ByTheBay

If this were true there wouldn't be a need for a PR department. I can assure you someone from the ravens organization monitors these boards and reports fan sentiment back to a superior. All corporations and politicians have to keep their constituents happy otherwise they will suffer professionally. 

For whatever reason, this past season was the one that made me lose all faith in Joe Flacco. It may have something to do with realizing he is going into his 10th season and I continue to hear what others need to do to make him successful. Anyway, I don't have season tickets but usually find a way to attend a few games each year, buy sunday ticket and buy merchandise when the mood strikes. Last season I did none of it. I also used to record 4 daytime games and the night game every sunday. I basically binge watched football for 10 hours every sunday and watched thursday and monday nights. Last season I barely made the effort to watch the Ravens play. I am not some fly by night fan. I was raised in MD, am 40 years old and have watched football so long I can remeber the colts games at memorial. It pains me to say but I am losing interest. I am still interested as is obvious by me being on this board and hopefully next season will be different. It's hard to be interested in a team where the team leader and qb dont seem to be too interested themselves. 

Most fans in my possition just fade away and you never hear why. I am just expressing my opinion. I want to stay a fan but it's getting harder. 

On 2/14/2017 at 2:27 PM, trevorsteadman said:

I would agree but Baltimore is known for its insane taxes. When Flacco was made the highest paid quarterback in the league, Drew Brees was actually making more after taxes. So the 1 million difference could be even more after that is accounted for. 

The tax argument is only valid for the 8 home games players have. NFL players have to file taxes in each of the 8 states their away games are in each year. It's not where you live but where you earn the income that determines who collects taxes.

9 hours ago, berad said:

I have the same question.

Maybe one coaches schemes and the other focuses on technique?

Honestly couldn't tell you... those two words are synonymous in my book.

I think I heard somewhere that we have the largest coaching staff in the NFL. Could that be part of our problem? Too many opposing viewpoints. It will be interesting to see how a heavy run guy like Roman will work with a pass heavy guy like Marty. If they have any chemistry it could be a thing of beauty but I would think the most likely outcome will be fustration with each other until one leaves. Hope I am wrong

On 2/14/2017 at 1:25 PM, nj_ravens said:

" we will essentially have the same offense we did last year which was ok at best and was very inconsistent from week to week"

This is inherently not true, since it was Trestman's offense.

I hear this a lot and have to say that with this logic, we won the SB thanks to Cam Cameron's offense. If Marty bears no responsibility for our losses last season then Caldwell can take no credit for our SB win. I'm open to hearing a logical explanation as to why this is wrong. 

It's probably hoping for too much but wouldn't it be great if Corea is able to fill the void left by Orr and Bronson K came back from IR ready to make some noise. At some point we are going to get production from more than a couple players in a draft class and I have a good feeling about the 2016 draftees.

44 minutes ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

I think you are stretching things about every position, its a match game when you are facing FA with the talent the Ravens have.
I find it amazing how its said there is so much to need, yet, we value every player we have?
Lets look at it just a little more in detail instead of generalizing- Jacket is correct;

Tackle or a Guard in the draft - added to Stanley, Lewis, Yanda, Jenson, Urshel, newbies- Nembot, Skura, Pughsley, De Ondre with an option at Ducasse.

QB, TE, strong RB and WR good but could use some strengthening

The D line is solid, just need to decide on Williams.
The LB corp is well above average.
Safeties corp finished well last year, solid for the most part.

CB is the position of big need for the Ravens .

The Ravens are in better shape than many NFL teams, They need to tweek things and maybe be a little more risky in my opinion.

I'm really not trying to be an alarmist but the way I see our roster is this:

Offense:

QB - set

RB - I am fine with what we have but so many feel we could use an upgrade

TE - I am fine with what we have but so many feel we could use an upgrade

WR - Need to replace SSS and maybe Aiken

Oline - Need to replace Zuttah and maybe Wagner and add bigger stronger depth

Defense:

Safety - Webb needs to be upgraded

CB - Need upgrade opposite Jimmy and possibly another quality addition to back up jimmy when he misses games as he does

MLB - need to replace Orr

OLB - need more pass rush

Oline - there will most likely be a drop off in production if Williams goes so we will need to try and help Pierce and maybe Davis if they are not up to the task. 

So thats every group but QB, RB and TE. I know we have young draft picks that should be able to fill some of these voids but the FO doesnt speak about them with confidence. I think we will field a respectable team next season but it will be a surprise if they can fill all of those weaknesses. I also have high hopes that Maxx will have a big year after setting rookie TE records last year. And our draft picks from last year may also contribute in a possitive way taking some of the pressure off the FO. 

44 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

As is the case every year, there will be positions and classes of positions that are merely "projected" as weak, and turn out to be quite strong, and vice versa.

When most people look at classes and label them as "strong" or "weak", in most cases, they're looking at the first round exclusively.

Given what I've seen this team do historically in prior drafts, I see no reason why they wouldn't come out of the draft with a quality Tackle or Guard, and can probably do so with a day 2 or 3 pick.

I hope you are right because I can see some other team overpaying Wagner and Alex Lewis moving to RT. That might leave us looking for 2 OLineman in the draft. Also FA but whoever is available may not be as good as what we are letting go if Zuttah and Wagner are gone. Why does it feel like we have major needs at every possition but QB, RB and TE? Ozzie has some work to do this year. 

19 minutes ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

No Cruze Let wagner walk if any body gives him anywhere near 10 mill a year they should get fired and as for B.Williams I guess you would play for 14 mill ayear Dude your actually worth about half that

The problem is it is a bad year for OL in the draft and FA isn't going to be much better. Without options we are limited as to what we can do without signing Wagner. In other words, we will get what we pay for. 

Man I hope Wagner gets signed. If he leaves and Flacco has another bad year this will be the excuse we hear all season. Of course if he stays and flacco has a bad year it will be Marty's fault so pick your poison. 

1 hour ago, Azzi22 said:

ive been saying the same for years... I don't get how the NFL and media thinks OZZ is the DRAFT GOD.. hes horrible.. our team is PATHETIC because of it hes got more misses than hits in the last 5 drafts.. say what you wanna say but the problem is OBVIOUS..

Do you think that everyone else is drafting probowlers every round of every draft? Every team has more misses than hits and that includes the early rounds. Thats how it works.  There are easily 15-20 other teams that would kill to have Ozzie as their GM 😀

For me ideally we keep Wallace on his current contract and hope Perrimann has a good developmental year and can replace wallace in 2018. No more extending players only to resent them later please. Trying to recreate the past seldom works and I have a feeling having Torrey back in bmore would be a let down for the team and it's fans. If Marshall becomes available we should go at him hard. Marshall, Wallace, Perriman, (Campanero) would be a decent line up. Moore is all ready a difference maker on st and could progress as a wr moving forward. Maybe they push Waller back into the WR group if Camp is not brought back? No room for him as a TE.  

11 minutes ago, lowcountryraven said:

Just remember, if the intentional face mask was called on the Patriots, which was so obvious that one wonders what the Refs intentions were or just plain incompetence. We will never know. The holding penalty would have offset and Atlanta could have attempted a field goal and probably win the game with a little over 3 minutes left

I believe the play you are referring to had offsetting face mask penalties from both players so the refs likely let it slide. 

1 hour ago, budman said:

Point is that they would not be able to win the division EVERY year as they have done in the east. If they do not win their division every year, they do not get the byes and they do not end up in that many Super Bowls. Yep, I'm hating on them because I can't stand them.

Fans also need to wake up to the fact that the Dolphins had 10 wins this year. Jets had 10 wins last year. Bills had 9 in 2014 and so on. It's not like the pats are playing the browns 6 times a year. Other teams in the AFCE are competitive. They just aren't as good as the Pats. 

In fact since 2008 the Patriots have a 13-6 record against the AFCN and only 1 of those games was against the browns. So they beat the Ravens, Steelers and Bengles 2 out of every 3 times they play them. I would guess that is inline with their win percentage in their own division. 

Oh and I apologize for sticking up for the patriots. I hate them but facts are facts and I believe we as a team and fan base can not get better by continuing to stick our heads in the sand and blame our problems on others. 

29 minutes ago, ravens4life86 said:

Bythebay, I dont recall 25 point leads in those other games you mentioned. In fact cowboysv Pack was close down the stretch. So thats not choking.
Choking is when percentages say 95% chance or better 1 team has game locked up. I dont know odds but I would assume 25 point lead close to 90-95% win probability for Falcons.
Thats Choking.

I will give you GB Screwed up the onside kick but not nearly as bad cause competatition so even. People thought Falcons are the overrated franchise and they were shocking the world...then they Choked like they always do.
Playcalling,play execution, clock management. Everyone involved but Matt Ryan gets most blame cause he touches the ball every play. No different then Flacco in this city or any other city

The true dictionary definition of choking is

"to lose ones composure and fail to perform effectively in a critical situation"

No need to be so extreme to try and make your point by saying a team needs to have 95% chance of winning in order to qualify as choking

Think of it this way, it's a tied game with no time left and Lebron gets fouled as the buzzer sounds. He has 2 shots to win the game and both are airballs. Did he choke?

6 minutes ago, The Beak said:

Holy Snapface , did MARTY MORNINGWIG call the falcons plays in the 4th quarter.. we are in field goal range we kick a field goal and the game is over, but HEY lets not RUN the ball lets take a chance to get a sack (it happened ) or get a holding penalty (it happened) and give them a chance to tie it , yeah that's the ticket,,, dumb as a rock!!! Falcon Fans welcome to our world with MORNINGWIG...

If there's one thing the Pats seem to be very good at it is making in game adjustments. Harbaugh's crew has never seemed to even try to make adjustments no matter who is calling the plays. Pats came out of halftime with 

48 minutes ago, ravens4life86 said:

Falcons Biggest Chokers the World has ever seen. I saw Jerry Coleman trying to put Matt Ryan over Flacco last night at end of 3rd quarter. Then what happens.. Matty Ice melted like the wicked witch of the west. Fumble turnover, gamechanger. And critical Sack instead of audibling to runs or just throwing the ball out of bounds.

Falcons still the most overrated team ever.
Any other team and that game is over. Packers,Cowboys,Hawks etc
Not the Atlanta Chokers

If by choking you mean calling the wrong plays for the situation then you need to take the halks off of your list. They proved they also can choke on the biggest stage and to the pats no less. The Cowboys choked against the Packers just last month in a final game winning drive so they are off too. 2 years ago the Packers choked to the Seahawks after being up 16 at halftime in the championship game. 

So I guess its not any other team and the game is over huh?

45 minutes ago, robbie29 said:

The NFL is becoming more and more like WWE- it's more about entertaining and less about playing the freakin' game. With all the billions that are tied up in the league, each week and especially the Super Bowl- there's no way I'll believe that a lot of what we're seeing ain't scripted. Heck, we're probably just a few years away from entire seasons being choreographed.

Break out the tin foil hats. I hear there's aliens in the Nevada desert too. 

56 minutes ago, Derrel said:

While I admit NE's offense was getting it done in the 4th qtr, Atl. lost the game with poor coaching decisions. Same as NE's win against Seattle. Coaches lost that game. The Atl. players must be overwhelmed with anger.

Just proof that Bellicheck really is the best coach in the league. He finds a way to win while others find a way to lose. It pains me to say it but after that comeback last night he and Brady may be the greatest of all time. As much as I hate the patriots, we all watched something historic last night. 

4 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Which the NFL prefers, because they make more money off of you when you stay at home and watch on TV.

I wonder if the ROI is really worth it for advertisers when so many fans dvr the games and fast forward through the commercials?

17 hours ago, Adreme said:

You know they were 1 play and about 1 yard off winning the division right?  How much closer to being a playoff team can you be than that.

So so sick of hearing this. No they were 1 win closer to reaching the playoffs. No one can logically say they would have beaten the Bengles. No one can honestly think that CIN would not have come to play if it meant ruining our season. And no one can honestly say, after how hot/cold Joe Flacco and the ravens have been over the past 10 years that they could not have collapsed in cincy. I would have hoped we would have won but so many fans have said this and it couldn't be more wrong. 

17 hours ago, The Beak said:

My 2 cents, I like Pryor , still a little raw at WR, but a lot of upside...

I like him too. Problem is the Ravens aren't very good at developing receivers so bringing in someone who is raw with upside would be a waste and I think Ozzie knows it. If available, my money would be on Marshall. Feels like a typical Ozzie signing. Plug and play

2 hours ago, crazyboutravens said:

I certainly hope the subject of Joe being elite would just go away. It is irrelevant.

It's really more of a national joke at this point so I don't mind it as much anymore. I don't think anyone actually thinks Flacco is elite. It was debated for so long and he has gotten worse. Thats the joke. Wasnt there even a sign at a political rally last year saying "Joe Flacco is Elite". No one is taking him seriously anymore. 

On 1/26/2017 at 8:44 PM, bigcatfrank1 said:

Nose tackles command big money in the NFL, its one of the "big" money positions. So Brandon and his Agent know it. The real issue is what team will offer him the money and will they be a contender. Because if he takes 10mil with a below .500 team and misses the playoffs it could hurt him rather than staying with the Ravens for 8 mil and playing in 2 playoff games and getting to the Super-Bowl that would be lights out above a 4 year/40mil

Ravens fans are living in the past. We are the below .500 team you speak of. Brandon Williams was drafted in 2013. He has only seen 2 playoff games in the 4 years he has been here. Granted they were an exciting 2 games but he hasnt tasted the same post season success as the pre SB Harbaugh team did. Why on earth would he take a home town discount for mediocrity? 

45 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, its not actually true that they'd be trading for the 3rd highest salary in the league either. Keep in mind that much of Joe's compensation is in the form of bonuses, which is something that doesn't transfer over to another team on a trade. The only thing another team gets is the base salary in a trade and any future roster/option bonuses (and I'm not 100% sure they transfer either).

So, for example, IF (which this obviously isn't happening) they traded Joe this offseason, his base salaries for the next three years are all under $20M ($6M in 2017, $12M in 2018, $18.5M in 2019). Joe did defer a portion of his signing bonus from this past season to 2017, but my understanding is that the Ravens would be on the hook for that, not another team.

So any team trading for him would only have to pay him $36.5M over the next three years (and average of roughly $12M a season, which is an extreme bargain), and $81M over the next five years, which is still an average of $16.2M a year. At an AAV of $16.2M over five years, he would be the 23rd highest paid QB in the league currently, sandwiched between Alex Smith and Andy Dalton. 

AND keep in mind that none of those salaries is currently guaranteed, so any team that traded for him and didn't alter his deal could cut or trade him at any given time with zero dead money attached.

So, needless to say, IF (again, this isn't happening) a team were going to trade for him, they'd be getting a very cost effective, non-guaranteed contract. 

Ah I see my mistake is using the term "trade" when the comment I was rebuffing was (all you flacco bashers.... have absolutely no clue what youre talking about... I can easily say 15-20 teams WISH AND PRAYED TO GOD they can have someone Flacco under center) 

So my mistake. Please respond to my comments with this in mind. The poster stated 15-20 teams wished they "had" Joe Flacco. Not based in an argument where they would get him on the cheap due to a trade deal we could never realistically afford. His salary is the main issue that I have with him. If he was only 12m a year I would love to have him as my qb.

How many teams would take Joe Flacco for his current contract. Thanks 

7 minutes ago, Azzi22 said:

5-6? hahahah what hahaha... lets start..AFCE: bills...jets...dolphins(if u don't think they would take flacco over tannehil ur dumb)..AFCN: browns....AFCS: Houston/titans/jags.. (DONT TELL ME MARIOTTA)...AFCW: Denver....NFCE: Eagles/skins....NFCN:Vikings/bears......NFCS:Bucs....NFCW:Cards/rams/49ers....if you don't think ANYYYY of these teams would rather have flacco under center than the current one they have then u got issues...

Again calling people dumb makes you sound uneducated. But I will take the bait. 

First, no way in the world would LA or Philly trade their new starting rookie QB for Flacco. Too much potential there. Same with Denver. 

It could be debated whether or not Joe is an upgrade over Mariota, Winston, Cousins, Palmer or Bradford. 

So that leaves the Jets, Dolphins, Bills, browns, Bears and 49ers. 6 teams that would for sure "wish and pray to god" as you said for Joe Flacco. 

Look, I know we are all passionate about out Ravens but there is a lot of valid criticism for Flacco and saying that almost 2/3 of the teams in this league would pray to have him is a little bit homer. I'd say a lot homer. Which you have every right to be as a fan.  

13 minutes ago, jhulax35 said:

Guess you don't think that's a little wrong with all the short passes completed to the RB

I can only say to you that statistics are all relative. 

20 minutes ago, OriolesMagicPlease said:

Of course they do. But you can't just discount ours because of that. Any stats to show who has the most important drops?