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17 minutes ago, JetLife94 said:

Would love to bring dumervil back for cheap he's not gaining any interest on the market.

I've heard we're possibly going to take him back. Heard the same about Webb, which I'd also love to have back.

4 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Ya that 6th round pick isn't really even a pick. I didn't know who to put there so I put someone nobody knows about. I was looking for a linebacker to be honest

Yeah he's our equivalent to "Mr. Irrelevant" with the success we've had with UDFAs

6 hours ago, Jonah DeVito said:

I'm 100% not interested in Jordan Matthews. Extremely underwhelming player, not at all what we need. 

I'm not sure how I feel about him, but I think people do believe that our need at WR is much more dire than it actually is. We have young guys that are still developing and were halted by injuries, and there's guys in the draft that can fit us just fine. Unless Matthews is something that brings something to the table that we don't have or can't get in the draft, I don't think we need him.

3 DBs is an interesting approach, but I like this mock. I guess the 6th round is where we're the most flexible though.

51 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

This is a very confusing post. Are you saying we go after both Williams and ross? Cause that would never happen. 

Oh and Corey Davis is the best receiver in the draft. Not williams

I'm still not convinced that we're taking Ross in any situation.

38 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Ya I think cam can play right tackle too. Question is how comfortable is he there. Some players dont transition well left to right.

I really like Dion Dawkins. I think he moves much better and would be a perfect fit for us a right tackle. Gotta love those temple tough guys

Yeah that's the problem we have with making Lewis fill in at RT, not going G to T but going left to right. I think Cam would be much better at guard because of his struggles with speed getting around him but that's not as much of a problem once he gets into the NFL.

19 minutes ago, PurpleSnowman said:

What do you guys think about Budda Baker at 16? We are very thin at safety behind Weddle and Jefferson, and we currently do not have a single-high, center-field type safety on our roster. He showed his speed at the combine and from the tape I've watched he seems to have good hand and instincts on the back end. He may be the reason why Jones and King weren't reluctant to act on their instinct when it came to undercutting slant routes or playing press coverage since they had a good safety behind them who could cover and make up ground quickly. He also is a sure tackler and uses his body. I wouldn't mind picking him up with our first rounder and have him spend a year or two learning behind Weddle and coming in on passing downs with Jefferson playing as a nickel LB next to Mosely.    

We'll probably go BPA in the first round which won't be Baker but if no one slides, probably Tim Williams or Humphrey unless we trade back. We're probably more likely to go Peppers than Baker if we're looking at it from the perspective you give.

12 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Idk. I like Elflein the best of the guys who actually played C in college. A little under sized but he plays with a lot of power and generates push in the run game. Some scouts thought he was the most impressive OL at Ohio State in 2015 and that's when Taylor Decker was playing Tackle there... and he's been great so far in the NFL.

Pocic is also pretty highly rated. More of a technician though and is like 6'6" so I worry a little about his ability to maintain leverage and pad level against some of the shorter, monstrous tackles we play. 

Both of them are likely mid 2nd to 3rd round prospects.

 

Jon Toth I like a lot too. A little more underrated than the other two but could be a great value later on. Decent size and length and is a very good run blocker.

JJ Dielman out of Utah could be a good late pick or even UDFA. Started at tackle but had to move to C last year bc of injuries. Ended up out rest of the year so he'll prob be picked much later than what his potential might indicate... but he's a pretty big dude and solid run blocker. Struggled in pass pro while at T especially with speed rushers... but moving into C should help with that issue of blocking in space.

 

Then theres some G prospects who could project at C like Lamp or Feeney. But both of them are likely to be late 1st to early 2nd. Not good value at 16 and will prob be gone by time we're on the clock in rd 2. 

 

If Elflein somehow dropped to our first pick in the 3rd I'd be all over that. I think he could step in day 1 and be an upgrade. 

Second to that prob Toth if he's there in the 4th or 5th. 

And if we trade back in the 1st maybe Lamp or Feeney could be options lates 20's or if we netted extra picks to move up in the 2nd. 

OK. The only guys I'd actually heard a little about were Robinson and Lamp.

1 minute ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I'm far less worried about RT than C. 

Easiest way to blow up the run game and passing is pressure/penetration through the middle. 

You can scheme TE help or keep backs in to help off the edge, and a QB can step up to avoid it or throw hot if pressure does come. 

If its coming right down the middle it's nearly impossible to escape and your RBs have to break a tackle just to get back to the line of scrimmage. 

And im more confident in having an in house replacement at RT with Wesley, Nembot or worst case Hurst. If the rest of the OL is solid I think we're fine (and there's always a draft pick).

 

Jensen has the right play style and size they want at C but they abandoned that pretty quick when he was last tried there and moved him to G. Lewis and Ducasse both beat out Urschel and Jensen. 

Skura is the darkhorse. The team really liked him on the PS last year and Gave him a raise to the level of active roster pay just to keep him from leaving. If they like him enough to start him then I'm optimistic until proven otherwise. 

 

But i think the key to fixing the offense is first fixing the run game. Quickest way to do that is have a mauling interior OL. All about the interior to me. 

So whether it's bringing in Mangold, drafting a top C prospect, or pushing Skura up if he's ready -- that's the one position that I think is the biggest key to our teams success at this point. 

What C do you suggest we take in the draft? I haven't really looked into any.

20 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Top 3 talent has everything to do with it if a team values talent over need, which is a really good way to do it in the top half of the league. I could very well see the 49ers take him. I could see the Titans take him, Jets, and Bengals as top 10 teams that could use a talent like him. 

Plus, again, the combine incident is way overblown and has no effect on his draft stock.

I agree, I'd love to see us picking up Foster as a slider, but I could see the exact same stance from all the teams before us. They could just as easily be thinking "ooh look at who fell to us" even if he isn't that far from where he's likely to go.

1 minute ago, rossihunter2 said:

what makes me feel better about them all being bama guys is that i independently ended up with them all being around each other - humphrey's down further but can see that the ravens might have him higher - but i have williams 11th and robinson 12th on my board with humphrey 21st

Plus a possible slider for us is Foster. But I'll stop making this about college preference, they're just the safe picks on our board

5 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Yeah but I am afraid how well he matches up in the redzone at the next level. A lot of his touchdowns were big plays compared to 9 yard touchdown grabs. He is a playmaker, but I think he is not what the Ravens need.

Plus that's how his offense works. His QB has 43 TDs in just that season.

10 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

I'm not saying this because they are all bama guys but I reckon it's Williams, Robinson or Humphrey - I'd want Williams but I could see the other two as well as reasonable picks - I'm not sold on Humphrey but I could probably be convinced if we took him - I'd be pretty stoked about either Robinson or Williams though

Yeah I'm from Bama so I'd like to see them all wearing purple and black. I do legitimately see it being any of the three unless a good player slides or we trade back, most likely Tim.

6 hours ago, Number23 said:

That's kind of what I thought. The market just wasn't quite there for offense (though personally I would like to have kept Wagner over Williams but I know money isn't the only factor in FA) and if Ozzie HAD signed some of those guys that weren't quite good enough to the contracts they were demanding, we'd just be here next year complaining about FA busts.

I don't like Wagner over Williams considering what Wagner was payed. Sure we payed Williams A LOT, and Wagner's a great player, but RT is the least important position on the O-line. Ozzie's probably pretty confident in what we've got or what we can get.

9 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I mean I know we are all hopeful that Barnett, Davis, Williams or Foster slide down to us, but being realistic, they might be all be gone along with Fournette, Hooker, Allen, Adams, Soloman Thomas, etc. 

We then have a batch of questionable players. Frankly, I don't know who I would choose. If no one is looking to come up. Who is the pick at 16? Can Robinson? TJ Watt? Tim Williams? Marlon Humphrey? Charles Harris? 

I think Tim Williams is starting to rise right back up there. He seems mature and outside of a mediocre championship game, he has a wicked burst off the line and an arsenal of rush moves.  

I think it's Tim if we don't get any sliders if I'm honest, but I don't count any others out and we could trade back. I like TJ but I'm not too sure he's our guy at 16, and I haven't seen enough of Harris to say the same but people don't seem to see him as better than Tim.

Just now, rossihunter2 said:

Kupp is going in the 2nd - I'm pretty sure about that - possibly even before our 2nd pick

OK then that's a no from me. I like what I've seen but I think 1-3 is prime O-line drafting and we're probably going BPA in the first

1 minute ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I'm surprised at how much signing Carr has got me more excited for the draft. 

Took my expectations of what the possibilities were in the top 2-3 rounds and just blew them wide open. 

In reality though I'm sure it hasn't changed the FO's draft plan much if at all. 

I think Carr opens up our draft WAY more than Claiborne would've. Carr's a solid starter without missing any games and Claiborne would require us to look for a guy that would have to start instantly in a pinch cause of how likely it would be that either Claiborne or Jimmy go down. Carr allows us to be more confident that we could give a CB time to develop before having to throw him at the wall and seeing if he sticks. This allows us to take a BPA much more easily with this need not being as dire.

2 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

At this point I think wr is getting drafted in either the 1st, 3rd or 5th if we pick one up because that's where I think players at that position start having value in each round - davis/Williams in the 1st, Godwin/ford/Taylor in the 3rd, rogers/canon in the 5th to name a few

id support a part-time lead blocking gig for Boyle at this point - it lets us keep an extra offensive player either at tight end or at a skill position and I think he offers more as a receiver than juice with potentially different routes - maybe some less conventional/predictable routes on 1st down passing calls

I also like Kupp, no idea where he's expected to go though. I think Boyle has that skillset that we could utilize at FB, and it allows us to use the depth at TE a little more, especially if we cut Watson.

4 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

After Lattimore idk that a sure fire stud is there at 16.  I'd be happy with either Humphrey or Wilson but I don't think the drop off is that huge to the next group of guys. 

And if everyone goes CB crazy it gives us the chance to grab elite talent that wouldn't otherwise fall to us. Zig when everyone else zags. 

Obviously if they love a CB and he's sitting there -- take him. Carr doesn't prohibit that at all. 

 

But if you think a guy like Conley, White, Jackson, King, Howard Wilson, or even later guys like Curtrer, Decoud, Elder, etc.... who may not be the day 1 plug in stud but has the raw traits to develop into one... Carr now gives us the flexibility to be patient. 

Or be the team that can afford to take the earliest risk on Sidney Jones in the 2nd.

And I truly think there are guys that can be had in rounds 2-6 with the upside to be just as good as some of the top guys. 

 

My point was simply that earlier if we'd have had two closely rated players at 16 one being a CB that's slightly lower rated than a pass rusher, LB or offensive weapon I'd have said CB all day. I was sold Lattimore, Jones, Humphrey or Wilson would be the pick. 

Now we have the luxury of taking the highest rated player no matter what and really take advantage of the depth at CB and other teams dire need for them to our advantage. 

Yeah, there are a lot of positives to Carr's deal.

27 minutes ago, ravens rule said:

If we were to go wideout rd one then I want Davis but Idk how you pass on John Ross if he's there. 

Cause he doesn't have the skillset that fits us like Davis' does. We don't need another speed guy alongside Wallace and Perriman he'd basically just have to fight for playing time cause he wouldn't bring anything new to the table. It's not that I don't like him but there's no reason as to why we should grab him, there's so many better directions to go in the draft.

1 hour ago, Purple Nurple said:

Lots of great points, Bold. So many offensive pieces we really haven't had a chance to toy around with yet.......

That's why I don't think WR is such an urgent need as people make it out to be. I'd still like one that fits us in the draft, but we've got some potential stars that have been limited at the fault of no one. BTW I think we make Boyle the next FB.

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Good post man. Hope your right. I like the moves we've been making. Hopefully we can get a pass rusher or receiver in round one and help our online in rounds 2-3. I like what we are doing let's just hope we can build a good scheme that fits to flaccos strengths 

I don't think we're desperate for a WR as much as people think we are, but from a BPA stance I'd love to pick up Davis. If he's not available, nor any other good sliders, I think we go Tim Williams, Marlon Humphrey, or Cam Robinson (which I'm reluctant to say that we'd pick him up, but I'm gradually seeing that it's possible). The most likely being Tim, and I say Humphrey because I think Lattimore will definitely be gone and Wilson will probably be gone as well. I like Humphrey, but I think a lot of things will have to happen to solidify him as a Raven.

37 minutes ago, Edgar said:

He's on their list behind several guys offensively but he certainly fits the playmaker label.

OJ is a no brained to me.

I'd be all for us taking Reddick.....but I have to wonder where that leaves Correa.

It leaves Correa with a fire under his butt to fight for playing time, it's not that I don't like Correa but I see this benefiting him in the long run if it gets him on his heels and to the starting spot. I haven't seen film on Reddick, but if he's what people are saying he is I like him as a pick up if we trade back

29 minutes ago, The Raven said:

We've got a lot of money tied up in the secondary right now. Anyone at all worried about all the money tied up in the defense?

I don't know how much cap room we have so can't say much in that regard. But I *think* we still have room for some offensive improvement (problem is I don't know who could bring that improvement) and for instance, with the Carr signing we can do really do anything that we want with how much money he'll get and what best benefits us.

2 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

This move also really gives us the freedom to take a chance on Sidney Jones a bit higher than we might have since CB isn't such a glaring need now. 

If we can now grab arguably the #1-2 CB in the draft with our 2nd pick or maybe as a trade up option in the 3rd..... amazing. 

 

Go get Barnett, Foster, Williams (either), Reddick or even Howard in the first. Shoot if they think one of the RBs is a can't miss stud we could even do that too. 

And while everyone says OL is weak in this draft... I actually think it's pretty solid in the middle rounds. Not top heavy by any means - idk that there's a LT starter in the whole draft - but I really think there's some potential stud RT's, G/C's rounds 2-5. 

Carrs signing eliminates the one real glaring hole in our starting lineup (I'm assuming there's a plan for C and not worried about RT at all).

I'd prefer Davis to M. Williams, also more likely to fall to us. Otherwise everyone you brought up I think would be great on the team. Even Howard, sure we're stacked at TE but no one is that athletic.