#Nevermore

10 hours ago, Robbyrobbass said:

Maybe you should  know  his fumble rate is over 60%

He does have a high fumble rate, but that is correctible. Guys with that kind of talent are hard to find. 

I like Pitta, but he is a terrible blocker (that's being nice). In my opinion, I would cut Pitta post June 1 and cut Watson. Having Boyle, Gillmore, Waller and Williams is enough. They are cheap and if Gillmore balls out, pay him or have Maxx Williams step into the starting role full time. He was a 2nd round pick.

I would use a 4th rounder on him. I would put him at LG. Put a clause in his contract, to keep his weight under control. His father was a good player, which I thinks helps him with motivation. I would take a chance, but at G.

This article IMHO is not worth the read. Pure and simple the Ravens are much closer than they are far off. To put things into proper perspective, a big reason why the ravens run defense is as stout as it is, is because of BW. You take him out of the equation and the run defense suffers period. Remember he picked up and filled the void left by Ngata and did not miss a beat. This will only be more evident now that Z Orr unfortunately had to retire, who happened to be a tackling machine last season.

Complain for more weapons. I hear it every year but what everyone is ignoring is the fact they have WR's already that they need to utilize better. So many in fact, most of them do not see significatn snaps. If they cannot get enough out of their WR's, then it is time to address the scouting of WR, the development of WR and the coaching of WR even down to the offensive strategies being implemented. When you have a history of drafting well on defense and a history of not drafting well specifically at WR, you gotta be honest and fix things in house instead of passing the blame along to the players all the time. Always going to go get a vet WR suggest they are already aware of this fact and continue to ignore it. Fix this issue in house and stop with "we need more help at WR".

There is also no need to go sign a FA CB. Draft and develop and save the salary cap space for the players already on this team that must be retained. Reaching for a FA to fix a situation is always a risk which eats up more cap space than drafting well and developing. Only real reason to get a FA is if you have that much spare cap space or if a drafted player cannot be expected to contribute in a meaningful manner.

An ostrich must have written this article, with their head buried in the sand. Reality is much different when viewed from above ground.

I agree with much of your article except I think we can absorb the loss of Williams. He has been great and we don't know what will happen when he left, but that's true of everyone when they leave. The Ravens have drafted very well for depth and talent along the defensive front and we need to see those guys step up. Carl Davis, Kafusi and Willie Henry didn't even play. We have Jernigan, Guy, Urban, Pierce. We will draft a few more. I don't want to overpay for him and if another team is going to give him 45-50 million to leave, I wish him the best.

Dalvin Cook is the best playmaker in this draft. If he is on the board, it would be hard to pass him up. I know he doesn't necessarily fit need and he has some off the field issues, but this dude is a stud. If you want a playmaker he can do it all. We know how Mornhinweg likes backs out of the backfield. He is a great pass catcher and great with the ball in his hands.

These analysts are all over the place. Players I could almost 90% guarantee we will not take are McDowell, OJ Howard, Humphrey, Cook based on criminal history. 

Screen shot it now because these are my top candidates: 

1.) Quincy Wilson--has the highest chance. I think Lattimore and jones go first 

2.) Derek Barnett--he won't tear up the combine and that's where many teams will make the mistake to overlook him. Seems like a long shot, but just wait, especially if Thomas goes along with someone like Charlton or McKinley. 

3.) Jabrill Peppers--the new Michigan pipeline prices to be true. Tweeter status will potentially drop him. This just seems like an Ozzie pick. 

At this point I think the pick will be Wilson also. I think Barnett will be gone and I think that Peppers (while not the same) will leave some thinking that he would be a repeat of Elam.

I'm waiting for the combine to make my official guess.

  On ‎2‎/‎7‎/‎2017 at 10:50 AM, eze17 said:

T.O. is lying...if the HOF meant nothing to him, he wouldn't even bother responding. Maybe you should have accepted that trade to B-More and things may have worked out different. You'll get in eventually, but glad their making you wait.

He is demonstrating with his backlash comments to the voting committee and about the process why he's not already in. When he was in SF he trashed Jeff Garcia and destroyed that team. When he was in Philly he trashed McNabb and essentially blamed him for not winning the Super Bowl. I personally think TO is the genesis for all of these other diva receivers who celebrate their touchdowns like they are the most amazing thing in the universe. Totally makes it all about them. Meanwhile the only reason why you scored is because your linemen blocked, your QB saw you and fired off a great pass, and some coaches put a game plan together to get you open. Chad Johnson (I refuse to call him by his invented name...and therein lies his personality) was in the same mold and now you have Beckham with his antics.

It seems as if TO hasn't leaned his lesson yet. He's made some comments that will be tough to walk back, but something like that from him will be needed before the Hall considers putting him in. He needs to come out and make a sincere apology because he's throwing all of the voters under the bus and can't seem to realize the reason why he's not in is because of HIM and not others. Like his former QB's, he's completely belittled and disrespected the very people that hold the keys to his enshrinement. Talk about stupid.

TO is who he is. He's not going to take any comments back. Based on his numbers, he's a HOFer. I can understand that the committee makes him wait a year or two because of his attitude and the fact that he played for multiple teams. But there is no reason he should wait beyond that. Everyone's personality is not the same. I don't think he should apologize for being himself. It does the game of football a disservice if one of the best players at a particular position doesn't get the acknowledgement he deserves because he wasn't quiet.

I like the touchdown celebrations. Guys work hard to get into the endzone and they deserve to celebrate. The lineman and quarterbacks can celebrate and should be allowed to celebrate. It's a team accomplishment, but the NFL doesn't allow group celebrations which is a shame. I think everyone should celebrate when they score. It's a part of fun in all sports.

I'm tired of people wanting these great quarterbacks to retire on top. Manning, Brady, Ben...I don't want them to retire with smiles on their faces. I want us to beat them every year that they retire because they know it will be a cold day in hell when they can come into M&T Bank stadium in the playoffs and beat us (I know Manning is already retired).

Stop begging for Brady to retire and beat him. Put a team together that can win. This is getting sickening. There is no reason we can't compete with the Patriots year in and year out. Get some real coaches. The Patriots roster is no more talented than our roster, they just have a better coach. The Ravens need to kick it into gear.

  10 hours ago, ByTheBay said:

The true dictionary definition of choking is

"to lose ones composure and fail to perform effectively in a critical situation"

No need to be so extreme to try and make your point by saying a team needs to have 95% chance of winning in order to qualify as choking

Think of it this way, it's a tied game with no time left and Lebron gets fouled as the buzzer sounds. He has 2 shots to win the game and both are airballs. Did he choke?

I agree and think it is unfair to say Ryan chocked. He was beat.More accurate the FAlcons were beat.

I disagree, they chocked. You only have to make a handful of plays in the 2nd half to win and they couldn't do it. When you blow a 25 point lead in the 2nd half of the SuperBowl...you choke. The Patriots did take advantage, but the Falcons had the dame in their hands.

Bythebay, I dont recall 25 point leads in those other games you mentioned. In fact cowboysv Pack was close down the stretch. So thats not choking.
Choking is when percentages say 95% chance or better 1 team has game locked up. I dont know odds but I would assume 25 point lead close to 90-95% win probability for Falcons.
Thats Choking.

I will give you GB Screwed up the onside kick but not nearly as bad cause competatition so even. People thought Falcons are the overrated franchise and they were shocking the world...then they Choked like they always do.
Playcalling,play execution, clock management. Everyone involved but Matt Ryan gets most blame cause he touches the ball every play. No different then Flacco in this city or any other city

NFL Network looked at the numbers. The Falcons had a 99% chance of winning the game in at least two different points.

I think King would be an outstanding pick in Round 2.  I'd pencil him in at safety not CB.  I look for the Ravens to draft CB in Rd. 1 and would welcome King in Rd. 2 to solidify our future defensive backfield.  Not a chance in Rd. 1.

I agree. When I looked at him on film, he looks like a safety. He doesn't look fast but we haven't gotten to the combine yet. He is all around the ball though. 2nd round would be great value.

Chance Warmack will be cut by the bills, we can bring him in at LG

  On ‎2‎/‎2‎/‎2017 at 3:33 PM, ravens4life86 said:

I'll answer it for DeCosta.. No they dont have replacements for Sizzle or Dum.
Correa looks like a bust, Koufusi too, Judon is a hit in the 5th round but is he anything more then a Mcphee or Kruger? Which is very nice player, a 10 sack guy, but eventually let go by Ravens.
If you want a replacement.. I believe they said it before, you got a take 1 likely in the 1st round.

So Ravens will have options, Barnett,Mckinley,Harris etc pick 1

There's no guarantee in the 1st Round either - Fowler, Bud Dupree, Shaq Thompson, Shaq Lawson, Leonard Floyd, Jarvis Jones, Dee Ford, etc have all been "busts" despite taken in the 1st Round. Outside of Khalil Mack and Vic Beasley (both selected in the Top 10) - every pass rusher drafted in the 1st Round in the last 4 years has been a bust. And in reality, besides those 2, EVERY pass rusher drafted in all rounds of the last 4 years has been a bust (so far).....Labeling a player a bust after 1 or 2 years is premature as I think a couple of those names above can have a decent NFL career - it takes time to develop to be a productive player in the NFL. Part of the reason it's so hard to find pass rushers is because almost all of them played their entire college career going against college Tackles that aren't good enough to be back-ups in the NFL. Only 1 Tackle from the SEC will get drafted in the 1st 3 rounds this year (Cam) and he projects more of a Guard at the NFL level.

Fowler was essentially a rookie this year as he missed last season with a torn ACL, Dupree was good this year and coming on before missing time with injury, Shaq Thompson is used as a Will in a 4-3, Floyd as a rookie notched 7 sacks, Lawson is a rookie and played in 8 games due to injury, Dee ford had 10 sacks behind Tamba Hali and Justin Houston.

I'm confused by your argument. You labeled these guys busts, but you said it's premature.

The same Eric DeCosta 3 minute interview spun into 4 articles? Either you're a genius or struggling for material Mink!

Lol! I was thinking that when I read it!

I like BW, but I would not be willing to pay top dollar for him. I would be fine with 40-43 million for four years. Anything over that is really overpaying. We have a lot of young guys on the D-line. We had injuries along the front last season. Carl Davis and Willie Henry didn't play. I think that rotation with help absorb the loss of Williams if that happens.

Also another question is what do we do with Michael Pierce next season? We will have to pay him as well. We can't pay both Williams and Pierce 40 million. Pierce is 24 and Williams is 27. Does that make a difference?

  5 hours ago, billiejean said:

  6 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

The problem is finding good pass rushers and DBs to invest in. The really good one's practically never hit the FA market. You've got to draft them yourself and resign them when they are good.

The teams that go out and try to spend top dollar on Corners or DBs who hit the open market typically end up disappointed in the end.

Yea thats a vallid point.  And really its not only about DBs and Pass Rushers, I just think that if we sign BWill to a huge contract now its going to be difficult to resign anyone of the guys leaving next year or the year after that.  And I am sure the FO takes all of that into consideration.  This may be a flawed way of looking at the situation but I just feel like BWills sphere of influence is just so limited.  Not only to the middle of the field but also only on running plays.  And i know there are other factors at play there.  By taking on the double teams he gives the guys next to him more favorable match ups.  And he keeps the ILBs clean which allows them to flow to the ball faster.  I just think with Pierce on the team it would be wise to spend the money on some of the guys that are going to hit FA next year.  And I am not saying that Pierce is going to play as good as BWills next year.  I just don't think that the gap separating BWilll from Pierce is large enough to negativily impact the team on a consistent basis.  In other words it is negligible.  I don't think we will lose any games next year because Pierce is playing instead of BWill.  But what do I know?  There are some interesting options at cb this year that could come at a reasonable price.  But of course the reason they would come at a reasonable price is because they sucked last year. 

I hear ya but I disagree that the difference is negligible. Pierce was really good - playing behind (or) next to BWill but what happens when he's the main man? Pippen was a great player playing with Jordan - not so much when by himself. But the bigger issue is this - you're looking at just replacing one player for one player but this is a team and the d-line is a unit. How big of a difference is there between BWill + Pierce vs Pierce + ?? How big of a difference is there between Pierce and the next guy? What happens if Pierce get hurts? We saw what happened with the lack of depth behind Jimmy.

You basically have Pierce at the vet minimum for the next 3 years. If you pay BWill $10 million then you have both guys for a combined $11 million. I'd pay $11 million for TWO really good DT . You don't have to worry about that position again for 3 years even if 1 guy gets hurt.

Plus, you don't really have any of your FA that you need to spend money on next year (Urschel & Jernigan really) and the Ravens will finally have some good cap space even if they re-sign BWill & Wagner.

I believe Pierce was an undrafted free agent. He is not on the vet minimum for the next 3 years. He is a restricted free agent this year and next year he will need to be paid.

I like beefing up the line. I think we should let Wagner walk, move Lewis to RT and I think Chance Warmack will be released by the Titans. He would be a great pick up for us at LG. We can then draft a C.

  10 hours ago, mendii said:

The Ravens, more than any team I know, love keeping guys who contribute on special teams even if they don't play in games often. Off the top of my head I can think of Ayanbadejo, Hester, Asa Jackson, Brennen Beyer, and Anthony Levine. I'm sure someone else can think of more. Bottom line, if they are "elite" special teams players, Baltimore wants to find a way to keep them.

Don't you think that alone may be a huge contributor to lack of quality depth? If you fill your roster with great special teams players over position players of repute and that is the way you fill out the roster, then a team is left floundering if there are injuries to the team. I think this is a fundamental flaw with John's strategy.

I wholeheartedly agree. Harbaugh wants good special teams players, but when they are thrust into starting positions, they are terrible. I wish we could send that comment to Harbaugh personally.

  13 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

  15 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I like the idea of nabbing Marshall if he gets cut. We need a big receiver. One that can move the chains and won't get bullied at the line. 

Jeffrey is way too risk to pay $10-12 million a year. 

In fact, Marshall is the one WR I think fits our team and cap space. He'll elevate Flacco as a QB and make him look decent too. He has a wide catching radius and makes contested catches in a crowd. S

Kenny Britt is the same type of WR and at this point in their careers is probably the much better version. You're going to pay for name for Marshall but I'd rather have the more productive Britt at a few $ million less.

I don't know about Britt being more productive based on one season. I do know he is injury prone and inconsistent. I like Marshall better.

Also I would point out that the notion of being able to get Marshall "cheap" is a matter of perspective. If fans think "cheap" is $4-5M a year, then Marshall won't be playing for us, because he won't be playing for a contract so low.

Honestly, at his current $7.5M salary, I think he's right at where he should be in terms of value, and I don't really see a scenario where a team could sign him for less than $6-7M a year. So I think the conversation starts there.

If you compare that to the "market value" chart from Spotrac (which I personally don't put much stock in), that puts him right in that same group with Britt/Garcon, etc., just less expensive than Jeffery. So basically, there's not much cost difference between the better FA WRs and what Marshall would bring in terms of value.

I agree his current salary is where he should be. Wallace is at $8.5M this year (although it is the 2nd and last year of the contract). He is better than Wallace.

i see no reason for us to go for anyone but BRANDON MARSHALL.. hes what weve needed for the past 10 years. BRANDON MARSHALL PLEASEEEEEEEEEE

I remember when we traded for Boldin and at the same time Miami traded for Marshall. I commented on this site that I would rather have Marshall. He is younger, his catch radius is outstanding and he was a better player at the time. Marshall was traded for two second round picks though and Boldin was traded for a 3rd and 4th. Which was only a little steeper. The fans on this site gave me a hard time, because Marshall was going through issues with his wife or girlfriend. They said he was a disruption and immature. Which was the case, but he was talented.

In hindsight Boldin was great for us. He won a Superbowl. Either way they both would've been cut as Ozzie wouldn't have paid Marshall, just like he didn't want to pay Boldin.

  15 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I like the idea of nabbing Marshall if he gets cut. We need a big receiver. One that can move the chains and won't get bullied at the line. 

Jeffrey is way too risk to pay $10-12 million a year. 

In fact, Marshall is the one WR I think fits our team and cap space. He'll elevate Flacco as a QB and make him look decent too. He has a wide catching radius and makes contested catches in a crowd. S

You are right on the money there. Also you have to keep in mind Marshall wants to continue his TV career, which is another reason why he chose NY. In Baltimore, he's near NY. He's on Inside the NFL. The question is if the Ravens would be okay with Marshall being on the show. I think they would as SSS made occasional appearances on the Mike and Mike show.

4 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

Ok so we agree on general philosophy that drafting is a crap shoot,

Coaching is based on you vision of creativity, which might be called witchcraft i dont know, But coaches on Offense and Defense is laughable statement finds you slightly less credible. at least as a Ravens fan.

To say the Ravens- keep losing, is quite pessimistic, I understand that you want the perfect team to look like the Patriots. But unfortunately at what cost? or why? unless you have some weird fetish.

Yes i stand corrected The Patriots have 4 SB to the Ravens 2 SB since 2000 technically. Addtionally the Patriots have missed the Playoffs 3 years since 2000, The Ravens 7 years.
Of course Brady has played 8 more seasons than Flacco.

As far as Air pressure in a football, you missed that by a mile, lol.
Mr Brady was found guilty of and payed a penalty. Mr Belicheck has also been fined and corrected for misconduct.

there is a clear difference in Joe Flacco and Tom Brady
 

Yes as a Raven's fan, I don't think the Ravens coaching is nearly as creative as the Patriots coaching (i.e. making adjustments, play design, etc). I also think that LeVeon Bell is a better running back then West or Dixon, does that preclude me from being a Raven's fan as well?

We have not made the playoffs in 3 out of 4 years, I would call that losing. Whether it's pessimism or not, it's a fact. I didn't say the Patriots are perfect, I said they are winning. Alluding to your facts that the Patriots have had 3 losing seasons and the Ravens have had 7, during that span. Winning is what we as fans want from the Ravens. I want it at the cost of better coaching, better selection in free agency, retaining drafted players, etc. 

It is fairly irrelevant how many years each quarterback has played, since we are comparing that time frame.

I didn't miss your point, regarding the air pressure in the football. My point was that the difference in air pressure of a football, doesn't equate to the difference in talent between Brady and Flacco.

I think everyone is a little off base where Joe Flacco is concerned. The problem is with the term "elite". We, as Ravens fans, need to drop the term completely from our vocabulary. He's not elite. Neither are the QB's for most NFL teams. What we need to consider; where Joe ranks in terms of current QB's in the league, compare his career path, and weigh the pros and cons.
-Joe Flacco is the only QB in the AFC to start (and win) in a Superbowl in the
last 14 years that wasn't either Tom Brady, Big Ben or Peyton Manning. Considering Peyton did it with 2 teams, that leaves 11 AFC teams that haven't hoisted the Lombardi trophy in that span. Oddly enough, the last AFC team to do it prior to Brady, Ben and Manning was...the Ravens...in 2001. Get this; you have to go back to 1984 to find an AFC team that won the Superbowl that wasn't the Patriots, Steelers, Broncos, Colts or Ravens. 32 freaking years since the LA Raiders won!!! Joe Flacco has a proven record in the playoffs. He also managed a crucial drive this year, in Pittsburgh, that realistically should have won the game (and possibly division) if the defense had not Crap the bed.
-With Peyton Manning retired, Big Ben considering retirement (and honestly, Flacco is kind of owning Big Ben recently), that leaves Tom Brady as the QB to beat in the AFC. And Joe has beaten Brady twice in the playoffs IN Foxboro. We have owned the Steelers recently (6 of 9 since 2013 with a playoff win in there). With the rag-tag crew of receivers we had this year, he beat Ben once, was within a score of Brady, and lost to Ben by an outstretched arm. To me, you can't put a price tag on composure, which Flacco has against these guys. If Tom Brady were to win this year, and then retire along with Big Ben, who would be the Ravens main competition in the AFC?
-Ravens fans are used to making the playoffs, and we've gotten spoiled. How consistent is Dalton in the Playoffs? The Texans? The Chiefs? Not a whole lot of winning in that group. Flacco has had an inconsistent support system around him, and the carousel of OC's has got to stop for him to develop into the passer he has the potential to be. I think what a lot of fans fail to realize, is that Joe has put our team in the position to win a lot of games, and our defense has let us down. Granted, more consistent play from Joe could potentially negate our less-than-stellar secondary, but if your QB scores a go-ahead TD with less than a couple minutes to play...and you can't stop their team from scoring...that's hardly the QB's fault.

You can argue all you want that Joe makes too much money, that he's not consistent enough, etc. But when it comes down to brass tacks, there's only a handful of consistent QB's in the league, and an even smaller class of QB's that are consistent when it matters...in the playoffs. Given the option, there's only 4 or 5 QB's in the league I'd consider over Flacco. Brady, Rodgers, Brees and (possibly) Derek Carr or Matt Ryan. Other than that, every team is struggling with inconsistency at QB...and have no hardware to show for it. Andrew Luck? Andy Dalton? Ryan Tannehill? Tyrod Taylor? Come on guys, our position is a lot more solid than 80 to 90% of the league. We are a couple key guys away from being back on top while it looks like the Bengals unraveled this year, and it looks like the Steelers are headed that way.

Take a deep breath my friends. The AFC north is ripe for the taking, and we are poised to be that team. Peace.

I agree with you. The point that some of the Flock make is that Flacco is frustrating. He plays well in the playoffs, but he is inconsistent during the season and really from quarter to quarter. So he irritates you because you know the talent and more importantly the will to win is there, but not consistently. He is just like Eli Manning. You know when you get to the playoffs, you have an above average chance of winning because of quarterback play, but also because of regular season quarterback play, you may not make it to the playoffs.

13 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Perriman was a surprise but at the end of he first, the sure fire talent starts to dwindle and you have to take some risks on players you think can develop. 

I haven't given up hope on Perriman. In his private workout he ran a 4.24 and 4.28. He literally is 6'2, +210. That alone makes him intriguing, but the thing about his college tape was that it wasn't that he just had bad hands, he just lacked discipline and concentration. Watch his huge plays, he made some miraculous catches that don't indicate bad hands. He had the same problem that he showed this year--his legit first year, which was drops on short throws and seam routes because he starts focusing up field or on the defender before completely reeling in the catch. If he can work on that then he will be lightning. His catch and runs v the Dolphins and Bengals give a lot of hope. He is so fast and big that he could take slant and crossing routes to the house on a regular If we feed him in year 2.

I haven't given up on him. I know he is young. I think we need to give him a lot more snaps next year. You can't develop a player with a limited number of snaps. It would be a travesty if his rookie contract were up and we still don't know what he can do because we didn't give him a legit chance to prove himself on the field.