raven94

I think .ist of these guys got taken a round earlier than they should've. I do like where you're at and what you're thinking, but again I think most of these guys could've been taken one round later. Also I'm not a fan of Bolles. 

2 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

 

I dont understand why this is such a bad thing. The game is won in the trenches. Yes lamp might be better as a gaurd but i honestly think cam can play tackle. If the ravens thinks so too i will support their decision. They have more film and imside info than anyone of us here

I'm very much with you on this. I understand the hate people have for Robinson as a tackle, but I'm very much aware of the potential and the immediate product that is Cam as a rookie actually isn't that bad. At guard I think he's better than lamp simply because he generates more push, power, aggressiveness, and has a mean streak. He will work fantastically as a pass protector at guard because his trouble in pass protection is getting depth on his kick slide and then also the occasional lunging forward with his punch, which will both be neutralized at the gaurd position for a couple of reasons. 

As a Tackle I think he'll be just fine in his rookie year because he won't face the speedy finesse rushers. We've got Pitt twice (Harrison, Dupree), Cincy twice (Dunlap, whoever) Cle twice (Ogbah, Garret) NFC north (Ansah, Griffin, Flloyd, maybe Matthews) and the AFC south (Watt, TEN rushers, Fowler, IND rushers) along with OAK (Mack, Irvin) and MIA (nobody). I think of these rushers Matthews, Watt, and Irvin would give Cam trouble at tackle and that's it. So I'm ok with Cam at tackle this first year.

After all if that I would say that I don't want Cam at 16 because I think that's too soon, but I would love him in a trade back

20 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

You can pound tbe table all you want we wont draft mixon regardless.

I know we won't draft him. I thought this thread was to just give prospects our seal of approval. I know we won't draft joe mixon, I don't even want Joe Mixon, but I still think he's going to turn into a consistent 1,300 yards a year kind of back

T.J. Watt

Cam Robinson

Jabrill Peppers

Ryan Anderson 

Corey Davis

Chris Godwin

All of the TE's 

Joe Mixon

I'm pretty sure the worst for these guys is a serviceable starter and at best all pro. Love all of these guys. I actually like a lot of prospects that aren't listed but these guys I'm positive will turn out to be great

24 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

So, an NFC exec said Adams shouldn't be a top 5 pick because he isn't a game changer. 

Mhm, okay. 

Adams? As in Jamal Adams? What is that guy smoking? By the way Adams improved his 40 time from the combine (4.56) to a 4.38 at his pro day. That along with his size, athleticism, impeccable tackling, and mean streak/leadership pretty much ties him for second on my ravens big board with Malik Hooker

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

It's not a trivial move though - Kelly had been playing center at college - as far as I'm aware, lamp never has - if we draft a guard to play center I'd much rather someone like Isaac Asiata who at least has some form at the position - no way am I drafting someone in round 1 who I'm going to have to properly teach a new full time position... especially when the team would have other prospects available at other positions of need

Alright, I originally stated in my post a little while ago IF he can snap just fine, is he worth it at 16? There has been speculation that he can transition to center just fine. But I see your point. kelly played there full time while Lamp has not. However Asiata can't play center. The report is he filled in for Dielman for a certain game. I honestly don't think he actually played the whole game at center. On top of that even if he did play the whole game at center they moved him right back to guard the next game. Asiata can't play center. But again I see your point, my point is simply that if the speculation is true and Lamp can snap without troubles then I'd have no problem drafting him and putting him at C

58 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Yet I still get negged lol. I honestly don't think we're done trading with draft picks. This might just be the start

That's what I'm thinking. An early 3rd round pick has more value than a 3rd comp. I think we're priming to really make some moves on draft day, whether we're going to be moving back and getting more or moving up to get better players

7 minutes ago, Rahul said:

Did we get enough value to Trade him just to move up 25 spots in Round 3? That remains to be seen.

 

 

True. Plus I think it was our comp pick that got put in the trade. I think were priming for more trades to be honest

2 minutes ago, Rahul said:

TRADE! Eagles announce they've dealt for DT Timmy Jernigan and a 3rd-round pick (99th overall). Baltimore gets a third (74th overall) back.

Pros - We move up 25 spots in the 3rd round = Draft ammo

Cons - Inexperienced DL and who is going to generate inside pass rush ?

 

In all fairness Jernigan wasn't really getting much of a pass rush after about the 4th game last year.

11 minutes ago, Jonah DeVito said:

Im really starting to like the idea of grabbing Lamp in the 1st if the likes of Barnett, Williams etc are gone. 

As am I. It seems more and more like the players we really want will go 5 picks before us. I really want MWill and Barnett, and O.J. but by all rights they should be gone when we pick. And so I looked at Ryan Kelly's draft profile last year and it was like Lamp has a lot in common except lamp is even more explosive and stronger, just shorter arms. Short arms doesn't mean as much at center and so I thought dang let's draft him at put him at C. 

We may have already had this discussion, but if Lamp could snap and play center would he be worth the 16th pick? I believe he can play a mean guard and an ok tackle. If he can be an effectuve center though he could really have the OL do a 180 and go from mediocre to a cowboys/raiders OL.

8 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Nobody wants Cam Robinson lol

I think nobody wants Cam if people think one of the other "great" prospects is there at 16. I wouldn't have too many qualms with Cam at 16 (prefer him in a trade back), but if MWill is there, or O.J. or Barnett then I'm taking those guys. Personally I picked MWill for the want

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I know me too honestly. Especially with the amount of people here who really like him. I'm also the only one who wants oj Howard lol

I wanted Howard, MWill, and Barnett. Alas, I can only pick one. I really envy the team's that have multiple firsts this year

As far as Barnett goes you've got to understand that he was constantly playing against the spread option in the SEC and since he's actually dedicated to run defense he's cautious. However when the offense is in an empty set or it's an obvious pass down, emphasis on passing down, he sire does have a good get off. When he's allowed to just think about pass rushing he's awesome

2 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

2 edge rushers up top isn't overkill as long as they pan out - as with most draft picks - if we got Tim Williams or Barnett in the first and then Charles Harris or Carl Lawson in the 2nd I'd be pretty damn happy - if we then double dipped at corner in the 3rd with Moreau (maybe) and Witherspoon I'd be elated and not really care anymore that we got no offense in the first 2 days

That's actually along the lines of how I usually do the mock. In the end I always notice that I neglected the offense, but then I picture the defense with 4 more legitimate starters to help with pass defense, which has been the Achilles of the team for a long time, and I think it's alright. I needed to get some opinions from you guys though

8 hours ago, Jonah DeVito said:

I think one would suffice as we still have Suggs for the time being. However if there's a guy like Tim Williams still there for us in the 2nd, which I don't think he will be, I would be all for 2 edge rushers in a row. So I think it would be best to target other needs before double dipping unless there's a can't miss guy who falls in the 2nd. 

Normally that's how it goes in my mocks, OLB in 1 usually Watt or Harris. Then in round 2 T. Williams is there so I take him. I always feel like it's overkill but then I think about having 2 young studs manning the positions for years and giving great sack production against the great AFC QB's and really elevating the team to a SB contender 

9 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Not bad. I'd be ok with this mock. Not sure what kind of future if any banner has in this league though. Tank is a decent pick. He won't have to play much barring an injury and he can contribute on special teams at least

I guess that's true, he would have time to develop. But I still don't know if I want my second round pick sitting the bench

1 minute ago, Jonah DeVito said:

Let me rephrase that. I really don't think he should be part of our longterm plan. Im sure they want him to step up, but he is definitely not the answer to our OLB problems. 

So you don't think 2 OLB/pass rushers with the first 2 picks is overkill?

6 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Yes I would. No doubt. 

4 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

There are way too many options lol. I feel like I could put 20 players on this list and still have guys missing

I agree. I would take him despite our massive pool of TE's.

Yes there are a lot if options that you could put down. Don't worry too much about it. I've got the same issue

2 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Of course I'll try and make it so that way I leave players with an unrealistic chance of being there off the list. I'm torn on whether or not to leave oj Howard off the list. I really don't think he'll be available 

Would you take him?

I like it except for the tankersly pick in the second, and Banner. Tank is going to draw a lot of fouls in the league because he's so grabby. Plus he's got some stiffness. I think there are plenty of other great prospects available at our 2nd. I'm thinking T.J. Watt, WR, Tim Williams, OL. Banner to me is huge but still not worth the pick. He struggles to move and projects as a guard but he's 6'8 So he'll have leverage issues at gaurd

So in a lot of my mocks it ends up being that BPA at our picks in the first and second are pass rushers/OLB. I honestly don't mind that, but what do you guys think about going pass rusher with the first two picks? A part of me thinks that's overkill, another part of me thinks that's just fine. 

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Harris doesn't have the bend you speak of though and he has really bad decision making. I'm not putting too much stock into the combine, just taking note that he made a drastic improvement from where he was during the season. 

Harris has a great first step, but the more you watch the more you'll notice the mental lapses and missed opportunities. He has a lot of moments where he has an opportunity to turn the corner but continues to speed rush past the pocket, he mistimes his counter moves often and comes too late with it, and he is too reliant on the bullrush. His anticipation and flexibility are really weak

The more I've watched Harris the more I've noticed he's that kind of guy who is just always a step behind mentally, he was a great college rusher but I could really see him failing to make the adjustment. Tj watt is a guy who I think hasn't even scratched the surface, he had one year of college ball and was dominant on film in all aspects and shows NFL traits, the awareness and the natural shedding ability are just some things that look like an NFL skill set

Not to mention unreal length and hand size to go along with hand strength. He's also got the mental side down because he showed times where he has a great get off and can rush, but he also showed times where he recognized he didn't need to get deeper than the quarterback on a passing down which can create the illusion of pressure as well as actually help the OLB get to the QB if the tackle over sets. Charles Harris, whether he can or can't doesn't matter because he never does, pretty much always just keeps rushing to the outside on a wide arc and doesn't actually use footwork. His spin move works every so often, but that's about it. He doesn't have much else in his repertoire other than get off and spin. Watt uses the inside, outside, dip and rip, sudden change of direction despite being long, he spins a little as well, and he's shown to use a good swim move.

9 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Ya but how do we know that for sure. Can we really trust school measurements

To be honest......yes, he looked pretty dang thick during the season. And he looks like he's shed a few pounds

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

D'Onta Foreman had a 4.45 40 yard dash at his pro day weighing 233. That's pretty impressive. However he always seemed to get caught from behind on tape. 

well in his defense his playing weight was like 249