PurpleHorseman

If Chad Kelly is available after round4 the potential at the most impactful position is to great to overlook. Raw arm talent is as good as it gets. He looks over everything and see the action very fast. And makes very tough throws look routine and easy. Throws that over 3/4 of NFL QBs would never attempt. He can flick his wrist and throw a 30 yard bullet and thread a needle. He needs some reining in. But the arm talent and instincts are there. He took a pounding and dropped 50 points on Alabama's loaded defense twice. He took some violent hits from Foster and Anderson that would rattle almost any NFL QB. If you are looking for a late round flier there is none better!!

For all his criticism and fights. This dudes teammates look up to him and want to go to war with him. You can't find a single teammate or former teammate that has one thing negative to say. Treadwell who has caught from several NFL round1 QBs lights up with excitement and enthusiasm when asked in an interview what it is like catching from him. I watched the top 5 QBs in this class to be sure I'm not overrating him and overstating my opinion. And it isn't even close!! Trubisky, Watson, Keizer and so called gunslinger Mahomes would not even attempt some of the throws Chad makes look easy with pinpoint bullets at the flick of his wrist.

Like I said he has to be reined in a little but the arm talent, football intelligence and instincts are there in boatloads. His so called bad throws are mostly tough throws nobody else attempts. Look at his yards per completion compared to any QB in this class. But some of those tough throw attempts will need to be tamed. NFL coaches will not like him threading needles on 30 yard outs when there is a sure 10 yard throw the defense is giving away gift wrapped

5 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

I had high hopes for Kafusi last year but this year we almost need him to step up. 

Freakish athlete?? That is a little much. Outside of his 3 cone his lower body explosion is pedestrian. I'm not a fan of him at all. He isn't strong at all for 285lbs. He isn't athletic enough to play rush olb in a 3-4. He failed miserably at it in college. Didn't like the pick at that time. And he has not grown on me.  I don't believe he has the juice to beat NFL tackles. I would like some edge rushers and penetrators in this draft like Tim Williams/Carl Lawson and DJ Jones/Malik McDowell

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

My two biggest pet prospects are Jordan Morgan, G/T and Ahkello Witherspoon, CB.

I think Witherspoon will wind up being one of the top 3 CB's in a draft that will wind up with 7-8 really good ones. Will be one of the best 2nd CBs in the league and with our trio we'd have the best secondary in the league next year. 

Plus it'd be really cool to have both our CBs be from the University of Colorado. Get Awuzie too for the heck of it. 

 

And Morgan if around in the 4th/5th is a steal. He will be an absolute mauler of an OG and become a 10+ year starter with multiple Pro Bowls. 

Dorian Johnson is another OG that I think is a lot better than some think. He's my 3rd OG behind Lamp and Feeney.... not counting Cam or Dawkins who I think both can be great OGs but someone will try to make RTs. 

Somebody could take Morgan at end of round1 and he would justify the pick. One of my best friends went to his school and showed me some clips of practices. If he went to USC Oregon Penn state he would be a borderline round1 talent. Ravens should draft him round4 and consider him in round3. He and Lewis could make a nice tandem for a long time after Yanda retires. Throw in Lamp at center and that is a bulldozing interior trio. Harbaugh reported that Lewis is really growing into his frame and is far stronger. If ravens picked up Morgan and Lamp we would only need to find a RT for a stud o-line for years. I'm all for offensive line being No.1 priority.

On 4/11/2017 at 3:29 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Pound the table for guys here, so it's official. Unfortunately the forums are closing so there's no way to look back unless you migrate elsewhere... 

no pounding for Garrett or Allen or Adams or any completely duh prospects.

pounding the table isn't necessarily demanding the ravens draft a guy, but making a firm stance that a player will be excellent.

 

Im pounding the table for

Derek Barnett

 tre'davious white 

Evan engram 

Tim williams

Desmond king

dan feeney

TJ watt.

I think we will look back on all of these guys and say they should have went earlier than they did. I counted one character concern and one injury concern but tried my best to avoid those. 

Nut up or shut up who are you officially pounding the table for?

Nice idea thread flex!!

Anyways im kinda really busy and I'm a little behind this year finding the players I really really like. So far I like

DeDe Westrook

Ardarius Stewart

JuJu!! (I like and root for him)

Justin Evans

Duwaune Smoot -so explosive, agile and flexible, if he gets stronger he could make a serious impact as an rush olb!!

Tim Williams

Jordan Morgan

Carl Lawson

Malik McDowell- some coach is going to get this dude playing. And when he hits NFL and has to work hard and grows into his frame he could be jj like.

Forrest Lamp

Jermaine Eluemunor 

DJ Jones- I really like this dude. At 6'1 322 lbs He can play the nose or penetrator as a tackle in a 4-3 and defensive end in a 3-4. But in my opinion his best fit is playing closer to 300 lbs and going all in as a penetrator 

Larry Ogunjobi. One of these defensive tackles will be as good/ better than the hyped up Jonathan Allen

Some players I'm not sure about yet like Dawkins Moton Feeney

7 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I personally see him as a mid 3rd guy but I could understand why he goes second. He's got big play threat written all over him

Who are you referring to

Chiefs will likely consider trading Maclin. Chiefs have a lot of young receivers with skill it found in mid rounds.including running back/receiver hybrids. Maclin is only 28 which would make him the youngest vet we ever picked up. He is as fast as Wallace but is a far better route runner on intermediate level. And can break routes off and get that fast separation and turn for yards in a blink. 

On 4/11/2017 at 8:29 AM, rmcjacket23 said:

Actually that's not true at all. The biggest knock on our WR core for years has been that we have depth... we just don't have anybody who separates themselves from the pack in terms of quality talent. If all of your receivers on your roster are near the same caliber of talent, then by definition, you have depth, because it means that if one of your "starters" goes down, the replacement level player is nearly as productive.

The REAL issue with our WR core is exactly what the FO has told us it is... we have no possession receiver who can work the middle of the field and be effective on third downs or in the red zone. That's the type of receiver we need. The reason why a Wallace/Perriman combo isn't exactly thrilling is because they both run similar route trees and have similar skill sets, and neither is a guy you trust to go over the middle and make a tough, contested catch in a critical spot in the game.

That's the type of guy we're going to look to add. If its a first rounder, great. If its a veteran, cool (I wouldn't prefer this). If its a mid-rounder, good. 

Your third WR is typically going to play somewhere around 50-60% of the snaps. Aiken played 52% last year, Perriman 43%. Even Steve Smith only played around 64%, so the drop from him to Aiken wasn't nearly as big as people think.

If we're in that position, that's what I'd expect to happen. Wallace will lead the receivers in targets and playing time, and Perriman and a third receiver (not yet on the roster most likely) will be playing about 2/3 or so, split among them. I don't see anything we do, including a first round WR, changing that. I don't think you're going to see Wallace and another player both playing like 90% of snaps. Think you'll see a steady rotation of guys.

 

Have to say it makes sense. Ravens rarely have a young WR that separates himself from the pack. 

On 4/4/2017 at 1:30 PM, cobrajet said:

I personally did not like trading back twice in the second. I was hoping to pick up Spence and was disappointed when we we didn't. Time will tell if it was a big mistake.

Time as in .03 seconds!! Correa is one pick I can't talk myself into liking. There were all so much better options. I liked Thomas, Ngakoue and Spence at that pick. As well as Boyd Jones and Cravens. 

1 hour ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

Im Pounding the table for Ardarius Stewart WR Alabama in the 3rd round!!

Your going to be pounding the table for guy already drafted.

1 hour ago, RaineV1 said:

His ability to get open deep is not on the same level as Mike Williams or John Ross. He's far better as an intermediate threat than a deep threat, and at the NFL level I don't see Davis outrunning DBs to the endzone. He'll get yards after the catch, but he isn't going to leave some safety in his dust. His style of play is much closer to someone like Eric Decker or even Boldin rather than Amari Cooper.

Eric Decker always faster than credited for. Better separation and contested catches than credited for sure. Shannon Sharp several yrs ago showed him inside the red zone creating separation at an elite level exploding out of breaks and making tough catches. Amari Cooper is more of a precision intermediate receiver than his rep implies. Davis shows breakaway speed on many occasions. It may be the mac but cornerbacks are running 4.5 range at least. And yet he pulls away.

The bar is being raised for WRs to compete. There are several cornerbacks safety's in this class that 10 yrs ago would be WR's. But NFL calls for defensive backs that can compete. The linebackers are faster and better equipped to guard TE's and running backs. Leaving the defensive backs to take out WR's. If our offense was struggling before. It is not getting any easier for the offense. Not to mention the edge rushers coming into the league. Would be cool for ravens to pick up one of an offensive lineman/WR as camp cut/trade. Then have a really good draft. Hit on a standout offensive lineman and WR/TE. Chiefs have a lot of young skill at WR. Maclin could be cut/traded. Only 28 and productive could increase with stronger armed better QB like Joe

On 4/5/2017 at 1:04 PM, RaineV1 said:

I guess the Ravens are looking for a more dynamic playmaker. I like Davis, but he's not that guy. He's not the guy that can effective attack every level of the defense, like Williams and possibly Ross can.

Say what?? Davis can win on multiple platforms that include every level. He runs sudden routes for early separation if needed. He can separate intermediate level and make a play on the ball if needed. And he has shown breakaway speed after the catch. He has speed to get deep and make plays on the ball if necessary. At 6'3 1/2 216lbs he runs sharp sudden routes like a 6'0 195lb receiver.

He is similar to Amari Cooper in precision. And can be a contested ball winner if necessary. He hasn't the amount of contested catches of mike Williams because he doesn't need to very often. He gets separation with suddenness and precision. He looked like a college boy playing with Highschool kids. He should be the No.2 catcher off the board behind Howard. We better find a legit young receiver/TE. Wallace is 31 and not known for precision to extend his production into his 30's.

And last couple drafts has sent bigger faster corn. erbacks and cover safety's. And this could be the best draft ever for the cornerback position. Multiple Top end No.2 and even NO.1 cornerbacks are going to come out of round3 and round4 in this draft. So the bar is being raised for receivers and TE's. Not to mention the NFL is moving toward smaller coverage linebackers and even big safety's being converted to linebackers that can cover Zones that receivers normally don't have to account for. 

I took some heat for throwing out the idea of trading our round1 pick for a tackle/guard I believe will be a top5 offensive lineman in the league. The most effective way to counter the better coverage is a dominating offensive line. Allowing the receivers backs and TE's to uncover. To spring the run game and make defenses respect it. Which will help the players doing the catching to have space to get open. I'm not saying we should trade that pick for an offensive lineman because of this being a weak draft for that position. But I do think it is important to place priority on the offensive line. And not only serviceable offensive lineman, but dominant offensive lineman that will allow run game,WR's TE's and receiving backs to do their best stuff.

23 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Honesty and credibility is on this board, just have to chose who to believe.  If I was a brick wall, id probably give credibility to RayRay.  Certain posters over time show their knowledge, regardless if you like them or not.  Perfect example is RmcJacket, he uses facts when he makes an argument, so its easy to prove what he says is a fact and not opinion. 

I think its more wishful thinking on your part just wanting said player, I just don't see getting a good return giving up our 16th pick.  But when doing a mock, shouldn't you be more realistic?  I mean its your mock and all, do what ya want.  But that would be like me doing a mock giving up our next three 1s to get Garret, its not impossible that would ever happen, just highly unlikely....

You said it well. Not likely to be traded for. But Collins is my pick to be recognized as a top 5 offensive lineman in the NFL and maybe even best overall. As for Garrett I wouldn't trade 3 round1 picks. But some team may trade their draft. You don't get players that caliber in free agency.until 10 yrs in the league and no longer that caliber athlete. Not sure I would trade every pick of draft for Garrett??

25 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Need definitely affects my stance. I'm less inclined to watch players at a position we shouldn't need, and when I start seeing mocks projecting a DT when we shouldn't need one I'll go in and almost bitterly watch a prospect, searching for flaws and failed plays so I can write them off lol. 

I was a big cj Mosley fan but with us signing Daryl smith long term and drafting Arthur brown I was looking for reasons to not like him leading up to the draft lol, and I was lukewarm on HHCD coming out but convinced myself he was a better prospect than Mosley simply because we needed a safety. 

So yes, Im an offender of projecting certain feelings on players based on the ravens current situation

I actually wanted CJ Mosley at that pick. I like 3 down Linebackers that can hit a runner on one play then cover a Zone 20 yards on the next like an extra safety. That skillset is very undervalued. It is as valuable as a good edge rusher. As much as I favor an elite offensive line. Ravens should pick Foster if he is available at pick 16.

12 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Has the Ravens ever in the 20+ years traded their first round pick for a player? Im not being sarcastic, actually asking.  Im not exactly a fan of this draft.  In a defensive loaded drafted i would rather (i think the FO would as well) grab a younger player at a cheaper cost, which any player we select would be just that.  When doing a mock i think its important to put players that are off the board, it gives context to the players you selected (at least in the first, doing that for the whole draft would be obviously too time consuming).

I know it's not likely to happen but negs is not changing my mind. Now if there was honesty and credibility on this board I may reconsider. But fans who negged the idea of Upshaw and Elam a bust. One of several bad crazy biased thoughts on this forum. Need I go further and say some different things that were almost unanimous this board yet wrong? 

I like the idea of building up the offensive line. However I'm not sure there is a player that fits pick16. Lamp is the best lineman. However I don't think he could play Tackle at an all pro level in the NFL. He could be an all pro center. But he isn't the caliber that Collins is. I like Lamp a lot. But he isn't pancaking NFL players very often. Much less 2 all pro defensive players on the same play. He isn't pancaking many NFL lineman on his way to taking out a linebacker on the same play like Collins with regularity. Nor is any offensive lineman Available at pick 16 we can get in this particular draft

1 hour ago, January J said:

I think Barnett is at the top of our list of players ( that atleast have a possibility of dropping to 16) unfortunately I dont think he will make it. I'm almost positive that it will come down to these 6 players one way or the other:

Derek Barnett- Corey Davis- Mike Williams- Reuban Foster- Haasan Reddick - Tak  McKinley

Ofcourse anything can happen and a guy like Lattimore or Humphrey could be there but I doubt it.

Barnett will be there at 16

35 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Im convinced our target is Barnett to replace Suggs.  His numbers at the combine werent very impressive, but neither were Suggs.  Barnett or Mike Williams....im pretty happy

Barnett is one player I don't want.  Suggs was a surprise to only run 4.8. He played far faster than that. Everybody is expecting Barnett to run in the 4.8-4.9 range. I would prefer Corey Davis to Mike Williams.

51 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Can we all just agree that this is far from the realm of possibility and illogical?

Know it probably wouldn't happen. But he is my pick to become the best offensive lineman in the  league and would like to have him. All I'm saying if we were to trade our NO. 1 for Collins and thrift NO.2 or 3 that his play would definitely justify the move.

1 hour ago, 52520Andrew said:

Stupid to give up the 16th pick for an average guard a year from FA? YEAH, why else do you think you are getting negged like crazy lol. Considering how Leary did well in 2014 and this past year while Free has struggled the past couple years, yeah it would make more sense for the Cowboys to move Collins to RT if they liked him there. They didn't move him though and if they are more comfortable with Free at the position, doesn't really look good for Collins at RT here.

Yeah, had Scherff higher and still do. Considering he went in the top 5 while Collins was maybe the 15th best player in the class before the whole situation with him, I'd say a lot of people agree with me. You really need to get over your man crush on Collins, it is getting kinda sad at this point. Pretty sure people have already commented loads of people better than Collins around the league. Go dig for it and watch some actual film on those guys. 

Honestly I would love to be around RSR just for the entertainment value of watching you say Collins is better than guys like KO, Yanda, among many others but I'm gonna have to pass that responsibility to others. Don't worry, I am sure they will laugh at you just as much haha

And better than Scherf?? Lmao like I said if negs meant squat Upshaw would be an all pro. Round1 picks are traded for Great players says professionals that get paid to do it. Scherf is a total bust at tackle and you would take him before Collins?? Seriously?? If Collins isn't all pro caliber I'm wrong. If he is you will regroup your argument.

1 hour ago, 52520Andrew said:

Maybe you think that but the actual smart people in the league don't. RTs or OGs make about 12 mil per year max. Chandler Jones is getting way more than that and he ain't the only one. 

Also where did I say I wanted Leary? Are you even reading what I said? I said he outplayed Collins at Guard which he did.

Collins at RT is a question mark given he hasn't played the position in the NFL. The fact the Cowboys didn't play him there with Doug Free being their weakest link could indicate they aren't huge fans of him at RT.

Also Collins was not a better prospect than Stanley or Tunsil and I'd take Scherff over him as well. 

Sorry but trading the 16th pick for a guard/RT a year from FA is stupid. 

So YOU say it is stupid?? Prifrssionals paid to do it say different. So the cowboys played Collins at a position of need at the time. And your conclusion is cowboys aren't fans of his skillset to play RT?? Don't think it was anything to do with Free was playing that position at a comfortable level? And Guard was the need at time? The weakest link on the best line in the league is better than most.

You would seriously take Scherf over Collins?? Talk about stupid ideas? Many "Professional" analysts put him at the top of their offensive line board by draft day. Mayock and Jerimiah to name a couple. Their explanation was knew he was a nasty mauler but he is a far better athlete than once thought. And it was a year like 6 offensive lineman went in round 1.  Scherf was humiliated by Ngakoue. Go look at all the great sec edge rushers that said Collins was the toughest blocker ever faced on any level. Are you going to be on RSR  next year? When Collins is playing lights out it is going to be interesting what you have to say.

13 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

best move of the offseason. 

the difference this makes in our secondary is so big. cheap signing, for a longtime team first hard working guy. 

when healthy, webb plays boundary corner, slot corner, ss, and fs, at a very respectable level, and does so with more knowledge of the pees defense than probably anyone on the team as he is a very high iq savvy veteran db. by making him a depth piece, his age becomes much less of a factor, when his number is called he is rested, familiar, and ready to go, and it helps to reduce the risk of injury theoretically. 

if webb stays healthy, then we are no longer gonna see our defense dwindle into a joke just because we lose one db, we now have a solid veteran backup who can step into any spot. jimmy gets hurt? move carr to 1 and put webb at 2, carr gets hurt? put webb at 2. tavon gets hurt? put webb at slot. either safety gets hurt? simply slide webb in. one more young and healthy corner would be great to really take a full measure, but the moves that have been made like jefferson and carr and webb, really helps us avoid the same problem that buries us every year.

I agree. And add an ilb that can play the run physical and run and cover like Foster Zack Brown and Reddick and defense will control the intermediate range.

I'm not angry about trade unless Jerney gets double digit sacks. When defense has to keep him from QB isn't that keeping linebackers clean? If he doesn't play any better then he looks bad.

7 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i would sacrifice an elite RT for a serviceable RT to have a pair of elite guards, no question. RT is simply the least important position probably on the entire offense its the most avoidable and visible area of attack from a qb/rb perspective and a good pass rusher vs a weak RT can actually be exploited quite easily with designed dumpoffs, edge rushers simply dont tend to have the discipline to cover the safety valve when given an easy rush and its the most effortless pass a qb could make, that rush often leaves a nice fat void to exploit given the alignment is right(basically have the slot to the left and run the strongside TE across the field). 

how do you think brady so often exploits edge rushers and why do you think they so often emphasize pass catching rbs? its extremely effective, we did it very well when we had ray rice and michael oher was stinkin up the joint. but this tactic will fail often if the center and guard is getting shoved into the qbs lap, as will every tactic. 

i would, without question, take cam robinson or forrest lamp at 16 and kick alex lewis out to RT and leave collins the hell alone, not worth the payday he'll want after a year and not worth the investment to trade for. plus i think both cam and lamp project to just be better guards than collins, they both could struggle as tackles where collins would be serviceable, but theres no point investing so much into collins to be a serviceable RT when you can find those kinds of guys pretty easily. honestly i think you are just way too sold on collins. not to say hes a bad player, but i dont see anything close to this "best OL in the league" you see, not even top 10 at his given position. coming out of college i thought he was a solid prospect as a swing guy and nothing more and his play in the NFL has only reinforced that opinion. 

is he even gonna start over leary in 2017?

Leary signed with Broncos. Collins is probably playing RT.  Leary while a really good guard is limited to playing guard. I like the idea of elite guards. But I would actually prefer elite Guards and an elite RT that could excel at Left tackle if needed there. lol the goal is to blow the opponents off the line on every snap and control the line so Joe comfortablly looks over his receivers sets and throws. His receivers have time to work any route strategy. And the runner has holes to work through. We control the line, the clock and the game. 😉 Methodically sustain drives. Best way to beat Tom Brady is keep out of game.

9 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

Don't see Collins as being worth that much. For reference, Chandler Jones, one of the better edge rushers in the NFL was moved for a late 2nd rounder last year with one year left before FA. Even if Collins was a top tier guard, #16 overall is a ton to give up for that position and I'd take Chandler Jones over a top tier guard any day of the week. 

I would prefer an elite guard/RT to chandler Jones. Collins will eventually play RT in Dallas and get recognized as one of the best lineman in the game. Edge rushers are great to have. But I'm going to prioritize the offensive line without question. Collins dominated all the elite sec edge rushers. He was Mayock's top offensive lineman in a draft where 6 I believe went in round1. 

Your Ron Leary idea isn't bad. We should of signed him. He has a powerful anchor. Ask jj watt. He isn't as mobile as Collins and can't play tackle like Collins. and isn't quite the drive blocker because he can't run his feet quite like Collins. But he gets to next level well enough and his anchor is as good as it gets.

If we would of signed Leary the question is could Lewis play RT? Harbaugh is very adamant about the guard thing but I think he could play RT very well if given opportunity. If we could have signed Leary then Lewis would have to play Tackle. Unless we drafted Cam or Lamp to play Tackle. Harbaugh said Lewis at center was an option. But I think Lamp would be better for Center. Any of those scenarios would of put our offensive line complete and dominant to add Leary then Draft One of Lamp/Cam. Lewis I do think is going to be good

6 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

i can only think of 3 first rounders traded away for existing players: sam bradford - desperation move to not waste a season, trent richardson - stupid move made by a terrible gm who likely wont ever be a gm again, brandin cooks - a late first rounder for a player with immense scheme-value... a move that still feels expensive but i guess they can exercise his option so can get him for 2 years...

The dude that traded a round1 for Trent should of been taken to a crazy house. lol.This runner that is taken down easy, is not elusive and runs scared. Trade for him and turn him loose behind your mud pile of an offensive line and think he is breaking out? Who made him a GM?  He signed a well over his prime running back and WR as well.

8 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

That is all I would pay for him if that, now if Zach Martin or Travis Frederick were on the trading block I'd be for giving up a decent amount although giving up 16 for almost anyone is still a really stupid move. The fact you think giving up that much draft capital is worth it tells me just how inexperienced at this you are.

Ah there it is, he is big and was one of your favorite players. Well shoot, I remember Ramon Harewood was even bigger, so maybe we should bring him back too, really help our line out. 

Also Collins being 6'5" is really important, really helps him get leverage over shorter defenders because we all know the high man wins right?

We all have draft crushes but just because they are your favorite player doesn't really mean much and is a great way to get burned when evaluating draft prospects. Happens to everyone here and you can't let stuff like that cloud your judgement when evaluating these guys.

Heck it happens all the time here even with current players. There was a time where people thought guys like Marlon Brown and Asa Jackson would be good for us. Players get hyped in camp every year and a lot of people get hit with a reality check come the regular season and those guys disappoint. Sometimes it works out like with Rick Wagner or Zach Orr but often we get Elams, Tommy Streeters, Aaron Mellettes, or Gino Gradkowskis.

Collins while a solid Guard is not worth giving up our 16th pick. In the current state of the NFL, draft picks are crazy valuable not just because guys are young but also because in the CBA they are dirt cheap. If you get a good player at a pick, you can get great value out of them in comparison to their actual worth. Once they are done their rookie contract however they get paid market value and FA prices are rarely a bargain for a team. We would only have Collins a year before having to pay him market value while with the 16th pick we get a potential stud for 4 or 5 years at a good price(see CJ Mosley or Ronnie Stanley, our latest top 20 picks). 

I agree with most of this except great players with rare skills shatters the rules of cheap players. If Lael Collins isn't recognized as the best lineman in the league next year I have no problem acknowledging this is a bad idea. I'm usually the one saying trade a round1 pick for multiple round2 and 3 picks. And trading players over 30 for draft picks. But once in a while a players potential curbstomps that strategy. I wanted to trade Dumevil for a round 3 after our 1-4 record. But I think this happens to be a rare opportunity to get a rare talent along the offensive line.

Somebody said you don't forget different positions for the offensive line. Position'(s) how many are we addressing with one pick? What if we were to take Lamp and he is a bust? And Collins is recognized as the best offensive lineman in the game. So it's a game of leverage and your takeaway is height is a bad thing?  Comparing Lael Collins to Harewood based on height? Show me one clip of a harewood pancake. Osemele is nearly 6'6 and is the best guard in the league. Lewis is 6'6 and Harbaugh believes he is a future pro bowler.