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8 minutes ago, SepticeyePoe said:

I think we would take someone else if the top two wrs are taken.

That's what I think. Ross isn't a bad player but as I said I don't think he fits us and we could just go BPA or fill another, more important hole at 16.

2 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

I don't entirely get the infatuation with Claiborne. As Ravens fans we know more than anyone how frustrating injury prone players are. It's tough when during the offseason you plan on a certain guy filling a role for you and then the season starts and all of a sudden that player in basically never on the field. We deal with it on a yearly basis at CB as it is. Jimmy is depended on to be the #1 shutdown guy and then once gets banged up the entire unit basically crumbles. 

With Claiborne we aren't talking about a moderately injury prone player, we're talking about a guy who has played in just 22/48 games the last 3 years. Meaning he literally sits more games than he plays. When do we ever have good luck with injury prone players? The answer is never. I'll pass, he's talented when healthy but we need dependable guys. We're an injury carousel every year as it is. 

I don't think we're dependent on taking him, nor will we be dependent on him once he's ours if it works out that way. There's still no doubt in my mind that we grab an early CB with or without him (and probably a later one too), just so we're not relying on Jimmy staying healthy if/when Claiborne goes down. That way if he can't perform or he can't stay healthy we have a young, at the very least decent corner(s) that won't leave us as stranded as last year. I think we'll probably just give Claiborne a prove-it deal if he decides to go with Baltimore, no point in giving a medium/long term contract to someone that can't play one out. Worst case scenario Jimmy and Claiborne go down we're slightly better off than we were last year.

Just now, rossihunter2 said:

Even if he's not a bust I'd still prefer the others because of the fit with the Ravens

If he is a bust though I'd rather him be someone else's bust than ours. If he's the only one out of the three left on the board I don't know how I feel about taking him or taking someone else and waiting to pick up someone that fits with us more. I don't have anything against him, but it breaks down to finding a better fit then taking the opportunity to grab BPA (besides Ross).

7 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

First off, I never said trading down in a draft to accumulate more picks is a bad idea. That's grabbing more players on rookie deals not grabbing a 1 yr rental that we won't be willing to pay $13m/yr to. 

Totally different scenarios. 

And of the couple times we've traded out of a first time you've picked arguably the worst of the bunch. 

We traded back from pick 25 to I believe 43 and picked up an extra 3rd and 4th round pick. 

Those netted us Sergio Kindle, Ed Dickson and Dennis Pitta. Only Pitta was integral in winning the SB and we could've selected him anyways. 

By trading back we missed an opportunity to draft Gronk who we were really high on and got taken by the Pats one pick ahead of us at 42 which would've made the one positive of trading out of the 1st (Pitta) completely irrelevant. Or maybe we'd have both. 

Couldve also grabbed Devin McCourty, Jerry Hughes or TJ Ward and had the safety issues solved that led to Elam/Brooks/Huff revolving door or got us the dominant pass rusher across from Suggs we've desperately needed. 

Thats all hypothetical though. And it's irrelevant bc this trade has nothing in common with your Butler proposal. 

Even if it did, this is a horrible example of a trade that "worked." Yea we won a SB 2 years later in spite of, not bc of this trade. 

Also the Broncos weren't coming off of a superbowl win

12 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

we haven't even drafted yet! Will you people calm down?

The conversation has more turned into what we should before the season starts. The first few posts knocked down the so called "anemic offense" label we've been given already.

7 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

i agree 100% - i prefer williams to ross as well but davis is my number 1 receiver in this class - on my board at the moment davis is 9th, williams is 10th (was 11th until sidney jones got injured) and ross is 22nd

n.b. in case you were wondering, i have zay jones 42nd, cooper kupp 47th and juju 53rd - i actually currently have more draftable receivers on my board than draftable edge guys but the difference at the top of the draft is ridiculous in quality

I hope people take Ross early for his speed though, he's probably the biggest chance to be a bust (when compared to Williams or Davis). No way Williams gets to us, but I feel like the combine could help get us Davis.

21 minutes ago, RayRayRaven said:

in the army.  rifle malfunshion. hey jus so ya know if your needs draff has ya runnin back in third round if your top runnin back is avail when the ravens pic that's ur pic.  if the ravens pass him that still ur pick

"rifle malfunshion" XD. That one really got me

1 minute ago, rossihunter2 said:

i think the problem is he is more of the same, wallace is a decent route runner at this point and we have blazing speed from perriman as well - what would ross add to this corps? he's shorter than both wallace and perriman, he's only marginally quicker than perriman, he has as many injury worries as perriman (if not more) - id worry that he could turn into a tyler lockett like player where he kills it but may end up with a career ender from taking such a beating on his smaller frame - the ravens are looking for a complementary receiver which i translate as someone who has a different skillset to whats already on the roster - mike williams and corey davis both fit that criteria for different reasons whereas john ross doesnt - i like him as a player but hopefully (for me) on a different team

I personally like Davis more than Ross

1 minute ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

People don't see Ross as a safe prospect but besides possible injuries, the guy is well rounded as it gets. His route running is underrated and it reminds me of AB. He is also faster than AB too. If he gets Flacco to bounce back, he could be an insane weapon. Most of his highlight catches came after having to slow down because the balls were underthrown.

We use him in the slot and he will rip up defenses. Especially if we can upgrade the run game. 

I think Flacco's problem is his lack of an O-line and targets to throw to. I still like Davis' skillset more than Ross' but that's my opinion.

3 minutes ago, ravensnick said:

Plus Lewis played LT in college

Legit forgot about that while posting. Learning to play RT at a pro level would be more accurate. I think even though we'd like to keep him at guard that's not solid evidence that he's stuck there, as @rossihunter2 said he filled in for Stanley just fine, flipping sides is what we're hesitant to do.

3 minutes ago, mc_red23 said:

Claiborne does realise a season is 16+ games long, right? $7.5m a year for him?

lol I don't think any team's gonna pay that. I think he's waiting for more than what we're giving him but he'll probably settle here.

1 minute ago, ravensnick said:

Realistic, we haven't gotten peak market value out of Joe's contract, but he hasn't gone full Cutler either. He needs to play better, but it's not all on him. That being said, if we lower are exceptions to the point were Joe is posting average stats for maybe the early 2000s/90s, what was the point of even paying him? Yes, Joe does better with an active run game, but why give him big bucks in the first place if you expect him to play like Alex Smith?

The problem is we gave Joe a ton of money just to forget to get him an O-line and some guys to throw to. Getting a good run game definitely wouldn't hurt either, but that comes with the O-line.

3 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

That's a pretty sizable gap. 

But if La Canfora's sources were accurate that everyone expects him to accept our offer that must mean no one else even has come close to our offer. 

So hopefully he'll have to come off his stance a bit. 

I honestly wouldn't want to give him $7.5m even for one year. Especially for one year. 

He's got to prove more that he can complete a season and not be affected. Very important that he actually plays football for us

8 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

 

True. Good points. I just thought it was an option worth considering especially since there aren't many good tackles in this class

I still think Lewis can make the move

1 minute ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Williams???? You already mentioned maxx lol did you mean Gilmore? 

Either way id like to hope so but it seems they can put it all together. Injuries have been a problem but they are still young. It's a prove it year for all 3

I personally see Gillmore and Williams as having more potential than Waller but I don't remember how I came to that conclusion.

2 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Ya that would be nice. Ross going top 15 would be good for us in general

Maybe he takes the place of some other guy that could become a good slider for us too

Just now, lgcs27288 said:

Morgan Cox

 

 

I kid... I kid...

lol let's just have have a ref toss it to him and cut out the middle man

4 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

$5M is way too rich for player missing in more games than he's playing.

$7.5M is outrageous, he is dreaming.

Doesn't look like he has a choice if he hasn't signed with someone else by now.

7 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

So, from what I'm seeing on twitter, it looks like the Ravens are offering about $5M per year for Claiborne and he wants more like $7.5M per year. 

He may be a one year prove it guy.

I'm okay with that. With his injury history we might just be getting one year out of him anyway.

25 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I was merely pointing out how quick people were to react.  We were also playing the best defense in football and lost by less than a td.  Yes, Trestman didnt work here, but judging the situation after one game.....just a tad bit of over-reaction imo

I think we've got a good defense this year too. I know it's ironic that I'm judging too early but I like where we're going.

7 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

Everytime when l see your avatar picture of Nicolas Cage it freak me out. Lol. 😅

I had that as my wallpaper for a while lol. Good ol' Nic

23 minutes ago, Halshayeji said:

Amen to a running game! Thank you!

Howard is a freak of nature and will be a start in this league. I'm probably Higher on him than you are. I see him as a top 10 talent. Yes a TE in the top 10. I just don't see the FO letting go of pitta after redoing his contract. Neither can I see them giving up on Williams or Gilmore just yet. If he somehow falls to us then Ozzies phone wil be ringing with trade offers

I agree Pitta has done a lot to stay with us and do the best he can to make sure we have room in the cap and I wouldn't want to let go of that (also Flacco's favorite/most trusted target). I've heard people talking about what Williams could bring to us in the trade market, which I would only want to exercise that idea if we took Howard as a BPA pick. We could also cut Watson and move Boyle to FB as I've heard people talk about, but I'm not sure about how I feel about this.

5 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

I don't think he would still be out there if he were asking for a cheap contract, either that or teams know more than we do with his injuries

True. Guess there's only one way to find out and that's who's roster he ends up on.

Just now, 52520Andrew said:

I don't see how we are getting him any cheaper than what Zuttah was

He's older than Zuttah and coming off an injury, I think that might allow for a smaller pay hopefully.

4 minutes ago, Halshayeji said:

I think it's valid to be concerned when you lose your best WR and two starting linemen but I'm still optimistic that we'll have a better season.

1- Flacco had a horrible season! Blame the scheme, play calling, Oline, his knee, or any combination that caused efficiency to drop. But that really was as bad as it gets. I'm not expecting him to be a top 5 QB but i have a hard time believing he can't play better than 15 or 20 QBs at worst. That's all we need and everything else is a bonus.

2- Oline was a mess last year. Injuries played a part but that wasn't it. No one was on the same page! Worst case scenario, we add a 3rd rounder and 5th rounder and force them to start between Yanda Lewis and Stanley. Add a FA on the cheap later on to push the rooks for playing time. That's worst case scenario and I still belive that line shouldn't be anything less than top 10. 

3- We did lose SSS but I'm confident that perriman will build on his strong finish to last season and Wallace really had a good year just got less targets as there weren't enough balls to go around when SSS came back. Gilmore and Williams also mean Pitta can play more as a slot rather than attempt to block someon. I would like to add another diverse pass catcher (any redzone threat) but I'm not as concerned as many are.

I believe on offense we just need to be a bit more efficient. on D, this team already is a better than the one that finished the year. Keep in mind it was too 5 before Jimmy went down. Sucks loosing Orr but I suppose it's not that hard to play besides Mosley, behind Bwill, with Weddle and Jefferson protecting ur back.

If my math is correct, we still have 12-15 mil to spend in FA and I hope Ozzie won't be shy to spend it. Then a Draft to look forward to. 

We also need to get an offensive identity this year. I'd like to see that become one that involves a powerful run game. I'm still really high on Howard as a big playmaker in the blocking and receiving game.