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What about Peppers? He is a talented kids, very versatile. He can be a corner, safety, PR/KR specialist. 

On 1/8/2017 at 1:37 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

malik hooker would help because he is literally as close as a prospect can get to being projected as the next ed reed. 

after declaring, malik hooker is now a top 3 player in this class, and is the best looking true free safety prospect maybe ever(mind you, ed reed didnt look like the greatest safety to ever play when he was a prospect). he is a prototype single high, wide roaming free safety. you tell this guy to go out there and get the ball in your hands and you trust him to do it. QBs will not even consider throwing the ball 20+ yards downfield 99% of the time because if you put some hangtime on it he will pick it off. QBs have to watch him more than they watch their own receivers. He is a threat to make a huge play on every level of the field, in the run and passing game. 

we have zero chance of landing malik hooker as it stands right now, but make no mistake, if he even sniffs a double digit draft slot ozzie is gonna be blowing up phones to trade up. garrett, allen, and hooker are 3 of the most cant miss prospects ive seen in a long time, and safety is definitely still a need, our tandem isnt getting younger and webb carries a hefty cap number, plus weddle is much better as a SS and hooker would allow him to play there.

I think Jamal Adams is a good safety too. Also Peppers is not bad. He is a game changer. I see Pepper like Ramsey. He can play corner or safety/ LB. The kid is talented. I m thinking 3 QBs, 2 RBs, 2 WRs will go ahead of us. Also Garret, J.Allen, D.Bernett,  Humphrey, Reuben Foster will be gone in top 15. So that will make one of them available for us. I really hope Hooker falls out top 10 and Ozzie make a move for him. I think we need more of a ball hawk safety than corner. I can't remember who but someone said a QB can avoid a CB but he cannot avoid a safety. Since Ed Reed our secondary has not been good. Hooker with Weddle as safety will be nice. A lot of things will change by April, Combine, Pro days and secrets about the players will come out. Remember Tunsil was best player in draft for a while then he dropped out of top 15 i think. So I hope we get lucky this yeat.

2 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Im not basing it off of one game. If you read my previous post I said I've been questioning Williams for a few weeks now. I dont like his character and the fact that bama doesnt use him in the run game often has to be concerning. All i was saying is hes not the sure fire prospect many like to make him seem. Hes a boom or bust prospect and after watching more and more film on him thats what im starting to realize.

And if you want to bring up the game then he should have had more opportunities to get sacks then just those 2 instances. Especially against a true freshman right tackle and Tim is a senior so he should have taken advantage far more often than he did

I agree. I don't think so he is worth our 16th pick. We need game changer with that pick. I don't think so he is one. Game changers don't disappear in big games and last night was a big stage.

4 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Unlike the depth, but I am wondering when the big run in them will be because a majority of the league all needs corners. The top shelf edge rushers could go quick and we could be starring down Harris as the best one on the board, which could lead Ozzie to trading down or selecting a corner early if he believes they are head and shoulders above the rest of the class, which I believe Wilson and Sid Jonea easily are. 

I pray for a mauler at center in the first three rounds though. Guillermo or even the center from Baylor looked good this year. We will see. 

That will be nice too. Get a corner or safety in rd 1. Then i won t waste our 2nd rd on a developmental pass rusher. We already have Judon, Z Smith and KC if we move him OLB. I would go top center in rd 2.

2 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

We had Gradkowski for most of 13'. Zuttah was our center all of 14' and we was playing well up until this year. 

No Gino was horrible in 13 that is why we trade for Zuttah. Then Zuttah play better in Kubiak offense( who does not play better in his offense). Then that was it. I honestly beliebe our OL issue starting when Matt Birk retired. Man, give protection to Flacco, he will tear down the defense.

3 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

At 48, that might be a bit high to take him, but if corners and rushers get depleted then I would not be opposed at all. 

We retain Wagner, Stanley and Lewis develop, Yanda plays another all-pro season and we add in Guillermo, boy our line would be nasty. 

We have edge protection and maulers on the inside. Flacco gets time and we get West and Dixon rolling.

I agree. We can get our pass rusher in rd 1 and DBs in rd 3. DBs class is deep this year that we can get a starter at rd 3. 

2 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

So the 2014 offense doesn't count?

That was Kubiak offense plus Zuttah was playing better then.

25 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He's been a stud under the radar. Built like a mauler but plays like a technician and for once he showed a mean streak. I like him in the 3rd if he's there and I've liked him a while.

He won t be there in 3rd. We need to build our OL. If we don t want to put money there in free agency, then we have to invest in draft. I said a second rd on a center. Did you see how our offense regressed when Matt Birk retired? 

4 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

i agree they are still worth more to us as potential than they are to other teams - the amount of draft capital they add is negligible but maxx could turn into a player and watson might come off that injury and play well too

I agree with both of you. It will be a hard sale.

What about using some of our TEs for a trade? We won't need all of them. I have been calling for a package Watson& Max Williams in a trade for a while. Titans have two 1st rd picks and need TEs. Maybe use that package in trade with their no5 pick. What do you think?

Keep NT – Brandon Williams, and even Mallet, clear house on anyone over age 27. Draft for size and speed with speed the most important factor. Our DB's are just short and slow. Our receivers scare NO One and for gods sake find a RB. Number 9 with ALA. would be a good choice, BIg, Fast something we haven't had since 2000. Just think what might have happened it we could have killed another 3-4 minutes in the last game with the Steelers. Lost to the Raiders buy dumb coaching calls. That's was with at best a 8 & 8 Team. Don't forget that Flaaco just stinks.

Not sure about B William and Mallet. But I agree with Devin Cook, if he is on board when we pick and DB M. Hooker and J. Adams are off board then we pick him. Get the top center at rnd 2, then 2 DBs in rd3. Then we restructure Pitta, Wallace and Web contract, cut Doom and resign him cheaper. Sign a top CB in free agent. We won't need a WR if we have Devin Cook and Dixon in our backfield. We will give them the ball 70% of our O snaps, then 30% deep pass to Breshad/Wallace/Moore and middle pass to Pitta/Waller/Max. That is Ravens football. On the defense side with two 3rd rd DBs from the draft and a top CB in free agency added to J Smith and Young, we will be fine at secondary. Resign Doom, both Doom and Suggs healthy will put pressure on QB. Judon, KC, Z Smith will be our young pass rusher. People are calling KC a bust but he has not been used as a pass rusher. He was used as ILB while he played edge in college so that is not fair. Also I think Kaufusi will be the best interior pass rusher we had for a while.

anyone else like Jabrill Peppers with our 16th pick? would be nice to have not just playmakers, but game changers like we used to with Reed in the secondary.

I like Peppers, but I am hearing that Malik Hooker is the best safety, the like of Ed Reed. Also I hear that Jamal Adams is also better than Peppers. But all 3 are very good safety. One of them will be there at pick 16th. Also a top pass rusher and top corner will be there too. Basically when will be on the clock, we will have a pool of top 5 safety, top 5 pass rushers and top 5 conerbacks. So Ozzie will have to make a choice. Hopefully we will get a game changer.

Harbs and his coaching staffs know what are the issues with this team. They have decided on an approach to fix it. Let not complain and call on failure day one. Let wait and see next season, then we will debate the decision. Marty can change his coaching style to adapt to the team strength. He did that this year and the offense was getting better later in the season ( not to count the bengal game). The organization believes this team is close to be great and needs few players to achieve it. We all can agree on that. So let wait and see what Marty will do next season.

I couldn't care less about how much Harbaugh is risking by retaining Mohrnhinweg - it's his own deal. What annoys me to the extreme is that he uses the team I love and would love to see succeed, for taking risks.
John, go and play risk with something that's yours - not our beloved team please. Don't use my Baltimore Ravens to try and break the age old adage about the definition of crazinbess (doing the same thing again expecting different results).
Please.

A risk is hiring a new OC and don't know how the team will respond to his scheme and coaching. Your definition of crazinbess is keep hiring OCs every year and expect different results. Harbs has a job to do, being a HC to his team. He is doing his job, he has gut, he is a man. So let wait and see in year. I bet a lot of fans will come here and say how good a HC is Harbs next year.

OK, if that's the decision, then that's the decision.
There's one thing I was sorely missing from Harbaugh's presser: we all know the good old definition of craziness: to do the same thing expecting a different result. As I wouldn't want to feel crazy, I would welcome an explanation from Harbaugh: if the O remains the same, why should we expect a different result than past season. Actually, "this season" - but for the Ravens it's the past season...

So, John: if the O is going to be the same, what should we fans base our hopes of a better-than-mediocre offense, and a QB that actually looks like he cares when out on the field?

I think that is the question and the topic we should be discussing. If we keep the same coaching staff, what is the plan next year to be better and be in playoffs? I hope the Harb and the FO will give us some information to ease the frustration of the fans. I hope also the writers, Ryan, Garrett, Sarah all give us some information. Harbs should be in the podcast lounge, I hope they push him to us some information on what will change next year. Because we are keeping the same staffs does not mean we are doing the same thing.

gosh my raven fans, we are talking like we know football more than Harbs, Ozzie and co. We only see this team when they play on sundays. We don't know anything else. We don't know what is going on during practices, what is the plan. We cannot call for failure because we are keeping Marty and Pees. The organization has a plan, we don't know yet but we will find out. I have faith to the Ravens organization. We are one of the best organizations in the league. I am not happy about keeping Marty, but I will sit tight and see what will happen next year. Remember Harbs also said that he will hire a creative offensive coach. We don't know the plan, we are just fan, disappointed by the previous season. I hope whatever the organization is doing will work. I m a die hard Raven fan, I will always support this team, whatever the organization does. Go Ravens!!!

  40 minutes ago, merryjman said:

It was tough seeing the offense this year. After promising not to mess with Kubiak's system, Trestman basically killed the zone run scheme that the O line had worked so hard to learn and master, and had Flacco go out of the shotgun many times. And let's face it: Justin Forsett was not that great a RB, he was just the latest in a series of mediocre backs who looked like pro bowlers behind Kubiak's run schemes! (how many times has Kube done this now?) And Flacco, despite all the legitimate excuses like inconsistent protection, slow receivers, etc. still had some pretty bad individual performances. It's clear more than ever that he is unable to read blitzes and make corrections at the line. (did he do an audible all year?) This doesn't make him a bad QB, but it does mean that the OC has to do a lot of work to get the right play out to him.

 

Agree that pass rush is a big need. Bisciotti said so last year, and he'll probably say it again this year if asked. I am very glad we got Ronnie, as I think he'll be a franchise player for us for a long time. And considering all the Bosa drama, I'm not sure he would have been the right pick. But we need an edge rusher badly.

 

Not sure whether receiver is a need, or whether it's a system issue. I think Pitta, Gilmore, Boyle, Perriman and Wallace (and grudgingly, maybe even Campanaro) make a good corps if we can get a consistent system going.

 

Ozzie always says he can never have enough cornerbacks. Smith is great when healthy and Tavon Young was a nice surprise, so I would hate to see us take a CB with the #16 pick because I'd imagine all the top CB talent would be gone by then.

Pass rusher and corner is deep this year so many teams will adopt the "we will capitalize on the depth" later approach meaning they will pass on the position in the first to grab other areas of need. 

Realistically we need to take one of the two unless for some crazy reason mike Williams or Fournette make their way to us. 

With Garrett and Allen being long gone we hopefully land one of he following pass rushers; Williams from Bama, Harris from Missouri; Barnett from Tennessee; or, CB Sidney Jones from Washington or King from Iowa. I also like Wilson from Florida. 

 

I agree, also maybe a top safety too like Mich Peppers or LSU Adams. A young elite safety added to Weddle should help our secondary issue too.

  11 hours ago, leziRav said:

We don t really need Max. Wouldn't you trade him for a top pass rusher or a top DB which is what the team need. We have Pitta and Waller for our passing TE and Boyle and Gilmore as blocking TE. And yes people will give value to Ben Watson. Did you see him when he was playing for the saints before we get him. I m looking at the Jimmy Graham trade now and if i were Ozzie, i ll be calling Titans, Vikings, Eagles GMs for trade. We need elite game changers not just regular good players

So the guy we drafted in the second round to be the replacement for Dennis Pitta we suddenly don't need anymore? Would I personally trade him straight up for a top pass rusher or a top DB? Sure, in a heartbeat. The problem is that the Ravens won't do it and no team in their right mind would make that deal. Trades don't happen simply because you want them to. Other teams actually have to want what you've got.

No, nobody will give you value to trade for Ben Watson. He's old. He's coming off a severe knee injury, and has one year left on his contract that would cost us very little to just cut bait with and some other team could sign him on a less expensive contract if they wanted him...that's saying he's ready to even ready to play at the start of next season.

He was Pitta replacement in case Pitta could not play. After this year, Pitta can play another 5 years. He will just get better. Watson is not coming off Knee injury, he has achilles issue. We already know that old player can back from that injury and play ( SSS, Suggs, Dummervil). Also he has 2 more years on his contract. Who would not take the package Max&Watson. A young TE and a proven TE, that is value and security blanket. For us why have Max when we are not going to use him. We are not benching Pitta for him, plus Boyle and Gilmore are better blocking TEs than him.

  4 hours ago, leziRav said:

I m talking about moving up. They will get our 16th pick, a young TEs, a proven TE and a 5th round. I said that because they need TEs and have 2 first rd pick. Why not

You never mentioned giving up a 1st round pick in your post. We're not trading Maxx Williams, nobody places that much value on Ben Watson, and a 5th round pick doesn't move the barometer.

We don t really need Max. Wouldn't you trade him for a top pass rusher or a top DB which is what the team need. We have Pitta and Waller for our passing TE and Boyle and Gilmore as blocking TE. And yes people will give value to Ben Watson. Did you see him when he was playing for the saints before we get him. I m looking at the Jimmy Graham trade now and if i were Ozzie, i ll be calling Titans, Vikings, Eagles GMs for trade. We need elite game changers not just regular good players

  29 minutes ago, leziRav said:

I think Leslie Frazier was brought in to take over D Pees. Also we will get a better OC. After, my opinion is to lower the cap hit on Flacco, Dumervill, J Smith contract and then sign Alshon Jeffery ( best WR for Flacco), bring back Juice, B.Williams, Zach Orr. Then in the draft get an elite pass rusher, shut down CB, a safety, an o-line G/C. Also we have do something with our TEs. We won t be able to carry them all in the team next year. Better get a draft pick/trade player for them than losing them. We have Pitta, Gilmore, Watson, Max, Waller, Boyle. We only need 4 really. Maybe trade Watson and Max. We get good value out of them.

" Then in the draft get an elite pass rusher, shut down CB, a safety, an o-line G/C."

Gee, is that all you want out of a draft? How about a true #1 WR and another future star franchise QB in the mix while we're at it?

Flacco just renegotiated his contract recently to lower his cap hit. To expect him to do it again so soon is a little silly. Dumervil could be cut to save cap space. Brandon Williams is going to ask for crazy money. We aren't trading Maxx Williams and who in the heck wants an old Ben Watson coming off of a blown out knee? The Ravens are likely to cut him/injury settlement him.

Why not? How many Brady restructured his contrat for the team. If you sign Alshon Jeffery you don t need to draft a #1 WR. We can give an extension to Dumervill to lower his cap. We don t need to cut him.
All I am saying is feasible and will good for the Ravens. Why not trade Max when you have an healthy Pitta, Waller, Gilmore, Boyle. And if you can trade trade Watson why not? Why cut him?

  23 minutes ago, leziRav said:

  54 minutes ago, CaliRavenFan said:

  2 hours ago, FloridalovesRavens said:

All those fans that wanted us to lose to have a earlier draft pick should now be happy. Hope it made their day.

I didnt want us to lose, especially being Smitty's last game but we deserved to lose that game. #5 knows that he isn't going anywhere no matter how bad he plays and its easy to see. I would love to see us trade up in the draft with our 3rd round comp pick but I can already see us trading down for more middle of the draft picks. 

Maybe we send like TEs Max and Watson and a 5th/6th rounder to Tennessee for their #5 pick. They have 2 first round picks and need Tight ends.

You clearly do not understand the value of picks or I hope you are kidding? You want to trade our 2nd round pick from a couple seasons ago that has had injury problems, and then an OLD Ben Watson who spent all season in the IR with a blown out knee....and a 5th round pick for a 5th pick overall in the draft? You aren't getting a 1st round pick without giving up one first...so you start right there. Then to move up the spot the Ravens want to get to they'd probably need to tack on a 3rd round pick. The Titans would likely ask for a second round pick.

I m talking about moving up. They will get our 16th pick, a young TEs, a proven TE and a 5th round. I said that because they need TEs and have 2 first rd pick. Why not

  1 hour ago, FloridalovesRavens said:

All those fans that wanted us to lose to have a earlier draft pick should now be happy. Hope it made their day.

I didnt want us to lose, especially being Smitty's last game but we deserved to lose that game. #5 knows that he isn't going anywhere no matter how bad he plays and its easy to see. I would love to see us trade up in the draft with our 3rd round comp pick but I can already see us trading down for more middle of the draft picks. 

Maybe we send like TEs Max and Watson and a 5th/6th rounder to Tennessee for their #5 pick. They have 2 first round picks and need Tight ends.

I think Leslie Frazier was brought in to take over D Pees. Also we will get a better OC. After, my opinion is to lower the cap hit on Flacco, Dumervill, J Smith contract and then sign Alshon Jeffery ( best WR for Flacco), bring back Juice, B.Williams, Zach Orr. Then in the draft get an elite pass rusher, shut down CB, a safety, an o-line G/C. Also we have do something with our TEs. We won t be able to carry them all in the team next year. Better get a draft pick/trade player for them than losing them. We have Pitta, Gilmore, Watson, Max, Waller, Boyle. We only need 4 really. Maybe trade Watson and Max. We get good value out of them.

For those curious about how high or low we can pick, here are some stats I put together, Sunday games will change it.
As of week 16
Week 17 opponent Record:
12. Buffalo Bills: 7-8 SoS .493 Jets (4-11)
13. Indianapolis Colts: 7-8 SoS .510 Jags (3-12)
14. New Orleans Saints: 7-8 SoS .510 Falcons (10-5)
15. Philadelphia Eagles (via MIN): 7-8 SoS .514 Cowboys (13-2)
16. Tennessee Titans: 8-7 SoS .445 Texans (9-6)
17. Baltimore Ravens: 8-7 SoS .510 Bengals (5-9-1)
18. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: 8-7 SoS .510 Panthers (6-9)
19. Denver Broncos: 8-7 SoS .540 Raiders (12-3)
20. Washington Redskins: 8-6-1 SoS .507 Giants (10-5)

Doing the math, no matter the outcome of our game vs Bengals, we will pick between 14-20. Redskins are fighting for a playoff spot so I see them winning, also I see a Tampa Bay and Detroit win. So if the ravens win, we will pick between 17 if Broncos win or 18 if Broncos lose.

Winning this game would be idiotic, there's 8 teams hovering around the same record right now, so we can get a draft pick as high as 12 or as low as 21, potentially picking 12 in the draft is more important than being 9-7, we didn't make the playoffs so it's still a losing season

Ravens cannot pick at 21, the lowest will be 20. Also we won't be able to pick at 12. If Ravens lose and everyone else win, we will be at 8-8 and some of the 8-8 teams have a less strength of schedule than us. Tie breaker with draft order is opposite to tie breaker for playoffs. I think the best we can have is a pick around 14. I think Garrett Downing was wrong in yesterday Final Drive. Ravens cannot have 21pk nor 12 pk.