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Coaching is the main variable with joe and how he plays. Conservative play calling he becomes an excellent game manager(cam). Aggressive play caller( Caldwell) had joe scratching that elite surface, same as with kubiak a great play caller who got more out of much less talent in 2014 than we did last year. Tressman was horrible and it showed with the level of play of joe and the entire offense, marty wasn't much better but was thrown in the fire midseason and gets a pass from me. Point I want to make is that the competency of the coaching goes a long way in how the offense looks on the field....fix the interior of the line and coach to the strength of the talent we have and offense should be fine. But this draft was all about improving a defense that struggled to hold on to leads in the 4th quarter for some time now and on paper it looks great for the most part....we lost at least 3 games last year because of the defense giving the lead up late including the game against the steelers that decided the north champion. Remember that feeling we would get anytime the d would get on the field late only needing 1 stop, hopefully this draft addressed that in a big way

17 minutes ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

You think a guy that plays 54% of the time is a starter? Albert McLellan played as many snaps at ILB (with Orr & Mosley) as Jernigan did on the D-Line. Aiken played more often than Jernigan. Jernigan was a rotational guy behind STARTERS BWil & Michael Pierce. We're not going to miss a DLman that averages 1 tackle per game.

Plus, have you seen how stacked this draft is? A top pick in the 3rd Round can land a shutdown corner. So, you'd rather have a part-time DLman for 1 year than have a shutdown corner for 4 years?????

Shutdown corner in the 3rd really....And moving up a few spots will really make that difference??? Ravens should be looking for that corner in the 1st 

9 minutes ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

You think a guy that plays 54% of the time is a starter? Albert McLellan played as many snaps at ILB (with Orr & Mosley) as Jernigan did on the D-Line. Aiken played more often than Jernigan. Jernigan was a rotational guy behind STARTERS BWil & Michael Pierce. We're not going to miss a DLman that averages 1 tackle per game.

Plus, have you seen how stacked this draft is? A top pick in the 3rd Round can land a shutdown corner. So, you'd rather have a part-time DLman for 1 year than have a shutdown corner for 4 years?????

So you think giving up a player and a pick to move up a few spots is some type of deal??? Not to mention timmy was a 2nd round pick for us and 3 years later we get less than we spent to pick him and gave up a pick as well. The eagles have won this trade and it's obvious, what did they give up to gain a starter??? Even if you have to trade him (which they didn't) trade him for a pick no need for us to give a pick as well, I'm a big ozzie guy but he seems to be losing it

2 minutes ago, purpledown said:

good trade for the Ravens. They were not going to resign him so they will get something for him. Should be a valuable player.

Please tell me what that something was because I can't see it, we gave up a player and a pick to move up...and not just any player but a YOUNG STARTER IN A CONTRACT YEAR....only a great pick at 74 can salvage this one and even then the eagles still get something extra....look at it this way eagles gain proven starter and only swap draft positions, in the 3rd no less to get him it's a win for them regardless

Wow thought your supposed to buy low and sell high??? Traded a 3rd plus TJ to move up in the same round...smh...we invested a 2nd on timmy just 3 years ago, he's a proven starter and in a contract year at age 24....that 3rd would've been a comp pick anyways if we didn't sign him next year. If that draft pick makes no impact this year then it's a loss, I'd much rather have a hungry starter hunting for that first big pay day then another pick

On 3/23/2017 at 11:50 AM, budman said:

Totally disagree. Our offensive success has to be credited at least in part to the coaches. The inmates do not run the asylum in Bmore. Players just cant say screw them, I'm doing it this way. Credit is rarely given where it is due. So I guess the coaches had nothing to do with winning the Superbowl in New Orleans, it was all Ray Lewis and the players.

The players had a near mutiny on harbaugh our superbowl year,the team was falling apart losing I think 5 of the last 7 with one of those wins being ray rices 4th and 29 conversion. So yes I think it's more than plausible to give the credit to Ray Lewis coming back and announcing his last ride got the guys more focused and motivated then these coaches ever could have... especially with the mood and tone of that lockeroom before he came back.

Also harbaugh was FORCED to fire Cam Cameron because of the frustration with the offense and how conservative it was despite having plenty of weapons. Yes it was players who stepped it up coaching deserve some credit but make no mistake those players made it happen. If any coach you'd give a great deal of credit to it would be Caldwell who finally started being aggressive with the play calling.....McKinney getting out of haubaugh dog house was big to so give coach credit for putting his ego aside and getting out of the way

1 hour ago, hen826957 said:

I don't get that when player leaves for big contract, there not gonna get the full amount. Then be cut in 2-3 years. Torrey was an example of that. Left the Ravens for 5M more then got cut 2 years later while he could just stay with the Ravens in the first place.

Nfl is all about the signing bonus/ guaranteed money.....why worry about the  number of years he played there when the bonus check has been cashed and he can seek another one now that he's a FA again

About time

Keeping a player that is top 3-4 at their position should be the priority...we must reverse this trend of losing all our good draft picks....guys get to their 2nd contract and playing prime years with other teams....Can't just let impact players just leave like that especially with our early round draft troubles these last few years

6 hours ago, Minionhunter said:

And that is with a consistent offensive system. Joe has had none. When was he at his best? When he was at the end of Cam's system just Caldwell calling it. Even SSS said he was confused on plays because the terms were all screwed up and that was just his route, think about the QB's head on the 5th system in 5 years....

Stop it stop it.....excuses is all people have for this man. He has played in only 2 offensive systems in his entire career....the playbook does not change, the terminology yes but they are the exact same plays every team uses....Flacco needs competent coaching to keep him engaged mentally in the game. As you stated the difference in Joe's play when conservative cam was calling plays and then Caldwell calling them. Kubiak comes in JOE has his best year as a pro...1st year in a NEW system....Flacco has all the physical gifts you'd want your QB to have but it's clear that he's not very cerebal, that's why he is coordinator dependent and his game takes on the personality of whoever is calling the plays. Whether that be conservative cam or open it up and let it go Caldwell

On 1/20/2017 at 9:15 AM, rmcjacket23 said:

I mean that's great, but that's also a four game sample of an entire season. I referenced the statistics of the regular season also, which show pretty clearly that we were, at best, an average defense.

So you have a defense that was largely average during the regular season and a defense that was inconsistent and in the postseason.

Or you had a defense that wasn't fully healthy until the playoff run and played phenomenal during said run...corey graham in denver there is no superbowl run if he doesn't make those plays including a defensive touchdown....holding brady to 1 score in Foxborough is not something that an average defense does

I notice even though they're clearly the best team in the league for a number of years they keep their top assistants....something ravens should think about

21 hours ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Pats are a good club, not that I am a fan. However they also have greatly benefited from being in a division where the competition is not great enough to really challenge for the division. IMHO this accounts for 3-4 wins every season, which is also the difference of making the playoffs and not, as well as having home field advantage versus not. My point is, while a good club, they have a lot of outside factors that also play a big role to their success. Any team that can win their division so many years in a row, pretty much uncontested does not play a very competitive division. Competitive implies the skill/talent level is roughly the same (overall). The reality is the Pats division is so far from competitive, and to be a team involved in several rule breaking scandals only adds salt to the wound and sullies the reputation, rightfully so.

I used to think this as well but the facts don't indicate this....

1 division title in 9 years should be unacceptable....I agree with those who say 11 wins as the expectation, better coaching and we could've hit that mark this year....also can we please dominate somebody we dominated only 1 game this year every game we play shouldn't be so close, whether playing the jags/browns or upper echelon teams we always play the game close. I would like to see us DOMINATE teams were supposed too

8 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

Perriman can't even get on the field. In his Year II, he wasn't even as good as Torrey was in Torrey's first year- this guy has got to learn how to catch the ball and stay healthy- then he can become, at best, a legitimate #2 or #3 receiver in this league

Young players need reps....torrey got reps, he dropped the ball a lot also early on but he was allowed to play through it and make plays to establish himself on this level. No training camp since being drafted has hurt perriman, also sss and Wallace are more established so there was no way he jumps above them on the depth chart. Perriman looks exactly like what the scouting reports in draft said he would so it should be no surprises there. The surprise to me was the changing of the scheme which would've suited perriman and Wallace better to one the required those guys to things that neither guy excels at.....

29 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

If we had beaten the Steelers and lost to the bengals we would have still made the playoffs.

Steelers beat the browns while resting guys the following week....Bengals win was no guarantee

7 minutes ago, Crusader said:

1. Build the Offensive Line and the Receivers will come. 2. Defense wins the Championships and 3 its not a passing league if your running back keeps the opponents offense on the bench.

Post this again and again

3 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Name another team that doesn't have as many if not more "busts".....

Again, learn the football business - the HC has little to no impact on the players we draft.

But the head coach has a huggge impact on the development of those players.....Ozzie has an extensive track record including building 2 super bowl championship teams....what's harbaughs record developing talent?

6 hours ago, The Greek said:

#2 is so true when it comes to flacco. he has not had the chance to master a specific system like brady and manning have but he also needs to put in the work to be better.

I disagree with this JOE has only played in 2 different offensive systems in his career...now he hasn't had a consistent coordinator running the WCO but his first 6 seasons it was the same system

Flacco needing to get plays from the sideline in hurry up situations says everything needed about him.....9 years next year makes 10 and and still problems reading defenses....question is who can or will hold this dude accountable for his performance

I told guys on here months ago what the ravens weakness was, the question may have been premature but it was a fair one based off what I was seeing even in the preseason. Ironically I'm actually now optimistic about the ravens as the complacency has now been removed, guys resting on past accomplishments those guys are now on alert jobs are on the line. You need pressure at the top in order for it to flow on downward. One of the ravens problems has been accountability imo....same issues every week yet kept playing the same players....coach asks for more running and balance being ignored...And Flacco yes Flacco john needs to figure out how to hold this dude accountable for his play 9 years in still struggling to read defenses, make his butt get in that film room

First it's not a paycut, Joe will still be paid....QBs don't take paycuts they just convert salary to bonus so the team can spread the cap hit....if I was joe and they asked I would do it

Tom Coughlin 2 time superbowl winning coach would still be coaching leave it to some.....but you see NY media are not homers and will call guys out....finally remove Coughlin now the giants are back in the playoffs...the message some times just gets stale the ravens are not the only team this has happened too. And yes when your coach is in press conferences every week asking for more runs talking about being balanced and the OC ignores this week after week yet retains his job...means your message is not getting across....if fans are getting tired of the coach speak imagine the players who hear it everyday.

7 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Or maybe the national media isnt biased to fit a certain narrative. 

Are we in new York ,Boston, or Chicago....then no they are not paying attention to the team or else media would've been calling harbaugh out....imagine how some of the coaching decisions this year would've been received and covered in new york, Chicago....no they are not paying attention

3 hours ago, Moderator 3 said:

Found it a little surpising that nationally we're more highly regarded than among our own fans.  

 

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