

That's not true Ellerbe was in the doghouse barely getting playing time for most of 2 seasons, after having a decent rookie year while rotating with McClain and T.Gooden.  There were articles written about Ellerbe's lack of playing ahead of McClain.  

McPhee had an outstanding rookie year, had fans here calling him mcphenom, then injuries and positional moves limited his production until his contract year. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Jernigan was going to become A.Donald next season.   

Most of us including myself found frustrations in his play at times since he would occasionally have a few dominant plays in game. So his flashes of dominance had everyone waiting for him to truly breakout whereas. 

Jernigan posted at least 20 total tackles and 4 sacks all 3 years that can't be said for McPhee, Kruger, or A.Jones. 

33 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think the issue here is the swap more than it is the trade. If we got a pick without giving up a pick and Jernigan then I think there would be more love for the move. People praise Belichick for making moves like this and this is that type of move. We dropped him while his value is at its highest. I'm not a fan of the move honestly because I'd like to keep the DL intact since we've lost guys at virtually every level of the defense this year and have a shakeup already but have only added to that. 

Thats exactly my feelings on both thoughts above. 

If the move was made and we secured their pick giving us three 3rd rounders, then I'm beyond ecstatic. I'm jumping around even if we parted with a 4th this year and next year's 5th rounder. 

Also I was already bummed that we lost L.Guy he played very well last year didn't get a ton of credit for it. 

This will give a bunch of young guys the opportunity to compete for 2 starting spots, Urban might be ready. Pierce had an excellent rookie year to build on. 

C.Davis, Kaufusi, W.Henry all have incompletes, there's barely even any Preseason film between those three and all coming from IR.

The draft might provide even more competition. 

2 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

Or he could have played like he did last year and just netted them fourth or fifth round comp pick. I like the move and Ravens moved up from  99th overall pick in the draft to having 75th overall pick in the draft which is win especially in deep defensive draft.

We've had a much higher percentage of players perform well on their contract year of their rookie deals than those that haven't. 

Off the top of my head: Ellerbe, Kruger, McPhee, A.Jones, Osemele, T.Smith  earned themselves big contracts elsewhere. 

One of the only guys to play significant time then leave following their rookie contract and not get paid is Upshaw. 

Just because he's been traded today doesn't mean I'm changing my tune. I felt Jernigan was going to take yet another step forward this year get about 8+ sacks this year. 

Now everyone like he faded at the end of last year, the entire defense faded at the end of last year. 

Three 3rd rounders would have be sweet though.  I had a big smile on my face until I saw we parted with the 99th.