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46 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I was just reading another Ravens websites forum.... 

And the majority of posters there want John Ross or Christian McCaffery. 

 

My gosh im going to miss this place. Please.... please let's stick together. 

Where was this at

There is a forgotten WR nobody talks about after his 4.7540. I know I make jokes about how slow  Darreus Rogers is. I guessed he would run 4.7 range and he was worse. I know he isn't the No.1 we need. But he plays faster than his computer numbers. He is fluid and fast in and out of breaks. He has huge hands and can make all the contested catches. Maybe he is a no.3 wr. But he is going to be s chain mover. In the late 90s there was a receiver that ran a terrible 40. He was same size as Rogers. Orande Gadsden made tough catches and was a very solid WR. He didn't even have any speed on the team to open things up.

Rogers is going to be a late round steal for somebody. I knew he was slow and didn't want him over JuJu. But I always felt he would be productive.  While most soured on him I like him in mid/late rounds. He creates late separation. In a legit offense he will be a 60-90 catch 700-1000 yards and a red zone scorer. Forget even his 10 yard split. His first several steps in his breaks  creates separation. He plays at full speed and knows how to get to the football when he doesn't create separation. He has a big arsenal. When he gets to rookie camp his team is going to realize really fast it has a player   Makes plays.

11 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I would be disappointed if we took Cam Robinson but I don't think we will. FWIW, it's not because I think Cam is or will be a bad player; rather, it's because we took a LT high last year and he's certainly not even close to being my favorite OL in the first. I'd rather take Lamp way before Robinson. 

Lamp is so Freakin overrated it is mind boggling!! He could be a good pro but nothing remotely justifying NO.16 overall. The Zack Martin comparisons are delusional. He gets very little movement if any against quality opponents. Loses control of blocks in short order. He is not Yanda, Martin. I bought into his hype for a while. His Bama tape is ok nothing special that shouts round one pro bowl skill set

4 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Its not Lewis strength that concerns me, it's his high center of gravity. Don't know if he can ever be a powerful drive blocker for a man scheme. I would fully prefer cam at LG than RT

I agree not ideal but Osemele was a good drive blocker. If he gets stronger he can be at least a turn you off line kind of player. Harbaugh said he is getting stronger and growing into his frame  so we'll see

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

A lot of people hate the thought of cam as the pick, but try to imagine what that does... 

if cam pans out as a RT, then we would have possibly the most powerful drive blocking RT in the league. If Alex Lewis becomes RT and cam goes to LG, he is another KO type of guy, a ferocious mauler who annihilates guys off the line. 

Say john urschel is at least an average center, being sandwiched between cam and yanda makes a nasty interior and hides his deficiencies. 

Then when yanda retires in a few years we have a replacement beast of a mauling lineman.

I agree. I actually believe with coaching and smoothing out his bad habits he could be a really good left tackle eventually. But with Stanley on left tackle Cam would be our all pro mauling Right Tackle. Bisnowaty could maybe play center. Ravens would have a smashing line. I do believe Lewis will get stronger and be a top shelf guard. Ravens could enter season

Stanley Lewis Bisnowaty Yanda Robinson. 

Corey Davis!! Would be happy with FOSTER, Howard Njoku,Mike Williams.

not ideal but would like Lattimore,Humphrey Cook,Lawson/Tim Williams(I like Lawson/Williams a lot but would prefer round2 even if it means a trade up late round1 early round2. 

Tradeback I like Cam,Bolles,Njoku,Tim Williams,Carl Lawson,Humphrey,Ross, Lattimore, a big physical good tackling cornerback with instincts and ball skills to convert FS

Roger Godell is cloning Jake Butt for you in the event ravens don't draft him. Not only that you can run 2 TE sets featuring all Jake Butt's. Then there will be Jake Butt at fullback. Then several Jake Butts will be genetically altered to have a cannon arm to play QB. Then several Jake Butts will slim down to 223lbs and play WR.

There will even be Jake Butts on defense playing edge rusher and ilb. One jake Butt will be fattened up to play NT. Then one Jake will be slimmed down to 223 lbs again to play SS. Will you be happy with this draft now??

I guess we can talk about all dline here?? I really like DJ Jones. He is 6'1 320 lbs very stout and very athletic and explosive. He can eat blockers and penetrate all the same. At over 320 lbs his testing numbers are very similar to Jonathan Allen.

Although he can play nosetackle his best fit in my opinion is a penetrator. In which case he will be better served playing closer to 295-300lbs. His testing numbers would be off charts if he were more of the penetrator size. Probably a 4.8-4.9 40. And would jump through the roof. In which case he would be a round2/3 player. Because his combine numbers would really jump! Could be good replacement  Timmy Jernigan 

6 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

You did a nice job here and I like how you predicted Davis as our pick since I think it's a real possibility. Personally, I think our first pick is between WR Davis, OLB Chris Harris or a higher rated guy who slips, CB Humphrey or a higher rated guy who slips.  If Allen or Howard somehow fall, I can guarantee they will be Ravens. Other than that, I think it'll be one of those 3. Williams is a good pass rusher and I've been hard on him for his bad angles to the QB and leaving his lane of responsibility but he's fast and has shown commitment to getting better. I think it could be him, Watt, Rivers or Bowser as our second round pick unless we go OLB in the first. 

I like Bisnowaty, and the other picks are okay. It's hard to project those late round guys because those are usually small school colleges and obscure players or guys who fall further than they should. I wonder if King will be there but other than that it all makes sense and this is an especially good DB draft so he can fall through the cracks. 

The real question is whether we go after a top guy in a loaded class at that position, or whether we attack a top guy at a weak position group in hopes of gambling later.  I'd prefer to go after the best talent and not try to fill holes with mediocre talent. 

Like your post. Is that Charles Harris you mean? Don't get me wrong I like Charles Harris. But 16 is a little early for him I think. I would actually be in favor of trading up to early round2 late round1 for him "if"edge rushers begin coming off the board.  Like out of Lawson Williams Harris if 2 are gone by late round 1 I would be in favor of trading up to grab the remaining edge rusher after we land Davis/Foster/Howard/Njoku/in round one.

I know Cam is an option as well. He is Right Tackle only for now. However he has the skills to be a really good left tackle/All pro Right Tackle after some coaching and technique practice. He has athleticism balance power length but has many bad habits. But Davis is my favorite round1. Allen could seriously freefall. Not especially strong or explosive to be a dominant interior penetrator/edge rusher. If he were a lil bigger stronger with his athleticism level he could be great. Even lil more athletic and explosive at his size he would be a real top3 player. But as he stands now he could really struggle with NFL offensive line.

29 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think fosters just got too many incidents piled up. I think less of foster now than I thought of tunsil on draft night, because one guy seemed to always be surrounded by drama and the other seemed to always cause drama. 

 

Thanks brotha I appreciate that! Just a hobby and a bit of a passion of mine, loved football since I was a teenager and since I can't bust heads anymore this is how I've been able to stay in touch with it lol. 

Maybe I'll do one more if things change enough, if the rumors are all the same though there wouldn't be much point

All mocks are possible scenarios. So can always come up with one lol. Ever consider Bisnowaty as a center? He could be a mauling center with enough athleticism to pull and climb the next level. Harbaugh said in his interview Lewis is getting stronger and likes to challenge himself to get stronger. If he plays LG and Bisnowaty can play center. Then Lewis Yanda and Bisnowaty could be  a really awesome interior trio.

Just now, Jonah DeVito said:

Players like Adams and Hooker come around every decade? Really bro...do you see all the great safeties in the league rn?

Yes great safeties not really special first ballot hof safety's

If we want a great offensive line then how come we are letting quality and even great offensive lineman walk? All the while paying similar money to a one dimensional dime a dozen nose tackle. If management could do it again it would probably sign Osemele. Raiders run game excelled when he arrived. Even without top shelf RB.

I'm all for making an offensive line the priority. But not sure there is a one that can justify No.16 overall. Lamp is vastly overrated. And Cam has potential to be a pro bowl RT. But he needs coaching up and practice on his technique. I read about 6 weeks ago that Texans could trade Duane Brown. If that were true he would be an awesome line addition!

I would take Trade our round1 and round2 pick to get One of Adams/Hooker. Players like that come around every decade. There isn't anybody we could get that we couldn't replace in next draft.  Much like Ed Reed, Adams and Hooker are irreplaceable players. Especially Adams. If Baker were 6'0 he would be in the conversation. However he is a fabulous player with one weakness.Man up on big WRs/TE. I'm not rough on smaller DBs. If you can play football you are a game changer. Reed wasn't that big. Not was Polamolu and Sanders. This is a  Loaded Defensive back draft!!

Flex is a huge contributor to this board. Even when you don't always agree. He is fun to talk football with. So lets everybody do the opposite of the neg!! BTW Flex do one more mock on draft day!!

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

tim williams strikes me as a decent guy with a good head on his shoulders actually. he doesnt interview very well but he comes off as sincere and genuine. hes one of those guys that i think will be fine after a change of scenery. and this is a 180 im doing on him as well, because when i heard about the gun incident i wrote him off completely, i thought he was another rolando mcclain, but after seeing interviews of him i changed my tune.

What he is saying

10 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I knew you'd bring up Willis smh. 

I think bowser and rivers are serious contenders for our second, both seem to be rising and I like them both as natural 34 rushers. Basham in the third as well. But Tim Williams is undoubtedly my top guy

I agree. Don't need a Correa again coming out of nowhere to leap ideal rushers.

2 hours ago, Edgar said:

I see it as more likely Barnett is on the board than Corey Davis.

It will surprise me to see Tim Williams available mid two.

Round six I like a lot.

We could have to trade up a little to land Tim Williams. But he is definitely falling somewhat inexplicably. I imagine its firmer off field incidents, his size, his underrated run game skills and being a part time player. Many scouts seem to have him and Charles Harris pretty even as far as raw edge skills to coach up further. But Charles being more complete. He is out of Mayocks top5 which is reminiscent on a lot of scout feedback he receives.

I would take one of Williams Lawson Harris in early round2 I would prefer Williams/Lawson. But would be very happy with any of those edge rushers. Especially after landing Corey Davis in round 1. If it means trading a round4 maybe round 3 to move up 10 or so spots then so be it.  Landing a NO.1WR and speed rusher off the edge are the playmakers the ravens need. Although it would be ideal to not have to trade up. So that we could address cornerback and offensive line position in round3. 

40 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Just like no one should ever respond to him, but alas.....

Love it man. Those first four picks i think would be huge for both sides of the ball for us.  Ill check out the other guys as well.  I like how you went different routes then most.  I prefer Mwill over Davis but i would be more than happy considering the rest of the draft.  Hope you nailed it. 

Corey Davis and Tim Williams addresses the biggest holes holding us back. A playmaking no. 1 WR and an edge rusher that can jump into the backfield in a blink. A NO.1 receiver like Davis that can win at any level and a double digit edge  rusher and ravens are legit super bowl contenders. Maybe a cornerback and button up the offensive line with a good draft pick and signing from player cuts.

Maybe even trade a future draft pick for a veteran lineman. A lineman about to hit free agency whose team isn't going to pay. Similar to Jernigan situation. A round 3 pick next years draft should get us a very good offensive lineman. After Davis and Williams I would like to see ravens go offensive lineman cornerback and linebacker 

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Is litty Malik hooker? 

Heres the thing... I don't do mock drafts to try to land the guy I like most, I try to be as realistic as possible for all teams. I am 100% certain the ravens aren't trading up to 6 to take Malik hooker, so why the hell would I mock that? I didn't post this to appease morons such as yourself. 

2 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

doan buy the noteshon that you make your pics based on who you thing other teams will pic.  you set down ur pics an rate them by need or best available joey has some has some hes off on none of which matta to the ravens so per joey if tenissee takes cory davis we take who? projectin what otha teams will do jus doesn't even matta

I think u guys are misunderstanding what one is saying. Ray Ray I think is saying what is the point of projecting our rivals pick. If any one of them picks Davis then it destroys the most important mock which is the ravens. Joeyflex is trying to be as accurate as he can with the draft as a whole.

it is different from my mocks. I post picks that I would like to see the ravens get. While being realistically in the ravens grasp. Makes mocks more fun in my opinion.Moton and Dawkins are heating up. If you guys are referring to Malik Hooker. He is one of the rare, players I would trade up for. His potential is off the charts. He has better instincts than Earl Thomas. He could be similar to Ed Reed. An explosive free safety that can lay wood when needed. I would be in favor trading up for Adams as well

Like your early picks a lot. Looking forward talent at offensive line in later rounds is like looking for your contact lens in an ocean. I'm not a huge Elflein fan. I don't hate'em but not a fan really.

I like the later picks. Barnett is the kinda player that will be productive but leaves you wanting more. Touch above average that Some Fans will try to pimp out as a successful draft pick. Not a perennial double digit sack player off the edge. Not the player offenses worry to much about. I really do root for him because of his character and effort. But not the game changer NFL level.

Not a chance in hell Solomon Thomas gets by Carolina.

8 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Sorry for the late response. But no... Just no.

 

1. Zachary Orr was far and away the most overrated defensive player on the team last year. I know that everyone here loved him, but as @-Truth- and @BmoreBird22 pointed out, Orr got a ton of those tackles because Mosely ate the blockers and allowed Orr to run free. Orr was a decent ILB, but my god was maybe the most undeserving all pro I've ever seen. If there's on thing that pisses me off more than the Jernigan trade, it's the fans who say that CJ Mosely is "just another guy", and Orr had a better season. Nope. When Orr was thrusted into the #1 ILB spot because of CJ's injury, he struggled mightily. There's no surprise why. CJ made the defense work. He's our biggest asset going forward and there's no question about it. He's gonna be a Raven for life. 

 

2. There is no way in hell we would have gotten anything less than a fourth rounder from Jernigan comp pick wise. Even with his inconsistencies, a player with his talent would easily command $6.5 million on the open market. Which btw, given that our cap situation is significantly better next season, we could have easily afforded to keep him. That obviously wasn't in our plans(which is foolish and I'll explain why in the next point), but the return absolutely SUCKED. If we had traded him outright for that Eagles third rounder and not given up our own pick, you would hear 0 complaints from me and I'm a huge Jernigan fan. In my eyes, that'd be a solid trade.

 

3. Sorry. But we picked the wrong guy. Timmy Jernigan was an inconsistent pass rusher, but was a consistently excellent run defender who fit the defense well and was young. I'd rather have a guy who is very inconsistent as a pass rusher like Jernigan, but when he's hot he turns it on, then a guy who only plays 80% of the snaps. Given that the nfl has evolved into more of a passing league, Jernigan's ability to play three downs makes him, at least in my eyes, a more valuable commodity. I know he flat out dissapeared at times, but it's not like he was getting any help either. If we had more of a pass rush, I think we would have seen more pressures and sacks from the man. He's not an all pro, he's not even a pro bowler. But finding a defensive lineman who can rush the passer at a decent level is harder than most people think. And we just traded away our proven/best guy. For pennies on the dollar. 

 

4. Finally, the returns are idiotic. Timmy Jernigan playing next to two very good pass rusher is probably gonna have a season where he gets 6-8, possibly 10 sacks. The Eagles would probably be inclined to sign him again afterwards, for a sizeable contract but one that'd be well deserved, and they suddenly have one of the better defensive tackle tandems in the league, and they basically gave up nothing to get him. I don't give a damn if he is inconsistent, trading up 20 spots and giving away your best pass rusher, even if he is a locker room problem, is a HORRIBLE return. It literally makes no sense from a logical standpoint. The Eagles paid pennies for a dude who as a total package is an above average player, and they move down and still get to keep a pick in the round. I can personally guarentee you that Timmy, especially as a proven commodity thus far, is going to be better than at least 90% of the players drafted in the third round this year. 

 

I could go on and on about why this trade was totally and utterly idiotic, but honestly, it's post 4/20 in the state of Colorado. I'm going to bed lol

1 hour ago, -Truth- said:

I'm on board with most points, especially one, two and four. 

I'm on board as well but with all points pretty much. Point 3 being I don't care what percentage of plays Jernigan and Williams was in on. Fact remains Jernigan is more available and effective on more plays. Williams Impotent rushing the QB. For those that need to catch up on the this century I'll give you a crash course. It is a throwing league by far.  

Williams is a one dimensional block eater. He can't rush the QB. Out of all the players lost I can't believe he is the player management decides to pony up for!! All this nonsense he is a top3 runstuffing nose tackle. He is however how many teams employ or even want a one dimensional nose tackle. Teams have NT's that could be really good riding the bench. Because of their ineffectiveness rushing the QB. Even teams that run the 3-4 alignments prefer 3 stout lineman athletic enough across the board to rush the QB.

So Williams is top3 of about 7 one dimensional run stuffers. Williams is very replaceable. If a Jernigan was traded for peanuts imagine what ravens could pick up a run stuffer for. When Wilfork(who could rush when he was younger) got injured patriots picked up a NT for a late round pick. Even if Jernigan is inconsistent. He is more functional rushing the QB than Williams is. And his inconsistency could be a result of not liking the scheme and his role in it

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Seems to me only one person here dislikes Barnett, and all but like 2 or 3 more people have a straight up love affair with the guy.

Grim isn't sold on Barnett as well. And is not sure he will convert to NFL so well. Everybody should pump the brakes on Lamp. He will be a functional player but this Yanda/Zack Martin comparisons are out of touch! His Bama tape was ok at best. He failed to get any movement and didn't hold blocks on Anderson/Allen. Bolles turns opponents off the ball far better even when weighing below 300lbs. And at a far better level/competition

2 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Title confusing? Let me explain

In this mock draft I'm switching up the format. I'm going to include two options per pick. A best case, and a worst case(and unfortunately likely for some of them). 

 

Oh, and rather than post pictures of the prospect, I'm just gonna post pictures of Jake Butt. Regardless of who the pick is. Cause let's face it, Jake Butt would be the best case scenario for every round.

 

 

Round One: 

 

 

 

Best Case Scenario: Derek Barnett: If Barnett falls to us... We are blessed. #BLESSED infact Again, don't let the combine fool you. He's fast on the field, knows how to use his hands, and would instantly upgrade the pass rush for us. I love me some Forest Lamp, I love me some Mike Williams, and even Ryan Ramcyzk. But Barnett would be too good for me to pass up. 

 

 

Worst Case Scenario: Cam Robinson: LISTEN UP OZZIE(Even though the fans have no merit). 

Ozzie, I swear to god, if you take Cam Robinson I will say this: YOU WILL BE DEAD TO ME. Especially since I know for a fact, that if Lamp, Ramzcyk, and others are on the board, and Robinson is too, you'll probably take him because of your crimson colored glasses. Robinson would be a HORRIBLE pick if those two are on the board, and I know we like him. Not to mention, you won't take Tunsil because of drug issues, but then Robinson has the same problem but you'll make an exception for him because of freaking Alabama. Not saying that Alabama has bad prospects in this draft, in fact this is the only Bama prospect I'd dislike entirely. 

 

But screw it. We all know you're gonna take him. He's Michael Oher 2.0. No thank you. 

 

 

 

Round Two: 

 

 

Look. Stickers. He'd clearly fit in here

 

 

 

Best Case: Rueban Foster. 

"But Lost, I thought you hate Bama players", I don't. I think they can be overhyped. But overall Bama is putting out a good class this year. Foster will likely not fall here even with his recent drug test, but if he takes a Jernigan tumble, I think we should pull the trigger. This dude is super talented and he and Mosely together would make a hell of a tandem. To put it into prespective: I'd like it if we took Foster IN THE FIRST ROUND. 

 

 

Worst Case: D'Onta Foreman     

I actually really like Foreman as a prospect.. But any RB early when we have much more pressing needs. 

 

Round Three1

Best Case Scenario: Sidney Jones- Again, might not fall here, but if he does even with his injury he'd be too good to pass up. A potential starter going forward and having Carr gives us flexibility to make us wait this long. 

Worst Case: Ethan Pocic- Sami84 would be happy we took an LSU player. I'd be freaking pissed off with this pick. I think Pocic isn't a starter in this league. He's physically gifted, but he's not that good of a center. His height worries me to be totally honest and he might lose many battles on the lines because of it. Unfortuneately, I think with the whole "bigger and stronger" thing he's a realistic possibility. 

 

Round Three2

Best Case Scenario: Jake Butt

 

Worst Case: A TE not named Jake Butt

 

Let's get this BS out of the freaking way. THERE IS NO HARBAUGH CONNECTION. Last season was the first time we've ever taken a player from one of Jim's schools. We didn't draft any stanford players during his tenure there, and last season was the first we took a Michigan guy. 

 

That said, if we don't take Jake Butt. I will die of sadness. IDC if I like others TES after him. I think he's an ideal fit on the team, and he'd fit in right away.... once he got healthy

Round: Four

BC:  Damonte Kazee

WC: Tyler Orlosky

 

You all know my thoughts on Kazee. But Orlosky is another pick that would be horrible. This oline class is terrible and Orlosky's tape... Sucked. There's no other way to put it. I hope we take a center earlier, but I'm having my doubts. 

AHHHHH. Okay. So from this point on the BC/WC format is really hard. So I'm going back to normal

Round Five: Erik Mangunson, OT Michigan

Same exact logic as the McDermott pick last time. Just a different player. I tihnk that with some coaching Magnuson could be a good pro. 

 

 

Round Six: Jaylen Brown, ILB, UCLA

Brown fills a need late in the draft with a guy who is a good coverage linebacker. He'd be nothing more than a rotaitonal guy, but a valuable one, and someone I could trust.

 

 

Anyway, my next mock will be next week, and my final mock will be after the draft. Hope y'all liked it. Or not. either way screw you if you did not. 

 

 

I like Jake Butt and I cannot lie

 

 

I like Jake Butt a lot to. But why the fascination with him??