PurpleHorseman

Just now, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Yes adding Gronk would be awesome. But it's not happening. 

Who are the "many" that are speculating he'll be traded? Can you cite them?

And they won without him but with Bennett. Bennett's gone. He's Brady's best weapon and makes them a far more dangerous team. 

They have no reason to move him. They have plenty of cap space so the cap dump is a moot point. 

Its not happening. Doesn't make much sense for either side. Fantasy is fun but let's get back to predictions for the draft.... and ones that have even a slight possibility of happening. 

You talk like it's a bad idea. You don't like 27 yr old All pro playmakers??Adding Gronk makes no sense? If he were 33 yrs old and cut then it would make sense right?? Cite who?? Seriously?? Google Gronk Trade and see what you find. Not saying it's going to happen but Belichick is making a lot of moves. He could be changing the offense altogether. How do you fit in all those weapons. Edelman, Hogan, The ascending Mitchell, Allen, Cooks, Gronk. Similar to when Moss was traded when Gronk/Hernandez arrived and patriots moved to a 2TE offense.

13 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Dont you think if BB wants to get rid of a player, there is a pretty good damn reason why? A lot of things would be awesome, like talking to my dog, but the chances are about the same and honestly talking to my dog might be easier.  

Belichick is known for trading players more than anybody. Trading Gronk out of nowhere wouldn't surprise.

9 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Who said Belichick had a problem with Wrestlemania other than media speculating?

They aren't trading Gronk unless it's for compensation that wows them. A 1st rd pick is probably the starting point. 

And we're not giving up that sort of compensation for a frequently injured player on a big contract. 

 

If you don't like 0% chance... fine. But it's not any better than maybe a 4-5% chance. 

Patriots won without him. And with latest injury Belichick may want to unload his salary. Not likely. But many are speculating Belichick at least considering trading Gronk. With injuries he will not command round1 pick. A round2 could maybe pull it off. Whatever the % chance is. Adding Gronk would be awesome for the offense.

1 hour ago, RaineV1 said:

Move up. Not get a 3rd rounder. Like, Maxx or Gilmore and our 3rd round pick (original or Eagles) for someone else's third round pick. Maybe throw in our 6th round pick to help sweeten the deal.

Our TE's have little to zero trade value. Max is only one anybody could have interest in. He has very good skill level but everything I read says he is lazy with poor workout and eating habits. He coasted on natural skill in college. It's a shame to cuz he has top5 TE raw skill level. He is fast and slippery for a big TE that is slightly out of shape. He has awesome hands and ball skills. And he has very good instincts and reading of coverage. He knows where to go and settle in. If he worked like Gronk he could challenge for all pro.

At 6'5 255lbs he could run and play at 4.58-4.63 range with silky smooth slippery style. Raven offense counting him getting his act together. If we did trade for Gronk and Max adopted his work ethic could you imagine our offense? Then Boyle playing fullback with Dixon an elite receiving threat. And that is before factoring in the WR's. As in drafting Ardarius Stewart/JuJu/Davis. And maybe Chris Moore coming to his own. Lots Potential 

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

 

I know this is a bold prediction thread, but there is zero chance we get Gronk lol.  But i like your thinking, kind of lol

Why do you say zero chance?? Patriots won without him(granted lot of luck involved) and Bill Belichick more or less tolerates Gronks style. Bill didn't like his latest antics getting involved in wwe wrestle mania. His style fits ravens more than patriots. Don't mistake his partying for drama players. Gronk is the first to practice and train and the last to leave. The dude works harder than even Tom Brady. May not trade him to rival but Belichick can be pretty arrogant and trade him then try to contain him!!

Just now, PurpleHorseman said:

Back to bold predictions. We trade round4 and round 3 next year pick for Gronk on draft day. I think a good chance we add a vet like a Duane Brown Jeremy Maclin and maybe Gronk

2 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

Talk about needlessly reading into something and taking unnecessary offense. All I'm saying is that everytime I used to go into those threads and say "well Flacco shouldn't be absolved of all blame, he's certainly nowhere near the biggest problem on the team and he has little help, but some of the decisions he makes are entirely on him" I get negged to death, and as such I stopped going into those threads. That's literally all i'm saying there, I certainly didn't say there was no such thing as objectivity here, you may be confusing me for the other guy who was saying that. I even said later in that comment that you quoted that there is plenty of sane discussion to have on Flacco, it just doesn't usually happen in those threads.

Not at all.Dont be absurd. What makes you me anybody a homer is biased opinions. Like moving a player up 100 spots on your draft board after your team drafts him. Convincing yourself your players are better than opponents based on who plays for your team. Over confident in your teams projections. Convincing yourself an expensive free agent isn't a good addition on your team because you know your team isn't going to sign him. While knowing you would do cartwheels if your team actually signed him. lol Some examples of being  homeristic.

So what are some thoughts if we could bring in Maclin for a round4 draft pick? He is 28 and a better more physical route runner than Wallace. He has some SS/Boldin toughness in traffic. He is elusive after the catch as well. He is fast and shifty for that early separation needed to move the chains. And has the big play speed and ball skills. Maclin gives Ravens better than average WR's at least. With a chance to have a great unit if One of Perriman/Moore take his game to starter caliber.

10 minutes ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

Bingo! The premise of the OP is wrong. Everyone knows we have ZERO depth at WR. The real question is who will be our #1 WR, our #2 WR and our #3 WR. Obviously, we need another starting caliber WR and the draft will probably not fill that need. That being said, it is important that we draft a stud WR and obtain a veteran legitimate deep threat thru free agency. With all due respect to Wallace, there is nobody on our current roster who fills that role unless Perriman matures into the role.

16 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He's also the only one whos had consistent postseason success despite having a weak offensive cast and horrible coordinating, while the others have had weapons flacco dreams of having yet they have fell short far more times than flacco has. 

Im a huge flacco fan and I'll admit he needs to get better. His inability to hit guys in stride and his tendency to lose all sense of mechanics is absolutely maddening. But look at what he did against Pitt, when it mattered, he won that game for us despite his guys on offense letting him down repeatedly with drops and failures to make routine sideline catches(cough pitta) and what happened? Our defense gave up a pathetic absurd drive to lose it. It's been a recurring theme for flaccos whole career. No qb has been let down by his team more than flacco has and the "fans" who watch this team week in and week out can't even see it. Does he need to get better? Absolutely, especially for what he's being paid, but his supporting cast on offense needs to improve ten fold of what flacco needs to improve.

Mostly agreed

7 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

That's asinine and stupid reasoning. The whole panel agreed... literally Tom Brady and Mike Tomlin could be on that panel and praise Flacco and you'd still attempt to delegitimise it...

Cool, find ANYBODY else saying that. Of all the QB's on that rating. Joe is the one that is one more bad year away from his team looking for his replacement. 

8 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Jennings and sharpe, actual longtime NFL players and performed as some of the best in the league at their positions, and super bowl winners... all agreed

Like I said Bayless is Bayless. Sharp was a raven. And Jennings wants to play. And ravens have a history of over 30 yr old retread receivers. So Jennings was scoring points for a job. lol

15 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

http://m.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Late-For-Work-417-Joe-Flacco-Ranked-Top-First-Round-Quarterback-Of-Past-Decade/ac18f06d-f24b-40c2-aa84-72fcf066b5ea 

didnt think I'd get to use this link so soon, just found it today

Dude please don't bring Bayless into this. His whole game is saying something controversial to spark interest. I was referring to fans who are football fanatics. I deal with people from all over the country. And I haven't heard anybody that has Joe over Matt. I think it's pretty close but Matts accuracy and faster trigger where to go with throws gives him a slight edge. To be more blunt. I never heard a fan say Flacco is better than Matt. Most of the unbiased fans. And by unbiased I mean not a ravens fan and not a rival teams fan. Say " I know this may anger you, but Flacco is the best game manager". Meaning he isn't a QB you put the game on his shoulder. Of course I argue if he is in the right offense with Right players he will be a very prolific qb

5 minutes ago, Jonah DeVito said:

Shannon Sharpe, Greg Jennings, and Skip Bayless (although not a big fan) all stated Flacco was at the top of their list of 1st round QBs drafted in the last decade, over your man crush Matt Ryan. So once again, you are wrong. 

I have already discussed this with fans of various teams. Bayless is Bayless. Sharp is a former raven. And Jennings is trying to make a team. And ravens have a rep of over 30 retread receivers lol. 

17 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

Lol, weird, saying Foster isn't a top 15 talent now means that I'm against taking him out of the top 15, makes sense. Seems like you've got a bad case of "I'm always right and everyone is just against me" syndrome. I'd like to see if anyone in the history of this sub has every said anything to the effect of "Flacco is better than Brady," Who else outside of our range have I ever trashed around here besides Foster - whom I have never trashed, he's a fine player, but I do think he's overrated - and Solomon Thomas - who's trashing I'll stand behind any day of the week. I have not gone against any other player that is seemingly out of our range. I'm sorry that that fact doesn't jive with your "I'm always right and the negs prove that" mentality.

Never said that. But whenever mentioned Matt Brady is better it is negged. I'll give you a more clear example. Nobody outside this board would ever argue Flacco is better than Matt Ryan. This is the only place you will ever see an argument for Flacco being better than Ryan.

21 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

That's not true at all - I don't think anyone is realistically saying flacco is better than Brady or that jarrad Davis should go ahead of foster but likewise no one here just accepts that guys out of our range are perfect prospects (they are just less flawed than guys who are in range - doesn't mean we have to like them though) ... I think Jamal Adams is the only prospect I haven't worried about briefly at all as a prospect for any reason this draft season

youre right of course, if I could do cartwheels, I would do them if we drafted foster at 16

I know many don't say it. But neg it whenever mentioned. I would be for trading up for Hooker or Adams. Maybe Foster if it was only couple spots. And it isn't only players flaws. Any player out of range is usually overrated. And not a good idea to trade up for. Like the Khalil Mack discussion. Every body here said trading the round1-3 picks would of been a bad idea. And said ravens were better off with Mosley Jernigan and the slug of a TE than Mack. Who is co best defensive player in the league. And a very rare irreplaceable player. 

Same in free agency. All the older players and ravens style moves are great. Anything that seems not a ravens move and not likely to happen most around here. Many here convince themselves it is a bad move anyways. Paying Wagner and Osemele is to much money and overpaying most said. Yet paying $60 to a 2 down limited player is the right move. Limited 2 down block eaters come a dime a dozen but most convince themselves it was a great signing. But paying the same money to a guard that consistently drives nosetackles off the ball is to much money. And as always want to believe it is the right decision. Nobody wanted Perriman at 26. Anybody would agree before the draft Perriman in round1 is a reach. But now everybody says he is going to be a No. WR. Biased opinions.

56 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Never saw him as a first rounder. He is just so bad at disengaging, he is stiff(despite what some seem to be saying, I find it odd that everyone thought he was stiff a month ago and suddenly he isn't?) and as far as athleticism and motor is concerned there are other edge rushers just as good. 

And no he's not my least favorite, I'd be upset with cook/mcaffrey, peppers, Conley, Cunningham, bolles, and a lot of the other guys that could easily be considered second rounders, which is a category I think takk falls into, but of all those borderline guys takk would definitely be in the upper end of that category

Many of these edge rushers are so overrated it is mind boggling. There are no Aldon Smiths, Rob Quinn's,Von Millers and especially Khalil Mack's. Last year was considered a weak edge rusher class and I like it better. I liked Floyd,Spence and Ngakoue better than anybody outside of Garrett in this class. Not to mention  Dodd and Lawson. I'm beginning to see Harris can really get parallel when he want to bend. Watch lot more of Harris!

48 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

Said the same thing on the first page. He's easily the best coverage LB already, if he didn't have a serious injury history he'd be in the conversation of first LB taken. I'm not all that high on Foster, he'll set a physical tone, but I don't think he's got the instincts of past LBs taken in the top 10. To me he's not a top 10, maybe even top 15, guy in this class. If we want a Bama LB wait until next year for Rashaan Evans.

Whatever dude if ravens got Foster you all would be doing cartwheels. Why does this board always smash on players it knows are out of range. And hit the neg icon on things that are true but don't like. Somebody could say Flacco is not as good as Brady and it would get 101 negs. Homerism at its finest.

Just now, Jonah DeVito said:

Jarrad Davis will be better than Foster. 

Maybe in a future lifetime

Charles Harris I'm beginning to like. The secondary skills that rarely anybody talks about he shows a lot of. He would be a steal rd2

1 minute ago, Jonah DeVito said:

I don't care about the reasoning, this would piss me off. 

Y?? He and Mosley would control the middle of the field like having 2 extra strong safety's. Making the secondary better and allow for exotic blitzing

Ravens trade up for Foster. My opinion the best player in the draft and the safest pick. once a decade player.

17 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Maybe he was lol I just analyzed big boards and recent mocks by multiple outlets and tried to plug and go. I was impressed by Brantley's quickness when I watched him.  

In all realism, if the altercation is true then I would have substituted Brantley for Tanoh Kpassagnon or Derek Rivers. 

How about Ogunjobi/Jones

12 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I like the players taken but feel like we lost the trades. 

We move down 8 spots in the 1st and have to give up our 4th just to get a late 2nd??

And then trade out of the 1st round entirely back 10 spots and only get a 3rd??

I mean would you trade pick 16 AND our 4th for two 2nds and a 3rd?

Idk maybe the draft pick value math works out on this but it seems like we lost. 

 

EDIT: just checked the trade value chart and it actually says we win both of those trades. So maybe it's just me... but still feels like a loss moving all the way out of the 1st. 

Never Cared for that trade value chart. It's all about who is left on the board. Every draft is always different.

Great draft. And JuJu is a better athlete than given credit for. He is big strong and elusive. Turns for yardage as fast as anybody. He highpoints and has hips and suddenness to be a great route runner. One of his times was a sub 4.5. But officially a 4.52. A very good time for a big physical WR. Torn between him and Ardarius Stewart. 

12 hours ago, Jonah DeVito said:

To be fair, Stanley will man handle everyone 

Stanley isn't a power player he is a wall off technician. He grows into that ultra long athletic frame and he could eventually be that drive blocking man handler. He has the athleticism frame length and technique