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    2 minutes ago, NebraskaRavensFan44 said:

     

    Hopefully a team takes John Ross for that 40 time, ahead of either Williams or Davis so they can fall to us. Just like in 2013 when Tavon Austin went ahead of DeAndre Hopkins.

    I honestly think we have a very legitimate chance of landing Davis. Teams would like to have that speed guy in Ross, and I don't see Davis having a chance of going before Williams.

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    4 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

    i think lewis's problem is more that it's a switch of sides than a switch to tackle because he did ok covering for ronnie stanley for those 4 games at left tackle

    True. Nonetheless we'll see how the draft goes and adjust accordingly. I think Lewis can do it given time to adjust.

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    16 minutes ago, raven94 said:

    Your points are valid, certainly. You actually hit my ideal scenario on the head. Trade back with Houston. That's 9 draft spots, which is huge and garner's a lot of collateral. I've been using the draft slot points system, or whatever its called, and trading back with the lions or texans would do the trick and that would net a late 1st and either a 2nd, or a 3rd and a 4th packaged together. I honestly like the idea of getting a 3 and a 4. Trading that far back would do it. But at the same time there's a couple of realities here that I'm still trying to grasp. A) You only need one player at a position to come in and be exceptional and that can change your whole team (I always try to fill in the holes). B). Sometimes a player is worth not trading back for, I like having more picks so you have greater odds to hit on a prospect and get a good player, but let's face it if peyton manning is there you take peyton manning and move on. Bare with me here, these two concepts I struggle with sometimes

    When you break it down I think that we could definitely fill holes without trading back, but as you said we're more likely to properly fill a hole with more players brought in. I see us taking BPA in the first round though, I feel like there's some sliding potential on a few.

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    2 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

    Yeah don't get the talk of moving Yanda to RT, I mean Yanda is decent there but he is so much more valuable at Guard.

    Plus Lewis is young, he can learn to play T if there's really no other option and stay there in the future.

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    Just now, ellicottraven said:

    So Zuttah gone with at least jumping up 14-15 spots in the 6th. Something for getting rid of him I suppose. Now who? I am praying we make a run at Mangold because Jensen and Math guy are not good options imho.

    "math guy" lol. Yeah I think Mangold would fit us fine, more than Zuttah by the looks of it.

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    2 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

    for me - if you assume that garrett, adams, hooker, lattimore, fournette, allen and a couple of qbs (or 1 and dalvin cook as well) go before the pick then i could see us getting the leftovers of williams, williams, davis, thomas, robinson, foster, barnett, harris

    I still think Humphrey is reasonable considering I see 2 corners going before him

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    13 minutes ago, raven94 said:

    I honestly think we should trade down regardless of who is there (go ahead and chastise me for that). My reasoning is that this is a loaded class from round 1 to round 5. Unfortunately this is a year where the Ravens only have 7 total picks (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and a 6th), and it also seems to me that suddenly the Ravens have a surplus of holes; C, RT, OLB/pass rusher, CB, DL depth, OL depth, WR. Hell, before free agency there were times where it seemed like we needed a whole new team (according to a few people). Anyway I feel like we will get a stud in the first round at really any pick 1-32, so I've been on board with trading down and getting more picks to really get a large class of stars. We can easily get a pro bowl corner, pass rusher, and pass catcher or OL in this class alone along with some solid starters who can really round out the team. I think we should trade down into the 20's and get an extra 2nd, or an extra 3 and 4. I'm thinking of creating some threads that address whether we should go more offense in the draft or go more defense, as well as some prospect analysis, and 3rd and 4th round prospects

    CB is very deep this year, WR and O-line not so much. If Corey Davis falls to us (or really anyone that slides that could contribute), I don't see any reason to trade back. I'm definitely not against trading back though, there's just too many factors to go ahead and say that trading will yield the best results. FAs that we could have an interest in are still out there, for instance we might pick up Mangold (just an example), then we don't need a C as badly so we can afford to take a BPA without as much risk. Depth can be found in a lot of ways, we could pick up some UDFAs and have them through training camp and the preseason just to try them out and have some young guys if the need is that bad. Don't get me wrong I like your idea of trying to maximize the gain we get from this class but I only really see a guaranteed good result from the CBs in this draft. I guess we can only really judge once we've seen what players are left on the board.

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    4 hours ago, mg90 said:

    I see this as a popular suggestion, but I don't really get it. Zuttah was at least average last year and Mangold is aging and coming off an injured year. To me this is a high risk low reward situation, given that Zuttah has been serviceable.

    I was more referring to us needing to pick up another O-lineman, not specifically Mangold. I do think that getting Mangold is a good idea however, assuming we don't throw a ton of money his way. Not a long term solution, but its a start.

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    1 hour ago, Martin Maryland said:

    Reasonable thinking I can somewhat agree with. Picking a 1st rounder could be a crapshoot,  you could get someone like Mosley or someone like Elam, who knows? We need immediate impact starter and that might take year or two. Or we might get lucky, but I think it's really 50/50 odds.

    If I was gonna trade the 1st rounder for Butler I would certainly want their 3rd rounder as well. 

    But it seems as he will be signing with Saints for their 1st rounder on Thursday, so it's a mute point.

    I'm still not sold on spending boatload of money on injury prone Claiborne. 1 year prove-it deal maybe.

     

    Taking a third rounder and Butler is more reasonable, but as you said it doesn't matter anyway. Also keep in mind Elam was the 32nd overall pick (in 2013, which was a garbage draft as a whole) and Mosley was 17th. I did talk Claiborne up more than what I actually think he'll bring to the team, I don't like his injury history and that makes me unsure of what his future with us will actually be like if we do sign him. That's why I still like a CB in the early rounds, and I'm confident that Ozzie will see that forking over a ton of cash for Claiborne is a bad idea. It's definitely not guaranteed that we even pick up Claiborne but I'm pretty sure we will, and as long as the contract's reasonable I don't think we could go wrong with having another potentially good CB.

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    1 hour ago, jboy19 said:

    I'm still not sleeping on Correa inside on 1st/2nd Down and Levine playing nickel linebacker on passing downs. I believe that may have been the plan for that last year if Orr hadn't broken out. Between Correa/Levine and Onwuasor, I feel pretty confident with the bodies at that position (granted I never bothered to reexamine the Week 17 Bengals game to see how Onwuasor really did). 

    I agree, but I'd still gladly take Foster if he slides. I also believe people are counting Judon out too quickly on the edge. I know we're looking for the edge to replace Suggs, but I really think Judon will step up just fine in Doom's place.

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    1 hour ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

    Let's trade our 6th round pick to Cleveland for Josh Gordon if he's reinstated. He needs a  fresh start and has showed he's a #1 receiver.

    I read that he's a RFA somewhere, so no trade required. I'm down, his past issues/violations are manageable and he's young and could use guidance. I wouldn't be near as forgiving if he had violent crimes on his record or showed that he's legitimately a dangerous person. I have no doubt that he's a good player and we could use that low cost/risk high reward guy this offseason. We need to improve our offense step by step, and I like this move.

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    16 minutes ago, January J said:

    Makes sense. We are just on max overload at the position lol... A lot of young potential but none of them have taken that next step. Would be nice if we could trade one and atleast get some compensation. Think there'd be any interest in pitta or maxx?

    I'd like Howard for the fact that Flacco doesn't have that freak of an athlete that can stack up YAC even if you just dump it off at/behind the line. Not sure what offers Pitta or Maxx collects in the market, but Pitta's already accepted 2 pay cuts just to stay with us. I'd feel dirty trading him especially being Flacco's favorite target.

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    11 hours ago, Martin Maryland said:

    OK.  if you read my statement, I said what Aaron Rodgers did to Cowboys secondary. Claiborne wasn't there, because he was hurt. I was referring to Rodgers who we will be playing against this season. 

    Facts

    Butler, 27, played all 16 games plus playoffs in last 3 seasons.

    2 Superbowl rings, Suoerbowl game wiining play against Seahawks, but twisted his ankle on one play against Atlanta, BTW, shut them down rest of the game, and won, again.

    Claiborne, 27, never played full 16 games in 5 seasons. No playoff experience.

    So, in this scenario, Ravens in a tight playoff game up by a point, in the 4 the quarter, with 2 min on the clock and opposing team NE has the ball, who do I want? I want Jimmy Smith as my CB1,, Tavon Young inside covering  Edelnan slot and on the other side CB2 Malcolm Butler, playmaker, covering lacrosse player name Hogan to prevent him from scoring TD on us. 

    Call me what you want, but I'm old school, and I use 2000 Ravens Superbowl Greatest Defense of NFL as measuring stick.

    So, with that mindset, Yes, I might be considered too critical. I also understand the price of Butler versus Claiborne, but I also understand what it takes to build Championship Caliber defense.

     

     

    Pats are obviously better than the Cowboys, so the playoffs thing doesn't matter when it's almost guaranteed. If you can brush off the play that Butler got torched for a TD, then we can also take off the game-winning play in which it seemed like Wilson was throwing there anyway, and Butler was just in the right position. It boils down to Claiborne and Butler having pretty much the same amount of skill (from what I see), but if we go the Claiborne route then we also get a first rounder without giving the reigning SB champs the 16th overall pick. Having a 1st-3rd round CB and Claiborne is far better than just Butler (and again I can't get over how stupid it is to give NE 16th pick given what all we need to work on). As I said before we would love to have a BPA slider in the first that you couldn't match in the second round if everything lines up.

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    1 minute ago, ravensnation5220 said:

    Ya idk about Humphrey falling that far. Height, weight, speed corners who play physical don't last long in the draft. It's also a reason why I see Conley and Moreau going earlier than people expect

    How do you feel about the rest of the draft? I don't know how I feel about taking a WR in the 6th, but I haven't looked into the later round prospects as much.

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    1 minute ago, rossihunter2 said:

    as much as i personally prefer watt to humphrey i think its far more likely that we take humphrey 1st round and watt 2nd round

    That's what I'm thinking. The better player doesn't matter as much as how valuable good corners are in the NFL. I like what I've heard from Watt but I'm not sure when he's meant to go, whether him or Humphrey are more likely to slide.

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