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14 hours ago, ravefan52 said:

I agree there's no clear direction. Every position the FO talked about needing major upgrades hasn't received much at all, even after handing out $63mil gaurenteed! The fact that we've had the same main needs for the past 3+ years is quite concerning.

All this talk about surrounding Joe with an elite OL and great talent around him but they're doing the opposite. The offense sucked last year and has lost a lot of talent this off season. Now they have to turn to a crappy OL class, where guys are going to get overdrafted because of the league wide need for them. And I bet that yet again they're going to rely way too heavily on their own WR's developing. C, RT and WR are huge needs, but no lets spend $ on another RB even though that's the smallest need and has a stacked draft class.

Of all the franchise QB's, Flacco gets by far the least help year in and year out imo. He's only had one good, or even stable OC and he's never had a great WR corps. A shame he's going to retire without the Ravens ever even seeing his full potential.

not sur why we stil are in disbeleive. lissen close becuz this is the truth. decosta picd joe for the 2008 draff n ot all in for him cuz he was gonna trade back but joe is decostas golden egg goose. when joe played real well for the championship he was money for 4 games and credable in the yrs leadin up with a heckuva team. joe got paid but not for his body of play he got paid for them four games. he nevah playad a four game strech like that befor an he nevah playad a four game strech like that afta. but what they see at all times is that four game strech and thare golden egg goose. if you take that golden egg goose away afta all these yrs what have they got? not very much. in the game of pokar they pushd all their chips into the center and said all in on joe. they cant see his weakness and they cant see his need and they cant see thar mistak

13 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I think there is where your perception of what our needs were was misguided. 

One key thing I'm seeing on this board that has recently become popular... fans aren't listening to what the FO tells them. Too many fans think the FO is being deceptive or lying to everybody. They're not.

The FO told you that they wanted to add multiple corners. They added Carr, and are fully expected to add one in the draft. They told you they wanted to get younger at Safety. Hello Tony Jefferson, goodbye Webb.

Other things they said... beef up the Offensive line. We kind of knew this wasn't something that was likely to happen in FA, because we knew we needed a Center and a RT. Neither position yielded much in FA whatsoever, and we knew that going in. Again, seems like a very strong sense of addressing this in the draft or with players already on the roster.

The only position I've seen so far where I expected the FO to address in FA and didn't was WR, and that was likely due to some of the outrageous prices of possession WRs in this class.

In terms of pass rushers, again, the FO already gave us a clue as to their stance... its not as important to them as it is to fans. They like some of the guys we have already, and they don't feel that its a drastic need. Will we still add one? Of course, because we do just about every year.

I think its key that fans invest more time in LISTENING. These issues have been addressed publicly already, and if people listened to what they told us, a lot of their priorities have been addressed or covered already, and some of them aren't in sync with what fans think the priorities are or should be.

when we think about misguides this is a good letter to print and pin up on the good oz bad oz tack board.  oz is not a offens draffer. he best with d  decosta but for one yr has not been much of an offense draffer. the comprehesuv plan cannot work wiff getting all them pics and havin the same draff pickers.

On ‎3‎/‎28‎/‎2017 at 7:30 PM, rossihunter2 said:

It will - that is literally an objective fact that you can look up

even magic couldn't change it as fact

it was doable but theys is so vestd really now the guy decosta joe is his golden egg goose he doan have it in him to say he aint what i thought the dead cap gets lightnd with a trade for 2018 and 2019 pics. that was a part of the comprehensuv plan

2 hours ago, letitgosometimes said:

The Ravens need a major rethink of their strategic plan.  Expect the owner to make move(s) at the top before season starts.  Unfortunately, the Ravens have not recovered from the handling of the Ray Rice incident.  Suggest making a list of those things the Ravens do well (keep doing them) and a list of those things the Ravens do not do well (eliminate them) and then move personnel, accordingly.  Right now without radical changes in their strategy, the Ravens remain third tier.   

watcha gonna do?  everyon here thinks we are hog tied to joe and cap if u have that fram of mine what great strategerie can you work to offset over draffed playas?

3 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

 

To be honest. I'm pissed with how the offseason has gone so far. I'm tired of Ozzie and company neglecting the offensive side of the ball. I love the Jefferson move, but as said previously, there was nothing wrong with Webb. I love the Carr move. It's an easy contract to get out of and he no longer will have to go against #1 WRs. Likewise I think Pierce, Kaufausi, and Henry will get involved more and that makes the defense better as well.

 

but the Williams contract was freaking stupid. He's a very good player. But for that much, and we had a replacement in the wings? Go get Larry Warford for that much money and solidify the damn offensive line. 

 

I have 0 doubts in my mind that we are targeting a pass rusher, CB, and WR in this draft. But the oline concerns me. I think Lewis at RT makes a ton of sense. We want to get bigger and stronger across the line, that does it. It works. It's good to hear we are considering it. But then this leaves holes at LG and C, which is the most important position on the line.

Now I wouldn't object to drafting forrest lamp in the first round, he's a potential all pro at guard with a high floor. He's worth the pick. But that still leaves a hole at center.

 

Honestly, for as good as Ozzie has been for us, my patience has worn thin. If he's fired at the end of the year I wouldn't be surprised 

well confesion is good for da sole. you did it lost you let it out you can only bury it for so long get the poison out doan let it fester the road has been downslope ever since off season afta the superbowl. the comprehensuv plan is our way out as far as branden willams go i gotta tell ya i knew there was no way we sign him he jus weren't worth it between him and jerigan they made half a ngata joe or no joe we had huge o line holes and secondery probs did we really make him the hightest paid NT in the league? still cant beleive it  smh

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

If you read rayrayravens posts lately pain is da name of da game

but theres good news joey they think joe can win multipile superbowls even yet look here

joe can win it all

he says joe can do it he got all the tools. I called and tole him that the tools joe needs he doan hav offensive line ball catchas runnin game outstandin d its 1 part to 4 I says ain't it easiest to get you one new part ratha than 4?  harb says what you m ean?

7 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I'm just a sucker for pain. 

if yo a raven fan lately pain is the name of da game

5 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

You've forgotten even more about words than football which, by your own admission, is a lot

yah it is the other part of that sayin that was left unsayed is da importent part thou

i forgot more bout raven football than bout anyones cept oz but if ur lookin for one that knows football its me. bo did not know footabll. gms doan  bring walked playas back but oz has forgot so much he mighta forgot he let boldin walk so maybe we get him if we luck  out

2 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Using Jernigan to move up five spots? Are you serious? Five spots? Sorry but that's just a bad idea. I mean c'mon. The computer in Madden isn't even dumb enough to make a trade that one sided.

still think he be a good rotatashunial guy for the jags wed hav e to sweetn the pot but trade away now that harb confirms may as well shop til ya drop

3 hours ago, January J said:

I think peanut is going to be the next udfa to step up and  ball out at the ILB position this season.

Rumors heating up about potential Boldin reunion.

 

well he nevah shuld of left. to bring him back wuld be serreous crow eatin and those egos might not have that in em so we hav to see but wiff joes trait for comfort with a ball catcha hes the gu y

2 hours ago, purpletide said:

I really like picking up Gordon, I think he could be a great player and if he messes up again then he's not our problem anymore. Low risk, high reward. If he can't stop violating the rules in a job that gets him millions of dollars a year for playing an awesome sport, he won't be able to stay on the team. Just an ounce of maturity could get us great talent at a low price.

all for Gordon and tossin some dice. beggas cant be choosas

2 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

Continuing to reply to the mindless posts doesn't help and the dude is ruining just about every thread now. Might as well just shut the boards down now. 

tank u know when u talk bout betta than 8-8 in the nfl ur talkin playoffs sereous r u seeing that?  whut do u see when you look at r rosta? been tryin to tell  whut I see i see a rosta all bout joe flacco i see a rosta poissoned by hopefull wishin. theres plenty i did not want to part iwth. i was all bout keepin haloti an osemele an wagner an othas  but afta what joe showed in 2013 and 2015 and evry yr but them 4 wintar weeks in 2012 wuld you have resign him when he was bout to play out his deal? not me not in a milion yrs.  and heres the thing if u've hitched ur wagon to the wrong star do u really let that rope drag u down or do u cut it an make somethin good outta it that restrucsure was way outta line

8 hours ago, The Raven said:

Also: while it's nice to have an "impact" linebacker, it's relatively easy to find a solid starter at LB. Linebacker is one of few positions where it's pretty easy to find a guy that isn't a total liability. How many UDFAs have we had come in and look like aces? Hell, Orr was one of those guys. You always like to have impact players in the middle of a defense but let's not pretend that Orr was irreplaceable. He replaced a UDFA and he may even be replaced by a UDFA.

7 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Then Bart Scott etc etc. Ozzie is money when finding UDFA ILB #2s 

these 2 posts link up on there own and pretty m uch spotlite all r probs.

10 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

The flacco cap hit is 24 mill now - that only changes if you trade him - then it's 47 mill

if you get rid of Joe you have to find a starting qb for negative 23 million dollars which is impossible

the comprehensuv plan involve startin mallet. timin is everythin. the plan involve the numba 1 selection in 2018, not this yr and multiple numba 1 pics the joe cap hit wil not be 47 mil but time is runnin out  not tellin the board tryin to let the board tell me jus ask urselfs when is the joe cap lower?

5 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Because it's so easy to draft a in his prime Ngata caliber dlinemen SMH

yeppers i have a list of star playas picd afta we picd when the draff is ovah ill show it to u.  the comprehesuv plan is bout more than playas. but its more than missed pics its about valuatin ur own rosta correct way cuz if u doan do that u doan know what to need

5 hours ago, Adreme said:

I honestly dont think you understand how NFL trades work.  If they traded him it would be effectively be the same as cutting him for cap purposes and I believe that would give the Ravens cap hits of 46M this year and around 30M next year (someone can probably check those numbers I am less sure on them).   I mean you could do it but the result is going to put you over the cap so a lot of talented players are going to have to be cut to get under the cap number for the year. and also next year you might as well forget about trying to sign anyone.

in da end u have to ask arer we closer to the superbowl or closer to a reboot. as we are today which way are we headin. when u have ur direction u can say betta or worse than 8-8. when I look at are rosta I doan see a superbowl any wheres near on the hoarison. I see a rosta of ovah draffed playas many of who r at best useful but not differenc makers and that's why I say 8-8 wuld be a good record. compared to 2010 to 2012 rostas we hav crashed an burned.  so which way are we headin? now bout the cap hit of tradin joe you are not factorin the salary we doan have to pay. let me ask u this. if u say the joe cap is 47 mil now when is the joe cap 24 mil?  and ya I wuld trade joe for that joe cap hit in a ny m inute wich is 2 secons. becuz its part of the comprehensuv plan. is there pain yah there is but sweet lemonaid comes from sour lemons. if u can answer that one than u know

10 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Sorry what I started guys lol

yah took a lot of jabs when u started it but do want hurns and would give a lot to get em.  funny thing is lots here thought jerigan was the answer to ngata and proly still do lol

1 hour ago, Underdogsontop! said:

According to sporttrac Flacco's cap hit this year is $24.5 mil. If we could get some of that back to help fix the O-line and our offense, we could do better the an 8-8 team.... 

yah and a late trade wuld work to nevah wanted clevelands 1st this yr. want it next 2. regardin betta than 8 -8 doan think pitsburg was that good and cant see what gets us betta. 8-8 wuld be a good yr

11 minutes ago, Underdogsontop! said:

My idea is flawed on multiple levels? His salary base is 6mil not inclueding his bonuses. So his total cap hit is $24.5mil for 2017. Look it up before you accuse people of flaws. I personally think the OT in this years draft is not strong at all. There's a lot more options that could be had if there was more $ available with the salary cap. We could make a trade, wait till cuts are made. There's obviously a lot more options if we had more money to play with rather then sit in this situation. Better qb's are getting paid less. Bottom line we need to get this running game up and running and need to protect flacco and then $ is the problem right now if you take a look at the salary cap. 

underdawg the postas here doan realy understan the cap and cap hit. they jus doan and say figurs that are off by milions. we culd stil trade joe this yr but we signd guys that make gettin betta off that trad harder.  joe is a good guy but he is a mediogre qb cept for those 4 weeks in 2012

21 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Go back and actually watch the tape. There were several instances where he would take poor angles on tackles, blow a pass coverage, among other things. That was the most undeserving all pro nod ever. He wasn't bad.. But CJ was clearly the better guy despite what the numbers say. 

well he had a betta yr than cj and will be missd.  shame but thats the way we roll lately face plam

On ‎3‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 2:49 AM, sflegend89 said:

 

 

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Ozzie & Eric have a plan for the offense and it just hasn't come to fruition yet. I sure hope that's the case.

they do it called more defence hold em to fewer then you get

17 hours ago, sflegend89 said:

That hole left by Orr has to be addressed. The hole left by Wagner has to be addressed. The hole left by SSS has to be addressed. The hole left by Zuttah has to be addressed (Not buying Urschel). Whole lot of needs still, I'll be patient but we sure did spend a lot of money on luxury signings when we still had so many big holes to fill... I don't like the idea of putting so much pressure on this rookie class to deliver right out of the gate.. 

yah theres 2 ways to go draff the best althelete or draff what u need. you are a need picker and me to.  when u have gapin holes u fil em. when u doan u have the luxsury of pic'n an althelete insted

def a project and not a 1st rd guy

8 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Bah. Stop. You are either troll or really dumb.

Hurns is not FA, signed last year. If he was, how do you propose trade for FA would look like? Ozzie traded Jernigan to FA for Hurns?

Moron

 

hurns was a undraffed free agent to get him id send jerigan and sweetening the pot if needed with say a 4th or higher that oz wuld misplay any ways I do believe he wuld fit us like a glove an we need ball catchas to boot so who is smarta the jags or us.  first u hav to know of ur need secondsly you hav to plan how to get where ya need to go and jerigan can help us do thatg u liked the idea and I'm tellin u this hurns is gonna explod

1 hour ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

Jared Allen, Charles Haley, Steve Largent, Darren Sproles,John Stallworth and Rich Gannon all were selected in the 4th round

Larry Centers, KGB, Rodney Harrison, Robert Mathis, Hardy Nickerson, Zach Thomas and Herschel Walker all were selected in the 5th round

Tom Brady, Terrell Davis, Jay Novacek and Adalius Thomas were all selectd in the 6th round

Marques Colston, Donold Driver, TJ Housmandzadeh, Michael McCrary and Shannon Sharpe all selected in the 7th round 

Players and playmakers are out there they just got to find them.

whoevah was sayin oz is good in the 4th. jus sayin no he is not

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

Tavon young, Alex Lewis, Kenneth Dixon, Dennis Pitts, juice, Jarrett johnson just off the top of my head for the Ravens as well

well thar ya go. pitta mighta been a playmaka the champions yr but that's all

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

So the Jags are just gonna give us Hurns for Jernigan?

Even though they already signed Malik Jackson and Calais Campbell the past 2 seasons?

And they have young, recently drafted DTs that they like as well. 

 

But theyre going to just give up a young, very good starter at WR for what would be a back up DT for them?

 

How do you know this? Or what would give you the idea that it's even remotely possible? They have no need for Jernigan... and even if they did why would they give up a high end playmaker when just a mid/late rd draft pick would do??

well now that I called hurns as da m an everone is in on it! cept joey flex who says he aint nada.  someone was sayin trade him for  robinson I said u'd have a betta chance with hurns. welcom to the draff contest where everyon stands on there own!

43 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Who did, Hensley?

If that's really a deal, I am very happy.

ya hurnss was a free agent if I rememba right. he could be avail but oz wont do it. tradin jerigan for him wuld be the play

4 minutes ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

But a late 4th round pick is what Oz does best but either way we have no control on what happens. 

maybe but u doan get playmakers in the 4th round. that the problem

8 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Why would bortles being absolutely terrible disproportionately affect hurns more than robinson?

well robinsoon was down 500 yds and yac and tds and all. u wuld have had to watch games like me with sunday ticket. hurns was down 300 yds but missd a lot of games rely wasn't disportionate was injury and boretles goin bad still it burried hurns and he is great value an they wuld take jerigan for him. now I have to go its world of warships