3 minutes ago, K-Dog said:I didn't read the thread, but can someone just answer this one question for me?
Is Brandon Williams going to get the Flacco treatment and get blamed for every failed signing for the next five years ?
I don't think so, I remember that the way his contract was structured was a little bit safer than Flacco's.
On 3/13/2017 at 6:27 PM, Tru11 said:BTW Williams cap hit for this season is only 6 mil which is not to bad.
It will go up to 11 mil next season.After that season if he plays poorly he can be cut post june saving almost 10 mil in cap space with only 2.5 mil in dead money for the next seasons.
1 season at 6 mil then 2 at 11 before he can become a cut casualty.
that people actually cry about this is beyond me...
On 3/13/2017 at 6:43 PM, Tru11 said:its after the 2019 season though.
my bad on that.after 2018 we can cut him without saving or losing any cap.
basicially a 3 year deal.
This is what I was looking for. Doesn't leave us in a bad situation if he starts to become a nuisance.
12 minutes ago, allblackraven said:Young seems good but his natural spot is nickel and he would be able to cover the sideline in a pinch but we really need to get a long, fast guy opposite Jimmy.
I think we easily find that in Claiborne or in the draft. Sure Claiborne's re-injury chance is a threat but that's where the draft comes in.
6 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:Homeboy wants to hop on claibornes case about a big game that he didn't even play in, but forgets about ...
I don't think one bad play is a good indicator of a player at all, but I still don't see Butler being as good as Claiborne. I think we could get more out of Humphrey.
11 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:Well, Claiborne didn't play that game...
Psh... sounds like he could have played better to me. I bet Ozzie's striking a deal with the Pats right now and shipping off everything we got for the GOAT Butler.
23 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:Id honestly prefer Haason Riddick over foster. He brings more to the table and can cover better than foster. He's better suited for today's NFL, I think foster could be a bit hyped up because he came from Bama and all those big hits he makes.
I haven't seen much of Reddick/Riddick so I can't say anything in that regard, but I think Foster will make teams hesitate to come his way.
2 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:Every year we do not make the playoffs is a rebuilding year. Bad contracts, cap hell, bad high round pivks up to last year, has gotten us into trouble.
I like the fact that we are bringing free agents like Weddle who have football brains along with talent.
We should be looking for intelligent players on every level of our team.
I would like to see a top pass rush prospect, a top center, a top cb, and a top wr to boost this team over the hump.
I think with Zuttah getting a probowl nod as 5th in a field of 5, getting pancaked and pushed around during the reg season, gives a false sense of security.
A top Center will make this team go both in the running game, and passing game. Alex Lewis will most likely go to Rt, a guard pickup would help too.
Expanding on the veteran thing, I also like that we can get guys like Weddle to teach the defensive rookies we bring in. I think we'll try our best to keep Lewis at G if we can though, but it has yet to be seen that we can spare that.
17 minutes ago, Martin Maryland said:Big picture factor
Like it or not, the Road to Superbowl goes through New England,
So there is a strong possibility Flacco and our WR's will be going against Gilmore & Butler.
Brady's bunch against Ravens Jimmy Smith(if healthy) and maybe? Claiborne? (if healthy).
I don't like our odds,
Imagine this scenario.
Somehow Ravens pry Butler away from NE and we could have
Flacco & Co. going against Gilmore & whoever/rookie?
Brady & Co. going against
Smith & Butler.
Much better odds, like it a lot.
That is the point I'm trying to get a cross. Not only Butler is better than Claiborne, but we also weaken our rival by this move.
"Weaken our rival" in what way? By sending them a 16th overall pick that we could put to better use than taking Butler anyway? The Pats could take BPA in the first and become EVEN BETTER if they strike gold (less likely to happen with the 32nd pick in the second), while replacing Butler with the depth at CB in this draft being so rich. I'm still not sure that Butler's play isn't just because of the talent he's surrounded by.
22 minutes ago, RobertLRenfroJR@Gmail.com said:Besides Boldin there's another big physical WR Vincent Jackson who played in San Diego before Tampa. The FA Tenders are wasted on average players. Pull them all get a Morris Cliaborne to pair with Jimmy Smith, Brandon Carr, Brandon Flowers, all kinds of bridge corners are available. Morris isn't a bridge. He is a ling term solution. Want another safety I would love to have Webb back because of his cover skills. But a nice bridge option is Jairus Byrd. Talk to Flacco about redoing his deal for salary cap relief this year. I'm sure he would if it meant bringing in these guys and maybe a Revis and a Victor Cruz,possibly an AP? To win this year? You can get a Boykin cheap as a slot or chase corner. But with Morris and one more the team would be set. Boldin and/ or Vincent Jackson as a big target. Put the word out people.
Morris Claiborne
Vincent Jackson
Ryan Clady
Anquan Boldin
Revis, Carr, Flowers etc.
Jairus Byrd and or Webb
Victor Cruz
Cut loose all the tenders. Aiken etc will never be better than average, cut them, loose. Use the money on quality youth and bridge players like above. please repeat them by name.
No way AP touches our rosters with his past. Keep in mind our salary cap too, we can't afford to take just anyone and everyone in FA that could fill a hole. Ozzie himself said our main method of filling holes this year will be through the draft, I strongly doubt we take a CB besides Morris in FA (even if we don't grab him, we could afford to only take from the draft) unless there's a good deal on a player. Some of the guys mentioned (specifically Revis) probably won't live up to their past ability, and we could use younger guys.
3 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:I have that gut feeling Reubon Foster falls to the Ravens after the combine. I feel like with the talent in this draft I think teams will surprise people and there will be a huge run on cornerbacks and quarterbacks before the Ravens. Plus if you really have to question a person's character you will likely trust a person you don't have to question rather than him.
Corners are more valuable in the NFL today as well, I think the Ravens score big. Gut feeling.
Oh man I hope he drops. Great safety and LB tandem at that point, as well as probably getting a good CB given the draft depth and Claiborne in FA.
26 minutes ago, acosta2277 said:I don't see many people freaking out like I am about our depth at the inside linebacker position. We have an obvious star in CJ but other than that who do we have? Are we actually confident in guys like Levine to play linebacker or guys like Correa to go from not seeing the field to starter? After Orr retired I started to panic, and since then, it seems like everybody has forgotten about the fact that we need someone to play next to CJ.
The point of this post is to get your opinion about player that can fill our NEED at ILB?
Free Agents: I like
Zach Brown, Buffalo
Kevin Minter, Arizona
Dont'a Hightower, New England
Draft:
Reuben Foster, Alabama
Jarrad Davis, Florida
Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt
Jabrill Peppers, Michigan
Also, do you guys see Jabrill Peppers as a possibly inside linebacker? The NFL has been transitioning to smaller coverage linebackers, especially teams who play a 3-4 defense. Look at all the success that Deone Bucannon has had in Arizona, and players like Mark Barron moving to ILB for the Rams. What do you guys think?
If Foster falls then absolutely I'd love him on the team. I just don't think it's such a desperate need that we need to spend an early pick on it, especially considering the holes that really need filling. We'll get a guy late/as an UDFA if we don't feel like Correa can perform, but he's still young.
Just now, ravensnation5220 said:I just see Howard as a generational talent. I think he can be the best tight end in the league it's just that we dont value tight ends that high in the NFL. I'm afraid foster could be a product of Bamas system and I'm a bama guy. I mean it took foster 2 years to start and I think they simplified things for him. As for Williams, I think receivers are overrated in the NFL. You can win without them and Williams is pretty one dimensional to me. He's not a top flight receiver and I don't think his roof is as high as people like.
I just think Howard was underutilized at Bama, he does everything well and has no concerns off the feild. He maintained a 4.0 GPA as well. Foster has that nagging shoulder and the incedent at the combine doesn't bode well for him either. He also had questions coming out of high school.
Howard just has the highest ceiling and has the highest floor of the 3. In my eyes at least
Howard would give Flacco a freak of an athlete that he could definitely use. He's also a great blocker, I really don't think anyone can go wrong with him, as long as he's utilized better than we used him at Bama.
1 hour ago, Martin Maryland said:Well, Saints are courting Butler for visit and are willing to trade their 1st rounder(#11).
Contrary to the popular and based on Ravens history of 1st round picks in the past few years, trading our #16 for Butler would help the team with revolving door at cornerback position. It would solidify the weakest spot on this defense now, not few years later, when Sizzle be retiring. I certainly believe we should draft CB in this draft, but we don't have to use the 1st rounder.
Remember Elam, Cody, Kindle, all of those were drafted by Ravens in 1st round. The fact is, our 2nd, 3rd & 4th rounders made more impact and some turned into Pro Bowlers. Remember, we drafted CB.Webb in 3rd and Seahawks drafted Sherman in 5th?
Like @hn68wb4 said, OLB is the biggest problem as of now. I really hope Judon steps up, I like what I see in terms of potential. But back on topic, we have zero reason to trade for Butler, let alone give NE a first rounder. Claiborne makes Butler obsolete given the current situation, and with the CBs in this draft I think we can hit gold in the first round, corner or not. Also consider that we don't have to talk about first round CB vs. Butler in terms of who improves us the most, BPA could be someone incredible.
6 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:I agree I really want Webb back. Having 3 top 15 safeties makes me drool. And if Peppers was taken he could be used as a ILB more than SS. He may be small but I think he would be decent in coverage, Mosley basically is a one man running game stopper. Need more of a guy in coverage. I think that is why Orr had such a breakout year.
I also think Peppers wouldn't be bad as a FS. That's what makes his stock so high, we can throw him in a lot of places and I don't see him having many issues.
5 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:Before Webb got cut I would say no there probably was no chance.... But now that Webb is gone, the Ravens could still use Peppers as the #3 safety and have 3 safeties on the field. All built like strong safeties and would be able to drop them into coverage or down into the box and confuse defenses.
Ultimately though, I don't think the Ravens pick him unless he is there at 48, which I highly doubt.
I think we're still possibly going to resign Webb. I didn't see a timetable given as to when, but it doesn't completely take Peppers out of the equation.
10 minutes ago, January J said:I think for me its
Barnett> Lattimore> Foster>Williams>Fournette>Adams> Davis
I know many would think that's crazy but with our situation at safety I think we have to take that into consideration.
Pass rusher is the first priority if a guy like Barnett is there. Then comes CB if arguably the top rated Lattimore is there. Foster is a no brainer and fills an indirect need with the departure of Orr..that would give us the top lb duo in the league along with safety and a stout D line. Mike Williams would be next being the top WR candidate who fits the mold to a T of what we need in s receiver. Fournette would be a game changer and give us that guy that teams have to game plan for. Becomes slightly more of a need with Dixon getting suspended.. Not a huge deal but if West went down with an injury we'd be in some trouble. For that reason I'd have to put him in front. Lastly I'd take Adams before Davis. Davis is great but he's the one guy out of all these players who's not seen as a top ten lock. It would be so hard to pass on Adams in these scenarios and it may not be the right move - just my opinion that we're so close to becoming a real contender- we just have to fill the two positions that have absolutely plagued us since 2013...cornerback and pass rusher. If I didn't think we couldn't get atleast another 3 solid years from Weddle I'd take Adams in a heartbeat over all these guys. I just think we're set there- and he's always been pretty durable. Knock on wood. Also if we can bring Webby back at a reduced number he will be very good depth at safety.
I honestly think Barnett and Davis have a pretty legitimate chance at sliding to us (compared to others). If they did I'd take Barnett in a heartbeat.
15 minutes ago, ravensdan said:The offensive line is the biggest issue on the team. By far.
Exactly why our offense struggles, and that'll be furthered by those we lost in FA. It's fun to look at guys that make big plays and are fun to watch, but we have to remember why our run game isn't near peak performance. Sad too, I feel like Dixon showed big playmaking potential.
Just now, rayven98 said:I was just looking at the fact that our 2nd round picks have been pretty bad and potentially getting a high 1st round pick later in the draft could be great.
(This assumes he's going in the second round) I've heard people exploring trading back if Jones falls to us in the second, hoping to get him on the second round pick we got in the trade, then using the later pick(s) to fill more holes. We'd still probably get another CB anyway just to have one if we need one to play in a heartbeat, but it also depends on the content of the trade. I'm not too sure about this scenario however, I think some teams might have even gained interest on him if they could afford to wait on his recovery and then use the first pick on someone else and capitalize on a first round talent in the second. I couldn't tell you how I feel about this though given all the possibilities that could ensue with different pick value in the trade, who we trade with, Jones being picked after we already traded, what's available besides Jones when we're on the board, etc.
49 minutes ago, purpletide said:Not sure when he's projected after that injury, but I strongly doubt we take him. Good player but we have other needs to address early, and when picking up a CB, we'll need someone that could jump in immediately, whether it be at the start of the season or the middle or wherever. A team with less important needs at holes to fill or a team with a strong secondary will likely pick him up in the second. I don't think we can afford to pick him up just to wait on him if we need him and wait on other positions that could use some work as well.
However, I'm also still going off hearing that he might miss 8-12 months. Not sure that it changes much though, he'll miss training camp and preseason definitely as well as probably missing some regular season games.
2 minutes ago, allblackraven said:If that happens, what are the odds he survives training camp?
Just now, SepticeyePoe said:I would really like our defense if we sign him and he can stay healthy.
That's why I still like taking an early CB. Further insure that we don't get torched constantly after even one guy goes down.
1 hour ago, Martin Maryland said:To be the Top Defense in 2017 Ravens need Shutdown Corner. Besides #22 Jimmy Smith, Ravens do not have elite cornerback. I would like to see Eric DeCosta & Ozzie Newsome to try to make a deal on Patriots CB Malcolm Butler. We know Pat's traded away their 1st rounder to NO, so their first pick will be at #64. I see an opportunity for Ravens here. Could we make a deal to trade our 1st rounder for Butler? Could we make our secondary better than Seahawks or Broncos?
I don't see the point in letting the Patriots get 16th pick just for Butler. Not to harp on his skills but if we pick up a CB early in the draft, that's a better scenario than getting Butler with just a possibility of picking up Claiborne either way. As I'm sure you've heard, this is a very deep draft class and we could even afford to take a CB in rounds 1 through maybe even 3 while addressing other needs such as edge, WR, O-line, or just grab a game-breaking BPA in the first round in place of Butler's trade. This proposed trade gives NE 16th pick for a non-upgrade, with us further hurting at other positions. Not to gang up on you and I see that ATM you only have 2 posts, but that's the good thing about the forums I guess. Get to challenge your perspective.
5 minutes ago, rayven98 said:With our history in the 2nd round if he is still there I would take him. Should be back sometime during the season and may be a boost for stretch run. Does he even last until the ravens pick in the 2nd?
Not sure when he's projected after that injury, but I strongly doubt we take him. Good player but we have other needs to address early, and when picking up a CB, we'll need someone that could jump in immediately, whether it be at the start of the season or the middle or wherever. A team with less important needs at holes to fill or a team with a strong secondary will likely pick him up in the second. I don't think we can afford to pick him up just to wait on him if we need him and wait on other positions that could use some work as well.
28 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:I don't think he's been mentioned much on the board and he got snubbed from the combine, but there's a great cover linebacker from Kansas State named Elijah Lee. Good in zone and man coverage, has some real ball skills, and can defend from sideline to sideline. The downside is that he's not the most physical guy and won't help too much against runs up the middle at the NFL level. However, he's playing behind guys like Piece and Williams, and will have Mosley next to him, so we're not hurting for physical run defenders up the middle.
Also projected late rounder/UDFA if I'm not mistaken, so we're not taking a big risk either way.
17 minutes ago, jbwnbf said:Ravens just opened up more cap space
https://twitter.com/jamisonhensley/status/841409016261705728
You know how much we got for spending?
18 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:For guys that could believably be available at 16, my top options are Barnett and Corey Davis. For me, it's either those two, one that surprisingly slipped, or a trade back.
I don't want a WR in the first round, but I'd make an exception for Davis. Dudes got hands.
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Do you know when Watt is projected? I don't see Humphrey sliding to mid second.