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4 hours ago, huntrgathrr said:

Orr suffered a "stinger" in the Pittsburgh game. During the evaluation of that injury a congenital defect was found in his cervical vertebrae (neck) that put him at risk for a serious neck injury that could result in paralysis or worse. He was advised by the doctors to never play football again and to consider himself lucky he hadn't been seveerly injured.

Thank you.  I was clueless.   I'm glad for the young man they found it before a serious injury. But he worked so hard for his dream.  Nobody gave him a job he took it all the way to the pro bowl and leading tackler by a mile.  I hate to see him work so hard only to have that taken away as he was ascending tp the pinnacle of his game.  I'll keep him in my thoughts.  I doubt that matters much, but the Raven follow almost all their former players they are the kind of family once a Raven always a Raven, the Raiders bragged about being but never really were.   I really appreciate you taking the time to update me.   And Zach Fair Winds And Following Seas. 

On 3/14/2017 at 1:42 PM, The Greek said:

dean pees cost us in the 4th qtr by going into prevent defense when we have leads. wish we had gotten gus bradley or someone that is aggressive and shows no mercy like marvin lewis in 2000.

I agree with everything you say about building the team, except your assessment of Dean Pees compared to Gus Bradley.  Dean Pees runs an amazing defensive scheme.  It has so many checks and options that in 2013 Manning and Brady just lined up and ran plays otherwise they would be playing chess with Ray Lewis and Ed Reed in Dean Peas Defense.   Dan Quinn runs the same defense as Gus Bradley.  The fatal flaw in the defense is you can always determine if the defense is in zone or man.  That's how the Pats Isolated Atlanta's 4th corner and threw at him almost every play to come back and win.  Dean Pees couldn't make Sharice Wright or the other corners besides Smith run faster.  Dean Peas can only call the plays the players have to execute them.   And I think we are all ready better just by replacing Wright with Carr.  I'd like to add the 4.3 speed of Justin Gilbert for a veterans minimum contract.  He could be the difference in winning a Super Bowl  But as someone who played in a version of the Tampa 2 before it was the Tampa 2, I would much rather play in a scheme like dean Pees. The Tampa 2 was a Monty Kiffin defense right?    Well he was a complex 3-4 scheme in New Orleans but he used to come over the state line just to watch Texas high school games.  Quite a few of us played version of a 2 deep safety base look.  When Kiffin went to Tampa the team was so bad instead of trying to install his defense he put in a version of this 4-3 One gap rush, Two deep safety zone.  He tinkered with it and Rick McKay drafted for him and that'show a relatively common Texas high school and college defense became the Tampa 2.   Sorry I got off topic I hope it was ok I shared the story.

On 3/25/2017 at 9:02 AM, Drinkmore Beer said:

Rather take an edge rusher or WR in Round 1, then Sidney Jones in Round 2.

we're almost on the same page.  I'd rather take Peppers here, Sydney in the 2nd, Tabor in the 3rd who ran a 4.77 he has the yips about running the 40.   He is the best corner on tape in college in the 3rd pick he is a steal.  Then with the 4th you can select an interior rusher to play LE.  Round out the picks however you like.  Other than TJ Watt I don't see a player built like a Ravens 3-4 rusher.  draft best available the rest of the draft.   Sign the 24 year old 6' 200lbs 4.3 40yd dash running Justin Gilbert.  He was scapegoated out of Cleveland.  you can get a CB with Hall Of Fame talent for the veteran's minimum and he would love the structure of a team like the Ravens.   Unless we want to reach for another Elam to try to replace Weddle. When we can build a team with 7 players on the secondary who could all make the pro bowl in the same year.   I'm 46 this year for depth of quality safeties and corners of all shapes, speeds and sizes is an anomaly.  I've never seen one.

On 3/24/2017 at 1:43 PM, ravens4life86 said:

Peppers is nice but hes a rover. A rich mans Anthony Levine. Hes 215lbs so clearly too small to play Lbr on a every down nfl basis, Hes a S/Cb, situational Lbr.. but with Jefferson&Weddle signed why draft him possibly in rnd 1 to back up for a couple years.

Pass Rush is more pressing need. Barnett,TakMckinley,Harris etc

You draft him to give Dean Pees creative secondary packages.  I think he is a must draft.  What you just saw as a weakness, not having a defined position I see as a strength early in his career.   Until Weddle retires then he can step in and the Ravens don't have to reach for another safety like Elam who clearly hasn't worked out.  This draft is all about safeties and corners I hope our first 3 picks are Peppers, Sydney Pope & Teez Tabor.  Furthermore I hope we sign Justin Gilbert all 6' 200# and 4.3 40 time at age 24 with little wear on him scapegoated in Cleveland.  This could has the skills to be better than Revis on an actual football team with stability.   WRs, OLB edge rushers, OTs and RBs are thin and top heavy in this draft.   You have maybe 2 3-4 edge rushers and One HB that are can't miss.  I'm not sold on any of the O lineman   Interior D line is deep.  But you can get a vet WR, a couple of vet O linemen and maybe a vet 3-4 rusher after final cuts.   Ravens will be set to contend for a Superbowl, with a Defense than would make fans in Denver or Seattle drool. Especially in the young, long, speedy thumping, ball hawking versatile secondary.  Maybe the best the game has ever seen a year from now if you draft those great safeties and corners first and sign Gilbert to a vetmin.   With Peppers can also cover two athletic TE sets that teams like the Pats use.   Gronkowsky and Dwayne Allen.  Teams will try to copy that.   We will try to copy that.We will never have a chance to get this deep,this fast, this big, this good and young plus versatile in the secondary again.  Rhis draft is an anomaly I'm 46 and have never seen so many safeties with a 1st round grade.  Or different styles of corners with 1-3 round grades.   Not Ed Reed or Prime Time Sanders but you may get 35 10 year secondary starters or more in a game where the average career is less than 4 years.

12 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

@BOLDnPurPnBlacK I see what your saying and I do like cam Robinson because at worst he can still be an average gaurd. I just never like talking about ceilings. I don't like projecting what a guy can become because that's how you get yourself in trouble and the player ends up being a bust.

Fyi nobody ever truly believed the earth was flat. Theres nothing in scripts or history that suggests that everyone thought the earth was actually flat that's just something k-12 schools said because they got lazy. People did find ways to prove that the earth was round and it was more than 1 person, there were several. Just something interesting I thought you should know. 

I think this is a Twilight Zone year for drafting.   It's backwards.  I like Jabril Peppers in the 1st round, and in rd 2-3 The corners Sydney Pope from Washington who tore his achillies tendon and Teez Tabor who ran a 4.77 40.  Which is what Jarvis Landry ran.  Tabor plays faster.  He covers the number 1 WRs in the SEC so in college football and shuts them down.  His tape is the best tin college football.   Okay but we need some speed at corner this year.  No problem.   the 6' 200lb 4,3 40yd dash running Justin Gilbert who was drafted 8th overall by the 2014 Browns who drafted Mandiel were the height of dysfunction.  Gilbert never stood a chance. He made a great scapegoat until the ownerfired everyone and started over.  Which he does almost every year.  Gilbert can be had for the league minimum and would welcome the chance to play with theprofosionals and in the structure of a real team like the Ravens who develop players better than anyone. He is too young and has too much talent just to give up on.   On a vetmin contract he is the ultimate low risk, high reward.   Then you draft your linemen, your edge rushers.  It usually takes about 4 drafted players to get one starting pass rusher.  pick up vet cuts for the line and WR maybe a vet rusher while you're developing the rookies.  Then draft normal next year.  Bigs and rushers early, everything else later.   Ozzie has to see the best players in this draft aren't linemen.  Corner and safeties in the first 3-4 rounds plus Gilbert.  You can develop the best. most versatile secondary the NFL has ever seen.  Plus if you win the SB this year renting castoff players, we may end up winning 4 Superbowls with Flacco and we'll have the secondary in place to do it for a decade.  Big, fast, long, hard hitting, ball hawking.   Ed Reed will be proud.   But it's how you draft plus the key signing of Gilbert for nothing.

On 1/1/2017 at 10:03 AM, ravensnation5220 said:

Charlie Campbell from Walter football had us picking adoree jackson. Which, personally I'm happy with. The problem with it wasn't the pick. It was who was still available. Mike Williams went one pick later....lol. while Tim Williams went 30th (Maybe he thinks character concerns idk)

My personal choice would be Jabril Peppers.  With two small strings attached.   In the 2nd round take the CB Sydney Pope from Washington who was a top ten pick before tearing his achilles or take Teez Tabor.  I know he ran a 4.77 40 but just a couple of years ago Jarvis Landry ran the same 40, he plays me faster. Yabor is the best corner in the SEC which makes him the best corner in the country on tape.  The tape doesn't lie.  Vontaze Burfict fell from a hugh 1st rounder the top ilb in the draft, out of the draft over a poor 40 time.  He's gone to mutliple pro bowls for the Bengals.   Now the speed.  I want is to sign one more player.  Justin Gilbert the 8th overall pick in 2014 by the Browns.  He is 6'1" 210lbs and runs a 4.35 40.   And can be had for the league veteran minimum.  You put him with real coaching on a real team like the Ravens, he can have a career better than Revis.  And his first couple of years you'll get him for pennies.  Gilbert,Smith, Carr, Richardson and Weddle.  You have you have a secondary better than either SuperBowl Team had last year.  Then you can draft for the right side of the line and a couple of linebackers late.  The WRs are better and deeper next year.   There are only 4 good backs in the draft this year who are 3 down in December backs.  The first 3 WRs aren't a Julio Jones or an AJ Green.  You're more likely to get those guys next year.   And there are pass rushers from the edge every year.   It usually takes drafting about 4 to get one starter.   So build your defense and your O line this year, grab a couple of vet WRs late,maybe a pass rusher late in the cuts. Make sure you get your corners and safeties in this draft.  And beef up the O Line.  It needs 3 starters.   Likely 1-2 will be late vet cuts with talent to develop under them.But for God's sake don't just leave a young talent like Justin Gilbert sitting home when you can get him for the minimum.  Cleveland screws everybody up but Gordon who was already screwed up.

22 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Hmmm... looking at the adopted rule changes...

"Make actions to conserve time illegal after the two-minute warning warning of either half"

Does that include spiking the ball? The only goal of spiking the ball is literally to conserve time...

Or stepping out of bounds?

OK, this latter was a joke. But the first one is interesting.

If they wanted to shorten the games, they could always cut commercials.   I wonder if this applies to using timeouts or running down the play clock?  Without further explanation this rule seems geared more towards shortening games in a pass happy league to keep games on their TV schedules from running over.   It just sounds like they are making new Coke out of football.  If you aren't old enough to remember that disaster, consider yourself lucky.

6 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

Interesting...I think Timmy is probably a better player than Parker though.

Timmy is perfect for a Tampa 2 Team.   He'd be perfect in Tampa but they have almost nothing to give back in return.   Unless you could do a 3 way deal.  Where Tampa gave someone like San Fran, Doug Martin, Timmy went to Tampa and Ahmad Brooks came to the Ravens.  Unless they could dump a running back on the Giants.  Give us a 3rd rd pick.  And we could use the cap space to get a Victor Cruz and Quan.  Plus of course I still want Justin Gilbert the corner who never fit with the Browns, then again who has.  All  6'1"  210lbs and his 4.3 40 speed. all for the league minimum. I was hoping to sign Claibourne and nobody is even looking at Justin Gilbert.  Coached up the Raven way that would have been 3 number one corners under 30.  But we can still steal Gilbert for the league minimum.  I'm wondering If Quon doesn't want to come back, why haven't we looked at Vincent Jackson who the Bucs released.  A big tough WR Weddle played with as a charger?  Or why not go crazy.   The Cardinals don't want Fitz at his current salary and he is upset about WR cuts for money.   Why not Package Timmy and a draft pick or 2 for Larry?  I bet he would take a pay cut to come here and win a Super Bowl.   and after losing Campbell The Cards are hungry for any pass rushers even a natural 3 technique like Timmy.

21 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

Wright was a huge piece last year in Jimmy Smith's absence and did a decent job but definitely not as good as many expected. Kendrick Lewis was a good special teams player and a good #3 safety. I would definitely have them as key offseason losses. Two big spots that need to be filled. Looks like Carr will replace Wright but still remains to be unseen who will be the #3 safety.

Wright often was the guy beaten for the game losing play.  I hope they bring Webb back as the number 3 safety.  If not a guy like Jabril Peppers who can play everywhere would be nice if he is still on the board. Ravens have 4 picks in the top 100.   The corner with the torn ACL will be available in round 2 and so might Teez Tabor who is the best corner on tape regardless of 40 time in the draft.   Speaking of Corners and 40 times I wish the Ravens would bring in Justin Gilbert..  Who ran a 4.3 40 and he failed in Cleveland.  So have a lot of guys.   The Ravens pride themselves on keeping players in line and doing it the right way.   Justin Gilbert is a number 1 shutdown corner you can get for the league veteran minimum.   Then you let Ozzie work his magic in the draft for offensive linemen, pass rushers and maybe a WR or two.    But if you add Gilbert, her works out, Peppers in the 1st round.  a corner for depth in the 2nd then let Ozzie go find pass rushers, O linemen for the right side and a late WR or two and with Quan coming back you have a Super Bowl Team.    Getting Gilbert and Peppers both who can play all 7 positions the 6 DB and Money Backer rgen go corner in the 2nd it will be like having 3 number one corners and the replacement for Weddle when he is ready to retire.  Until then 4 corners who can cover anyone.    I really wanted The other Cowboy corner who signed with the Jets for what the Ravens offered.  But having Carr, Smilth, Justin Gilbert for the league minimum, Weddle and Jefferson you have your secondary set barring injury for 2017. You can get better WRs early next year.   If Watt slips into round 2 he is a perfect Ravens pass rusher.   Size and motor.   But pass rushers are there every year.   You usually have to draft four to get 1 or two.   This is a year to load up on the secondary.    Drafts this deep in quality safeties and corners is very rare.  There may not be a Prime Time or Ed Reed but there are guys who can lock down the other team's number one wr for the next ten years.   or hold down both safeties for the next 13 years.   And Justin Gilbert has HOF skills if the Ravens can hone them, what a steal he could hold down anyone in the league, perhaps even Julio Jones for the next 7 years.  He has the talent to be better than Revis.   The Ravens can get his head right and pay him pennies for the first two years or so.

On 3/28/2017 at 3:18 PM, BR News said:

The starting weak-side linebacker role unexpectedly became vacant with Zachary Orr's retirement, but his replacement may already be on the roster.

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can anyone tell me why Zac Orr retired?   Down in Texas I struggle to get Ravens news.  But this was a shocker.   Orr and Mosley were the best pair of inside linebackers football has seen in years.  And were set to be a pair of pro bowlers for years. 

I was thinking abut how to get the Ravens best eleven on the field to create mismatches.  This led me to some ideas from Atlanta.   The Ravens almost always carry a pure return man.  The best two left are Reggie Bush and Percy Harvin.   Harvin is a headcase.   Bush would give Flacco two backs he could split wide at the same time Dont'a Hightower can't run with either.   Speaking of Bush that draft had a pass rusher named Mario Williams.    Imagine a 4-2-5 sub package that featured Williams at RE,  Brandon lined and Timmy J lined up inside with Sizzle in the motorcycle stance rushing as an LOLB not unlike Beasley in ATL who led the league in sacks last year.    And those two players can be had for less than a kicker.   Maybe the Veteran minimum.   You also may get the big WR in Vincent Jackson at the veteran Minimum recruited by Weddle to win the Super Bowl.   What makes this 4-2-5 unique is the makeup.   Actually with Sizzle being an LB it's a 3-3-5   Our Two Middle linebackers are the best tandem in the game.  The both can run, cover, tackle,blitz then to add 2strong safeties who can almost mirror each other except Jefferson is faster and better in coverage.  And a corner turned free safety who can still cover, knows the defense, can tackle has great ball skills and won't let anyone run by him because was out of position if we bring Webb back.   And finally two corners to do what you need corners to do in a zone defense, not get beat deep or physically manhandled.   It would be interesting.     And getting  Mario Williams on a one year, league minimum to win the SuperBowl contract should be easy.  Same with Vincent Jackson.    And Reggie Bush hasn't even been able to get on the field.   I'm sure he'd jump at a return man, possible sub package guy.

Besides Boldin there's another big physical WR Vincent Jackson who played in San Diego before Tampa.   The FA Tenders are wasted on average players.  Pull them all get a Morris Cliaborne to pair with Jimmy Smith,   Brandon Carr, Brandon Flowers, all kinds of bridge corners are available.  Morris isn't a bridge.   He is a ling term solution.  Want another safety I would love to have Webb back because of his cover skills.   But a nice bridge option is Jairus Byrd.   Talk to Flacco about redoing his deal for salary cap relief this year.  I'm  sure he would if it meant bringing in these guys and maybe a Revis and a Victor Cruz,possibly an AP?   To win this year?    You can get a Boykin cheap as a slot or chase corner.    But with Morris and one more the team would be set.   Boldin and/ or Vincent Jackson as a big target.   Put the word out people.

Morris Claiborne

Vincent Jackson

Ryan Clady

Anquan Boldin

Revis, Carr, Flowers etc.

Jairus Byrd and or Webb

Victor Cruz

Cut loose all the tenders.  Aiken etc will never be better than average, cut them, loose.  Use the money on quality youth and bridge players like above.  please repeat them by name.