leziRav

alll of these 1st/2nd/3rd guys....Elam, Brown, Maxx, Davis, KC, Perriman-upshaw that's 6 PLAYERS that should be starters and dominating... yet not one knows how to play the RAVENS WAY. all this ''IN OZZ WE TRUST'' hahahahahah ill keep my mouth shut on what I think about it ...ill use my favorite word here and stay classy.... PATHETIC

The draft is not just about the first 3 rd, it is about the 7 rds and the UDA. Maxx, Perriman, KC are not bust yet. Was Paul Krauger a bust, was Jimmy Smith a bust, how long it tooks then to the players they are. You mention Elam, Brown, etc.. What about B Williams, Juice, Tucker, KO, Pitta, Wagner etc.. I can keep naming them. How every year NFL teams spend money on our free agents. It is because we have been drafting well. Again NFL draft is not just rd1,2 and 3. No team or GM will draft 7 starters each year in the draft. If you can get 3/4 starters of each draft through their rookie contract, then you will be successful as GM. This is the nature of the game. Our FO has been doing a very good job. They are among the best in the league and no one can't argue.

  35 minutes ago, leziRav said:

  3 hours ago, Rizixcon said:

I don´t want Tabor. Think he gets burned and takes chances way to often. I'd go with Sidney Jones or Wilson at this Point. Gareon Conley is also way too underrated at the moment, but I think he will rise in the next couple of weeks. I could also see us going pass rush/wr in the first and adress the CB position with a Cordrea Tankersley in the second.

Jones - Takk McSakk - Malachi Dupree
Solomon Thomas - Tankersley - Kupp
Corey Davis - Tankesley - Ryan Anderson

Those are all three options I could live with. Then take a safety with the second third rounder and go for center and a back in the fourth and fifth.

People talk about us being bad at drafting. Don't agree with that. The 2013 draft hurts us really badly with Elam and Arthur Brown and at the moment Correa and Williams in the two latest second rounders hurts quite badly, but the rest has turned out quite good. Perriman, Williams and Correa needs more time, but CJ, Lewis, Young and so on has been great picks.

I like that. I think we should get premium pass rusher in the first rd and then address the secondary in the 2nd and 3rd round. Also we should use our 3rd picks for Osemele on a premium center, i think Guillermo, Fuller or even Ethan Pocic maybe there. Then in 4th and later rounds we address the WR, RB and depth in CBs and OL.

I think a center could be found later. Orlovsky is projected later than Pocic, so he should be there in the fourth. I´d go safety with one of our two third rounders and then I´d go for the position which we haven't adressed in R1 and R2 of CB and Edge. I'd go for another Oline player in the fourth as I said wether C or G it doesn't matter. Don't see any tackles of worth in this draft so late though.

I think that will be risky. If Pocic or Guillermo is sitting there at rd 3, I will take them instead of waiting 4th. I really doubt they will be there when we pick at end of rd3. Center is our needed position. If we go pass rusher and CB in first 2 rd, then safety in first pick in rd3, then we should address immediately the center position. I think Ozzie will get a possession WR in the free agency so we can address the WR in later rounds.

I don´t want Tabor. Think he gets burned and takes chances way to often. I'd go with Sidney Jones or Wilson at this Point. Gareon Conley is also way too underrated at the moment, but I think he will rise in the next couple of weeks. I could also see us going pass rush/wr in the first and adress the CB position with a Cordrea Tankersley in the second.

Jones - Takk McSakk - Malachi Dupree
Solomon Thomas - Tankersley - Kupp
Corey Davis - Tankesley - Ryan Anderson

Those are all three options I could live with. Then take a safety with the second third rounder and go for center and a back in the fourth and fifth.

People talk about us being bad at drafting. Don't agree with that. The 2013 draft hurts us really badly with Elam and Arthur Brown and at the moment Correa and Williams in the two latest second rounders hurts quite badly, but the rest has turned out quite good. Perriman, Williams and Correa needs more time, but CJ, Lewis, Young and so on has been great picks.

I like that. I think we should get premium pass rusher in the first rd and then address the secondary in the 2nd and 3rd round. Also we should use our 3rd picks for Osemele on a premium center, i think Guillermo, Fuller or even Ethan Pocic maybe there. Then in 4th and later rounds we address the WR, RB and depth in CBs and OL.

1 hour ago, zing21042 said:

I apologize in advance, but I think you are kidding yourself. The Ravens have always been a team to keep games close. That being said, among this years opponents and over a period of 16 games, (if memory serves) we only won 2 games against teams with winning records...the Steelers and Miami. Look at the records of some of the others we beat; 1-15 (Browns), 3-13 (Jags), 6-9 (Bengals), 7-9 (Bills) and 7-9 (Eagles). And you really think we are a few moves away?

The Browns right now are projected to be $110 million under the cap. Adding in an estimated $15 mil for the 2017 increase, that is $125 mil UNDER the cap. They can afford to go out and fill every key position from prowl bowl players next year. That does not even include two first round picks in the upcoming draft. The Ravens could easily find themselves at the bottom of the division next year. Look what happened to our offensive line when we lost Osemele this year.

The fact is that the Ravens continue to lose their best players to the cap and have lost their passion to play. With the retirement of Smith, we no longer have anyone to light a fire under the team. The biggest shame is that Flacco even 8-9 years in, still does not know how to run a 2 minute drill. Joe needs 4 minutes to run what "elite" QBs can do with less than 50 seconds left. That is why the Ravens can never sit on a lead i.e., the Steelers game.

I am rambling a bit here, but the fact is that there are a lot of things wrong with this team and "...a few moves.." is not going to get us to the playoffs...in my opinion.

I think those are just your opinion. What the cap space of the Brown has to do with us making the play offs. The Brown always had big cap number space and had multiple first rd picks in years. We all know the result.

Regarding the record of the team we beat, that is not a projection of next season. This year most of team were average, record does not matter.What matters is how we play the big team.  We were very close of beating those big boys. Had we had good corners, we would have won the giants, steelers and maybe the comboys which would have take us to play off. So we are close. Every expert who watch our games will say we are few players away from being in the dance. The good thing is that we can fil  those holes in the draft and don't have to spend a lot of money in free agency.

So please don't compare us to the Brown and if you think we will be at the bottom of the division, then you must be in the wrong camp then. The Ravens organization is not a losing organization. We always fight and play hard. Go Ravens, next year will be our year.

  1 hour ago, leziRav said:

  1 hour ago, dirtybird66 said:

the SKIN'S are said they will have to let go either DESHAUN JACKSON or PIERRE CARCONE,I have heard CARCONE is a true baller that blocks really well downfield and has not lost a step.

Pierre Garçon is the type of possession WR the team is looking for. All he has to do is drive few miles on I95, direction Owings Mills. Skins will give a big contract to Cousin so won't be able to sign him. I rather give a contract to Garçon than $8 Mill to Wallace who is not a good team player. The dude creates problem because he is not targeted much.

Garcon is not an 8mil WR any longer, Wallace will cost too much to release and he was over 1000 yds this year we have to expect him to perform that well again. But I would pay Garcon 3.5Mil for 1 yr with a 1yr option. That is less than Aikens contract and he is looking to lock in for 3 years. Wallace, Perriman, Garcon, Chris Moore, Keenan Renolds, and Campinaro make a pretty nice receiving corp, very workable. I like Chris Moores catchabilty.. Plus a pick in the draft if one presents itself.

Well I won't give Wallace $8Mil and no way you are getting Garçon for 3.5 Mil, you are looking at 5 to 7 Mil for him. If Wallace decide to take less, like $4 Mil then I will go with that. We already have Perriman and Moores who can do the job of Wallace, we need someone to replace Steve, and Garçon fits just that. However I would love to see Garçon, Wallace, Perriman, Moore, Campinaro as our WR corp

we are soooooo far away from contention its not even funny... were missing a RB.. SOME OL.. ALOT OF WR.. DL.. LBS(ILB OLB)DB...S.. we need help at everyyy position and were not the type to break the bank or draft for need. I really don't see us doing much of anything for another 2-5 years. Drafts have put us back... players wanting more money.. injuries...$.... now lets wait another 4 months for the draft to hear a name NONE of us is heard of but ozzie thinks is good... UTTER PATHETIC

Maybe you should root for another team. Ravens are not far away from contention. We were very close this year. Have we had Jimmy on field against the Giants and Steelers, we would have been playing the Pats last night. So we are only CBs away from contention. OL, OLB only need upgrade. We just need different type of WR and RB. We are not in a hole and will be in the dance next year. Go Ravens

  53 minutes ago, leziRav said:

  1 hour ago, dirtybird66 said:

the SKIN'S are said they will have to let go either DESHAUN JACKSON or PIERRE CARCONE,I have heard CARCONE is a true baller that blocks really well downfield and has not lost a step.

Pierre Garçon is the type of possession WR the team is looking for. All he has to do is drive few miles on I95, direction Owings Mills. Skins will give a big contract to Cousin so won't be able to sign him. I rather give a contract to Garçon than $8 Mill to Wallace who is not a good team player. The dude creates problem because he is not targeted much.

I don't blame Wallace for wanting the ball. No proof he is not a good teammate. Where did you hear that?

In a game last season, he scored and refused to celebrate with teammates because he wanted the ball more. Also there was report that he had issue Miami HC because he wanted the ball more. His press conference when we sign him, he said stuff about his former QB than a pro should not say in public. My point is that he is a selfish WR and can easily create problem in a team. I don't blame him for wanting the ball more, but when not targeted, he should not show frustration and take it on his teammates.

the SKIN'S are said they will have to let go either DESHAUN JACKSON or PIERRE CARCONE,I have heard CARCONE is a true baller that blocks really well downfield and has not lost a step.

Pierre Garçon is the type of possession WR the team is looking for. All he has to do is drive few miles on I95, direction Owings Mills. Skins will give a big contract to Cousin so won't be able to sign him. I rather give a contract to Garçon than $8 Mill to Wallace who is not a good team player. The dude creates problem because he is not targeted much.

Perriman, your new hobby is to watch and study Julio Jones. You are both relatively the same type of player as far as speed, size and athleticism. Biggest difference at this point is Julio has been working on his craft longer. Learn everything you can from him, how he makes his breaks, how he gets separation, etc. I don't expect you to be the same player as him, but to get better you gotta learn/study the best and right now he is the best. If you can improve your routes and separation even just a little, those little changes will lead to big plays and more consistent success. His 73 yard TD was very similar to the big forty something yard play Perriman made on a crossing route (same route).

No point in looking for a #1 WR this draft, IMHO. You will give up too much to justify the selection and prevent addressing other needs with high draft picks. Really there are already a lot of different receivers on the roster and just like the RB they were not being fully utilized. The offense more than anything needs refinement over this off-season to really extract the most of out his group.

I agree, all Perriman really need is to work on his route and separation, also to work on his hands. Maybe more time on the jugs machine to work on his hands and more time watching videos of great WR on running route and separation. The kid already has athleticism and speed that cannot be teach or learn.

  1 hour ago, merryjman said:

Ozzie can't catch a break with you people sometimes:

--If he takes a gamble on a receiver and misses (Clayton) he was an idiot for trying.
--If he picks a solid, no-gamble starter (Stanley) he was an idiot for not trading up to get a more dynamic player like Bosa or Ramsey.
--If he trades out of the first round entirely to accumulate picks, he was an idiot for not staying put and getting round 1 talent.
--If he trades up to get a projected good talent (A Brown), he was an idiot for wasting it on someone we eventually waived and who never started.
--If he doesn't trade up, he was an idiot for it.
--etc.

Isn't it more fair and more accurate to admit that drafting is really difficult, and subject to the same laws of probability as everything else? Ozzie gets love because ON AVERAGE he does better than a lot of other managers, not because he's infallible.

Best kicker in the league? Undrafted rookie. Our starting O-line? A 4th round pick and a 5th rounder in there. Osemele and Williams, late 2 / late 3 got so good we couldn't afford to keep them!

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And this idea that Ozzie has been whiffing on first round picks lately is ludicrous.

-Stanley will be a perennial pro bowler if he stays healthy.
-Jimmy Smith was such an important part of our defense, we couldn't win without him.
-Perriman had a couple great catch-and-run plays just like Julio this season, so who's to say he's a bust at this point? Injuries are basically random.
-CJ Mosley is a seriously good player, and is only going to get better.
-Matt Elam sucks, no getting around that one. But everyone else in the league thought he was a great pick at #32, so what you gonna do?
 

Most of it is a crapshoot, I'll give you that, but we have not been drafting well for many years. Mosley and Jimmy were good but not great, they've both had their share of ups and downs.

 

Using Stanley as an example is trendy but shortsighted, he's played 1 year. Pump the brakes.

Perriman has proven nothing yet, he can't even consistently crack the starting lineup.

 

Well Perriman really played only one year and never had a full training camp yet.So if you don't want to judge Stanley yet, then let not judge Perriman yet.
Merryjman was right on point. How could you blame Ozzie? Point me some GMs who had done better than him. Ozzie only first rd bust recently was Elam.
How can you said Mosley is just good. 2X probawler in the last 3 yr. Also forget about the early rd picks or late rd picks. It is all about how many good starter who get from a draft. Ozzie and our staffs have been master in that domain. Give the man credit

So now we are admitting that Perriman is not a number one receiver?

He is not playing like a number one WR now, maybe he could turn out to be number one WR. So far the coaching are not happy about his progress. He seems to be a slow learner. Looks like everything is slow with him except his speed. His injuries are slow to recover. Maybe we should give him time to figure out NFL. Meanwhile we look for a number 1 WR in free agent till he is ready.

  42 minutes ago, RavenManiac#7 said:

  1 hour ago, Minionhunter said:

What people should be debating is if we should have gone after Alex Mack when his agent was pushing us to do so. Either the first time when he stayed (Browns kept him on matched offer) or the second time.

Amen. Center, which was a huge strength when Birk was here, has been a weakness since he retired. I, Big time, wanted us to get Mack. I am fast losing faith with "In Ozzie we trust". In fact, I think that I, actually, Have lost faith with it. Just too many high round draft choice misses. That, and what I've come to believe is his failed strategy of hoarding mid round draft choices. I've come to believe that he has to move to a quality verses quantity philosophy in the draft, but with his all too often whiffs in those early rounds, I'm not so sure that he can be successful with that either. I am Not a Flacco basher but, after watching Matt Ryan, I've come to believe that Ozzie should have listened to Bisciotti and moved up for Ryan instead of insisting that Flacco was the right guy for us. After years of denying it, I'm now at the point where I believe that Ryan is the better QB of the two.

Matt Ryan plays in a dome with elite WR and TE his whole carrear and only now is he getting to the superbowl. Do you really think he could have done that in Baltimore with the WR cast that Joe has had? How many drops in the endzone can you count in playoff games that cost us trips to the super bowl? Think Ryan is who he is without Julio Jones, Roddy White, and that amazing TE who retired that I can't remember his name now? How does Ryan do in the cold and the wind? Meh, dome team QB with crazy WR/TE talent, plus a great OC and OL.

So many people discount how much a factor the OL is when judging the QB. Lets chat again next year after we look at the Ravens OL when they are not being crippled by Castillo. Those stats are all the proof needed that his dismissal this year was long overdue.

100% agree. That TE name is Tony Gonzalez, HoF career. Give Flacco a good OL, good WRs and a good OC, then we all know what will happen, 11 TD, 0 INT and a SB when he had a good OL, Anquan, Torrey, healthy Pitta, Jacoby and Jim Caldwell as OC. Then look at his number when he had Kubiac as OC. I am not saying Joe is like Brady, P. Manning, Aaron or Drew but he is a good QB and Matt Ryan is not much better than him. They are in the same class.

  2 hours ago, leziRav said:

  5 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Wow that really sucks! I am glad he is alright and that he was a raven but now we have another huge hole to fill. 

Reuben Foster anyone?

I thing we have in house replacement. No need to waste a first rd there.

I think your right. Onwuasor, Patrick, McClellan, Albert, or Louis, Lamar.

adding KC to that pool. This year was his first year as ILB. I think the kid is not a bust and will turn out to be a good Raven player. We had Zach as starter only in the last year of his rookie contract. I think ILB is not need.

Wow that really sucks! I am glad he is alright and that he was a raven but now we have another huge hole to fill. 

Reuben Foster anyone?

I thing we have in house replacement. No need to waste a first rd there.

wish you the best Zach. Thank God nothing serious happened to you on field. We lost Tray Walker and now Zach to congenital neck issue. I wish something big positive happened to this organization. We really need it, maybe 3 SBs in the next 3 year

Hester had a good day because it was his last game and had to give all. Anyone saw him vs Detroit, he was the same Ravens Hester.
Regarding the playoffs, we hate both the steelers and the pats. However I would want to see the steelers beat the pats and then get their heart broken in SB by the Falcons/ Packers.
Ray Lewis has to be negative, critical of players because of the nature of his job. Journalism, News is about entertainment now days for viewers. But I think Ray is better than that. I would love to see him in our coach staff even if it is just a motivator and someone that will teach the young players about the Ravens mentality and the Ravens football.

Regardless of how anyone here feels about how the new coaching staff is panning out, remember, the biggest complaint this year was about our coaches. They are bringing in new guys and trying to improve on last year as we have begged them to do. As far as hiring "friends", the NFL is a small world with a small pool of people to work with. You want guys with NFL experience and a proven track record and I believe we're bringing in "Smarts" and "fresh eyes" into our coaching staff and also remember, the main bosses are still in place in Harbs, Ozzie, Pees and Mornhinweg . We keep continuity where we need it and added a few new faces to stir things up. We now have 2, Offensive coaches on board.
I seriously don't know how anyone can blast our new hires before anyone even see's one minute of what they can do here. This is a team game and our team just got better IMHO.
For some of you, think of it this way, Biscotti wants to win as much as the rest of us do and I'm sure they will do everything in their power to do so so, don't sweat the small stuff!
If hiring Roman is the worst thing that happens to you this year, consider yourself very lucky.

Well said. Who care if Harbs is only hiring friends. He is the man in charge and his job is to make the team better. It is about who you trust, who believe to the same mentality as you do. As fans our job is to root for the team, support them and enjoy the wins. When It come to building the team, let leave that to Ozzie and Harbs. They had us SB and a lot of wins. So they will do their best to get us win a SB again. Last year there was pressure on Ozzie about drafting and look how he responded, 2016 draft.
For the fans who are hoping or calling for a bad 2017 season, maybe you should find another team, cause you are not a raven diehard fan.

  13 hours ago, verified said:

we can have all the coaches in the world but it wont make a difference if ozzie keeps drafting trash

Exactly

I guess CJ, B.Williams, Timmy, KO, Wagner, Juice, Orr, A.Lewis, Judon, Dixon, Young etc... are old trash

  14 minutes ago, Doomville said:

I think if either fournette or cook falls to us, Ravens will sweep him up in a hurry. The o-line wasn't amazing but it still wasn't bad. Also, don't forget that alex lewis missed last 8 or so games due to injury so once he returns, the line should be: Stanley, Lewis, Zuttah, Yanda, Wagner (if he resigns). Zuttah should be the one we look to upgrade and the o-line will no longer be a weakness. A top rb will take off a lot of pressure on flacco which will help him a lot. 

YUP, we need a new Center...  Urschel who has been the backup...  Could he be a replacement?

The replacement will come from the draft, I think Ethan Pocic or Jay Guillermo will be on board for us in 3rd. I like Guillermo more, 325lb and he was a beast during the championship game vs Alabama.

  1 hour ago, JD08 said:

  3 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

  4 hours ago, The Greek said:

he will take over in week 4. this draft is deep with cb's and edge rushers. hope the fo trades our late rd picks to move up or grab an extra 2nd or 3rd, pierre garcon or possibly kenny britt but i wish we could develop receivers for once. still hoping perriman and chris moore get it done

Moore at the very least has looked great on ST. We all know Perriman is electric. He and Flacco need to get together this offseason. We also need creative plays to get him the ball. His hands aren't bad it's a concentration thing where he looks up field before completing the catch. 

I don't think I've ever seen a post about Flacco working with any receivers in the offseason before...

Bruh, Flacco is one annoying creature. Don't hold your breathe, he won't be taking any such proactive steps anytime soon. Personally, I know Flacco is a great player...WHEN HE WANTS TO BE. Playoff game he shows up, game on the line he mostly shows up...heck I believe if we had the ball with a minute and change left at Pitt, Flacco probably wins that game too. Problem is; why can't he play with the same focus and intensity consistently? How come he is able to find open receivers in those pressure moments but sleep-walks his way through most of the game? I've seen talented people like Flacco who are seemingly bored with life and only get going when there's a boot up their behinds. Flacco desperately needs a coach with a size 14 boot constantly lodged in Joe's behind. He needs to be called out before, during and after the game, constantly pressured to be great or he'll always veer back into his default snooze mode, and making rare appearances in big moments.

I agree or have a good back up behind him that will challenge him for the starting job.
Regarding working with the WRs, I think Flacco said that we will put something together to work with the young WRs during the offseason. I can't remimber if it was an article or an interview.

  3 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

This corner class might be 14' WR deep. That does not mean let's wait an eternity to pick one either. 

After Jones, Wilson, Lattimore, Lewis, and King, there is a dip. Not saying the others aren't going to be good starters, but the top 5 are likely going to be game changers. 

I disagree. Humphrey, Tabor, Jackson, Tankersley, White, Conley & Chidobe are all equally talented, if not more than the guys you listed. There are 12-15 top quality NFL starting CB in this draft. I would love for the Ravens to go out and get two of them - let's put this CB thing to rest.

As much as the trolls on here would cry, I would like to see Oz move back into the 20s in the 1st round and snag 1 of those CB and then use those extra picks to move up in the 2nd Round to snag another one of those guys.

But, I have a feeling the Ravens will have most of those guys pretty evenly rated (they are imo) - meaning that at least 1 of them will be around in the 2nd round. Wouldn't surprise me if the Ravens didn't use a 1st Round pick on a CB but instead went with Solomon Thomas (if he falls) or a WR like Corey Davis/Mike Williams. Peppers would make for a great S as well.

I agree, I m thinking of picking an outside started QB in the first, then move up in the second to pick a safety (one of the top 5 safeties will be there) then in mid rounds we can get our back up CBs. Also we get a top center in 3rd rd. Regarding pass rushers, if a top one is not there at 16th then no need to get a pass rusher in the first 3 rounds. Let give a chance to the pass rushers we already have on the roster ( KC back to OLB, Kaufusi DE and Judon is already a good pass rusher). Also we can cut Doom and resign him cheaper. Vic Beasley rookie year was a bust, but he lead the league with sacks in his second year. I think healthy Suggs, Doom, Judon, Z. Smith, KC, Kaufusi could be enough.

I use walk the mock draft and here is what I have. You all can play with it and give us your 7 rounds picks. www.walkthemock.com

1 hour ago, Drew P said:

Not realistic, some good names though. I think Solomon goes top ten.

Williams will go to the Bungles and they will terrorize the Ravens forever lol

Then we will draft Humphrey and sign Joe Haden ( who will be release by the browns). What about that as response.

57 minutes ago, Drew P said:

Not realistic, some good names though. I think Solomon goes top ten.

Williams will go to the Bungles and they will terrorize the Ravens forever lol

Then we will draft Humphrey and sign Joe Haden ( who will be release by the browns). What about that as response.

17 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

i meant to fanspeak to play off (i trust my own board at this point more than most of the ones on that site as they are at the moment - its always frustrating because they have a lot of players in similar places and then a load of players who are like a 100 places too low on the board which kind of ruins the authenticity because of course you'd take them at that point in the draft in real life but in their simulation you know they will be around in another round's time when they might not even make it to the pick before for example)

but thanks anyway lol

What is yours?