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On ‎2‎/‎23‎/‎2017 at 1:25 AM, Ravenseconbeast said:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baltimore-sports-blog/bal-for-ravens-joe-flacco-to-dennis-pitta-a-recipe-for-failed-completions-in-2016-20170222-story.html

Here is one for you Tank92.  Make sure to read the facts!

3 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

I dont think I've enlightened you at all. 

Under that article from Baltimore Suns there is a link to another article from Football Outsiders.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2017/failed-completions-2016

It shows analysis of what to make of Flacco completions and a thorough analysis and breakdowns of what to make of Flacco's performances.  

Actually, read the facts.  It is definitely an interesting article.  Let me know if you actually read it.  

 

Sheez Louisiana ravenconbeast You keep postin stuf like that we'll never get nada for flacco~

I did not need to see that formulla though.  I knew we wasn't gettin yards even when he completed a pass. doan wanna say where I t hink he really is for fear of  poisoning the market. we can and we gotta trade him before free agency and the draft. its now or nevah

2 hours ago, mdrsharon said:

Well he certainly has the passion for the game.

i would love to see him with our Ravens in some capacity. I think he could be inspirational and a great mentor for any defensive unit. He had great field instincts and I believe he can personally connect with the players. I know he is a student of the game and was always watching films. Of course he did have extraordinary talent and showed it on every play. Could he get that across to younger guys?

Let's see what happens....

I second da motion.  we definetly need coachin

12 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Intriguing.

I'm having hard time to decide what's more deplorable here - thinking or grammar.

since the super bowl have we really missed the playofs three of the last four ? you know since the superstars left?  its not like we evah were a 14-2 team. we'd scrap by with joe to 10-6 cuple 12-4 years an that was with a loaded D.  LOADED. now we got players no one else wants cept for joe. but at his best joe was a getyouby qb.  he could play well enough to get you by. im drinkin the root beer but somes are drinkin the joe kool ade. all I want is to get somethin for the rebuilt

On ‎2‎/‎2‎/‎2017 at 10:47 PM, usmccharles said:

Pweease, sho me ani link, souyrce, quote from anything ckredible than yo boy at da ba down da streeeet

the only beer I drink is rootbeer I told you that

7 hours ago, usmccharles said:

  While I am not content with that because obviously I want to keep winning, but acting like the FO has no idea what its doing is just absurd because we don't have a QB that throws for 5k yards, 40Tds and makes 10mill a year. 

joe got a deal where they spected xactly that!  if joe was costin 10 mill a yr, (maybes his truth value), maybe less problem

7 hours ago, Purple_City39 said:

  Difference between the two is who steps up when it really matters. Ryan just started playing well in January in his two most recent playoff appearances with superior talent

well mat ice ryan is a big ticket qb too. pricey. but hes earnin  closer to it

7 hours ago, gtalk12 said:

Did you forget the yards and TD's? or.....

nope jus sayin if 2014 was as good as it gets the real value is defanitly trade value.  wasn't disagreein that the kubiak yr was one of joes better yrs. jus that he did not excell even then.  his best yr was like 2010 but neither good nuff to pay like we pay. as goes the pats they wuld have found a way to beat us fur sur. they always do. cept when we had our superstars. doan remember 2014 being the uge injury yr, that was 2015, but we was down in the secondary. had nothing. maybe we a lick better there now.

hate to be the bringer of bad news, but anyone thinkin joe is leadin us on is sererious hopin. id take a first and second for him in a ny minute but I kno we can get two 1's if we don't delay. sam darnold is out there and id hate to mis him

On ‎1‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 10:54 PM, usmccharles said:

So what will it take to make you "happy"?  What "ratin" is your standard?  What INT is "acceptable" to you?  A team that has two 14 point leads on the team that goes to win the SB and blows them....Clearly was the QBs fault.  I will wait for your standards of stats, but im sure you wont even have any.

 

Side-note:  I still think we missed big time by not signing Alex Mack.  The Falcons OL all started the entire year together if i remember correctly, has the best WR in the NFL (imo) and the best RB duo in the league (most people's opinion).  I would love to have any of that here, hell, i would settle for just Mack.   Stats are cool and all, but there is one that matters more and Joe already did that. 

yah we coulda used alex mac we coulda used pat Quinn too.  a card laid is a card play ed.

did you know aron Rodgers worst year is joes best  year and joes best are few and far between. th e standard you say I dont know about is for instance what matt ice ryan has put up with and without support.  that standard is 10 full points more than joe can produce constantly..  did you know aron Rodgers is 20 points lifetime better than flacco. don't get me wrong doan expect joe to equal rodgers, but matt ice r yan is a good benchmarc

we keep makin mistakes. its getting old and the major rebuld is comin, cuz we keep makin mistakes. seein bisciotti strugglin with  easy decisions and sayin a thing aint what it is makes me wonder how he is gonna be the guy to decide who to acquire for the big correcktion that is closin in fast.

to much time a wastin and cant get it back

21 hours ago, jaege said:

Could you site your actual evidence for this theory? More than just supposition of what might have been. 

it doesn t really matter does it?   ya know who joe flacco is?  now pls believ me he was my hope for the francise.  I really thought joe would have given us two if not three super bowls by now.  I really did. joes value to Baltimore is one thing now. it is trade value. but this is the last yr for it.  ya know who joe is?  joe flacco is jay cutler with a super bowl.  I once watched a big horse auction at Timonium and the bidders were sayin you can't pay 1 million for a horse, cuz what if he can't run? and the man biddin says I don care if he can run a lick he got breddin and has rezidual value.  what is that? well he goes on to say he can bred this horse and get a return on his investmant.  it didn' tmatter if he couldn't win the Preakness. he could sell breding rights.  see what I'm sayin?  joe still has rezidual value, but not for long.  joes career stats are almost identify with jay cutler. both have a mendosa like 85 rating same amount of yarding and a middling td to int ratio.  guess what cutler is worth now in rezidual value? same no emotion game face to.

Jay cutler

joe flacco

On ‎1‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 10:58 AM, RavenManiac#7 said:

Will, and Should Harbaugh be on the Hot Seat next season? I realize that some people might have two different answers to that question. I'm just curious to see what the majority of the Ravens fans think. Should next year determine Harbaugh's fate?

ya kno a good HC career in the nfl is about 10 yrs.  he had some world class players in that time and few of them now. I hav outcoached harball my self for three yrs. but even if he is a mediogre coach, sometimes life tells ya its time for a change.  jus like that

well one thing fur sur is that bicsiotti now owns it.  he said we are sta yin the course and change is bad.  he says we are one draft from turnin it all around.  I don't think its gonna matter how we draft. it gonna be more of the same but bisciotti says this year comin is the y ear.  so his decision to not make decisions is a decision and its on him now. he's said some head scratchers this year fur sur. puzzlements

On ‎1‎/‎26‎/‎2017 at 10:36 AM, gtalk12 said:

 

You know what is very odd about this (I agree with you that it seems like Flacco doesn't see what the defense is doing) is that come playoff time the play calling always changes, DRASTICLY. It seems to work entirely on Joe's strengths to which he then proceeds to be everything we could possibly want from a QB in the playoffs. Something is off about that, Caldwell unleashed Joe and we had success in the playoffs with Cam C as well.

 

Kubiak was the only one to use Flacco DURING the regular season.....all of the concerns we had about Joe vanished that year...

kubeik s year was joes best?  Kubeik proved joe coul d do it every year?  omg  joe had a 91 pass ratin a great play action pass game and still threw 12 picks. I feel sick and am goin to bed on this

On ‎1‎/‎24‎/‎2017 at 9:04 PM, usmccharles said:

Or was it.....Ray Rice, Torrey Smith, Jacoby Jones, Boldin, Joe Flacco, Pitta, Ed Reed, Ray lewis, Ngata, Suggs, Jimmy Smith......

Yea, im guessing it has something to do with the amazing roster we fielded....but thats none of my business.

yah and you left some solids out. when someon e looks at that roster and then our current roster is it any wonder

On ‎12‎/‎16‎/‎2016 at 6:27 PM, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

I would like to have an opinion on Correa,  but it seems like he was kicking butt in camp, but after he hurt Pitta in Practice, and Joe reamed him out, it took the wind out if his sails. 

If I was him, I would be studying with Weddle, being his shadow, learning how to develop his craft with brains, since he cant be on the field that much, almost like a backup qb with a clipboard, taking mental reps. He is definately a gifted athlete, get him watching film of Luke Keuchly, even Ray Lewis.

tradey

On ‎1‎/‎24‎/‎2017 at 7:19 PM, rossihunter2 said:

it's not crazy, it's fact - here's another fact... you've become boring now, either that or you can't read

if ya don't want to do it than it cant be done. but it can be done alrighty. those that say it can't are not comprehesuv plannin. they are evadin. and as I see it those that wuldnt do it now are sentencin the rayvans to a bad fate which is to play out the remainin joe years and then do the massive retool after he gone.  but you read this page and some can't even admit mat ryan has outplayed joe by 10 rating points his whole career.

 one way is good one way is bad stickin with joe is the bad way.

3 hours ago, SuRihtanil said:

Nah 2011 collective agreement bargain has changed this completely... dead money can be evaded, the eagles showed this just few years ago with their trading craze.  The Eagles walked out like kings unloading dead cap on Murray and Maxwell.

I don't get it surihtanil. some here would say joe can't go, its a done deal, nuthin we can do about it. some say a fact is a fact, what fact?  they cant add up the dead cap proper and see it can be done. there is always a way for those that have the will. the will is the problem. I think some here don't have the will to face the fact that dumpin joe before the deal is out is admittin mistake. admittin player misplayed. they would rather hold onto a lifetime mid to low passer rating joe flacco and miss the playofs for the rest of the deal hopein ganst hope the lightin culd strike in the same spot again.

it aint gonna happen!

On ‎1‎/‎22‎/‎2017 at 10:52 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

... if you trade joe flacco, you also have to cut half of your starters just to get UNDER the cap, which means you literally have no team to field, at which point you still have to continue cutting players just to be able to sign your draft classes, and you have to hope like hell that somewhere in that disaster of gutting your team of all its talent that you can be lucky enough to land a franchise qb. its really simple, cutting joe flacco guts the entire team of its ability to retain ANY PLAYERS INCLUDING DRAFTED ROOKIES.

no wa y man we can unload the dead wood and make this work. its crazy to say we'd have to cut all and couldn't sign the juicy joe pics. crazy to say we are tied to joe like a hog tied to a rope crazy man to say our bean counters would lock us up so tight to a middlin qb we couldn't find a way to get out. crazy to say that' we have to play it out when we don't. the comprehensuv plan is the way out.

On ‎1‎/‎23‎/‎2017 at 1:31 PM, balfan23 said:

I was asking for teams at the top of the league and you give me Tennessee? 

are you sayin we are top of the league for compare purpose?  cuz we aint

Dallas in the 1990s? The Walker trade has gone down as the worst trade in the history of the NFL. I don't think there is anyone else who is interested in seeing if they can top the worst trade in history. 

really? it was bad for dallas offloading the over paid and over hyped star?

I've no idea what we could get pick wise for Joe, but I'm not so sure they'd be juicy juicy. We won't ever know, since we're not shopping him and I doubt anyone is pounding on our door offering the family farm. 

we will be shoppin him this year better than next c uz we need darnold in this plan

I'm pretty much done responding to this line of thinking. My advice to you is, settle in for the ride for the next couple years and wish Joe all the best. 

is this what weve come to balfan? wishin and hopin? that aint rayvan

12 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

No matter who you feel is better Ryan or Flacco, the fact is that the Falcons have put together a highly effective mix of skill position players around Matt which has helped to raise his level of play and to produce some gaudy numbers. To state the obvious, it ain't just him that has improved. But the proven formula for consistent offensive(and defensive for that matter) success remains in building an effective line. For me signing Mack as the anchor of an already solid group is what has put them over the top. 

I think its Quinn.  he came from seattle and their D is double solid compared to two  yr ago.  our number 1 draftee a few yrs back Upshaw cant find the field.  its Quinn and juicy pics.

7 hours ago, balfan23 said:

 Oakland is the closest thing, but I'd dare say they aren't significantly better than we are. Heck - tell me what teams have managed to do this over the course of history? You could mention a team like Indy, but it took 2 decades of suck to finally land that pick from another planet in Manning. 

 

I'd say tennesee makin off with all those ram pics a few years back ranks pretty well.

dallas around 1990 got mutl picks for h. walker and though losing big turned it around in short order. what dallas actually got is over said but they had a comprehensuv p lan

I don't believ we can compete with new England with our coaches but not havin the players like we did in the lee evans era leaves us no chance.

we are in a good spot with joe. he has won a superbow and there are teams that will give a lot for a 33 year old qb on his homestretch. but I don't believ we are in a position others have been in with joe and that's a good reason for getting juicy juicy pics for him. and at a time when we are hurtin sorely for talant the timin could not be more ideal. sweet from sour, jus like that.

by the way carr pretty much outplayed joe both games one immens the other he won two.  this culd be the biggest haul evah for the rayvans.

18 hours ago, balfan23 said:

Ugh ... I hate revisiting this play. But this is spot on and I remember Carter's comments the next day on Mike and Mike. Not only did he try to land on both feet, it looked like he wanted to turn up field. You are in the end zone ... where else do you need to go? A receiver that knows how to catch TDs envelops that ball and there is no chance for a defender to poke it away. 

So - semantics ... it was not a "drop", but it was a play that absolutely should have been made (not that there was a lot at stake ...) 

yah but you goin back.  on that roster were a bunch of stars and solid role  players.  you cant go back. joe can't go back not even to 2012. you can only move on.  the huge dead cap hit by tradin joe this offseason is part of the comprehensuv plane. strong pic position and strong pics is the only way to get this team back. otherwis you got joe playin out his deal on a team without league class stars and play makers which is mendosa line from now until who knows when. we may be able to get even mor than two 1's from clevland but first you have to admit the problem. if he cant admit the problem he cant fix it. pitsburg is in the AFC title game.

1 hour ago, jdynamite said:

 

Regardless Evans should have hung on to it even with Moore in there.  But Moore did get his arm in there for the breakup.  

Lee Evans "drop" wasn't  like TJ Housh. drop vs the Steelers in playoffs when the ball hit him directly in the hands and the defender W.Gay was beat. 

luv ur posts, they are beautiful and smart. the best. luv the vids too. when we talk about joe we talk about one year or one throw and he has had a good yr and can make a good throw. but it s his body of play that comes up every time not enuff. that's the problem and the years make it clear where his max abilety is.  we need sam darnold and we are near position to make it happin. if we act now

On ‎1‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 10:59 AM, Purple_City39 said:

I think this is my favorite part of anyone's post.

1. Call Dalton better than Flacco
2. Say Flacco needs a great o-line, stud running game, stud WRs, and an effective defense to succeed
3. Fully ignore the fact that Dalton has had all that practically his whole career 

rooted for joe for years. thought he turned th e corner in 2012.  he didn't. just would point out in the last meetin of the year dalton lacked most of his weapons. green, ifert, hill, givovana. dalton had a 101 ratin to joes 70. 8 yards per attempt to joes 5.  we just gota trade joe asap

On ‎1‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 7:06 PM, OUravensfan said:

I'd have killed to see Dalton play behind our 2013 roster, it would have been atrocious and so much worse 

our red riffle is sam darnold. it we don't go hard for him it would be a big big mistake

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

it's more of an antithesis to the mind-numbing flacco hate in the flacco talk thread than it is an actual comment on the title

don't think anyone hates joe. just don't want to endur his average play with elite pay smh and the horror cap probs it causes. the comprehensuv plan to gain from joes leavin is the sure way to turn us around and drink sweet lemonaid from a sour lemon.

2 hours ago, gtalk12 said:

drafting and retaining players have been the biggest issues as of late in the offseason

fur sur

2 hours ago, gtalk12 said:

 

You don't think the Broncos would love him there? With that cast of WR's? With his arm in that stadium? sheesh...

yah but don't want two 1's from denver

32 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

here we go

 

two 1's can be gotten

9 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

you type like a Dolan meme. 

and you clearly missed the point by a mile and a half.

? whats dolon meme mean?

the point was macjacet layed out how joe flacco is average and we are payin him large and fieldin less but give me a brake this keyboard sticks

22 hours ago, ravensnj said:

Weddle couldn't stop A. Brown or C. Wentz from making game winning touchdowns against us. We might still be playing if he decided to make some tackles. He also displayed hands like Perriman on a few balls that hit him right in the chest, I don't know who complies these fraudulent defensive numbers,  but Weddle along with Webb, aren't that good.

agree when weddle bit on play action to get pitsberg back in the game good safeties don't do that.  it was horrible. but truly believe cincy would have knocked us out anyway

21 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Do you realise you are literally the only person on the planet Earth who says this?

BTW, we beat Eagles.

I thought we bea t the eagels

22 hours ago, balfan23 said:

Many (and not just those in Ravens Nation) thought he was a pro-bowl snub. But apparently he's worthless. 

well watch that bad bite up again and try to argue hes good.  he fills the spot but it doesn't make us strong

well we played Dixon an d he did some good things. 4.3 avg isn't bad. not sure its playmaker good though. think he could have a better year

 at this moment I'm not excitedly about any current players. hopeful jimmy smith comes back and stays healthy but standin pat doesn't feel good with our crop of players.  suggs hurt his arm but he seemed to fall off this year.  joe is joe.

I think our year depends on catchin fire in the draft otherwise standin pat look for more of the same next year.

bad news for zac worse for the rayvans.  he was pla yin solid lb and we don't have a current replacment

On 1/18/2017 at 9:40 PM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

 

 

And this whole draft thing is tired. You need to go back and look again. Throughout our history when we draft in the top half we're dynamite... when we don't it's hit or miss. 

 

sometimes you say the smartest things. those are the things I like to qote.

On 1/18/2017 at 10:06 PM, usmccharles said:

Your basically saying tank for two years.....very noble

yep read what little letter big letter said above. its part of the comprehensuv plan

11 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well considering much of his cap impact is from past bonuses that we paid him and another team wouldn't have to take those one, he'd be a FA for about an hour and a half.

If we were to trade him, another team would only pay him $6M next season, $12M in 2018, and $18.5M in 2019... all great bargains. So yeah, needless to say, there would be about a half dozen teams that would spring into action at that point. At those amounts, his production doesn't even matter. 

The reason we are "stuck with him" is because it would take many, many years to find a better player, and we have no interest in getting rid of a player who's already proven he can be very good for us. Doesn't make much sense from a business or an on-field success standpoint.

We know he's better than Osweiler, and he got $18M a year. So yeah, the bidding starts at $20M and goes up from there. 

 

this is  the most beaufitul smartest things I have evah read here.

now we are stayn the course we are reliyan on everyone from last year and we weren't hurt but for jimmy smith wich probably mattered, but we were mostly health wise. joe was joe was joe. he still don't have his mason or boldin and joe will break you heart bitter. joe aint doin nu thin next year he hasn't done in the first four years of his mega deal. we can trade joe for value and we must. when you guys chip in with facts ike this it helps stevie b understand how to turn the rayvans around. and I thank you for helpin.  two number ones for joe and draft highly during the dead cap years.  now we must chose well and that is par t of the compre hensuv plan.

we are helpin make stevie b great again to its a beautiful t hing

no more mediogrity