PurpleHorseman

So what is NFL game pass??

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yes, its the current market, but it wasn't the market last season. I definitely wouldn't have paid him $10M to play Guard, because its borderline impossible to get that kind of ROI, especially when we already have a highly paid Guard on the roster who's arguably better than he is.

Would also be difficult to pay him that as a LT without knowing if he's any good at being a LT, which is the only thing we were offering him a contract for.

Even now, KO is still like 15-20% higher than what comparable Guards are getting.

I would agree with 4 yrs 40mil because that is the market. But I did not agree with 12million at the time. However with harbaugh saying the offensive line is top priority. The resources to replace Osemele and build an elite line could get quite expensive. considering money and draft picks. Look at the resources spent at TE. And there is yet no clear answer that we know will win the job.

40 minutes ago, billiejean said:

Do you have NFL game pass?

What is that 

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. If the Ravens offered KO $7.5M a year (which I believe it was a little bit more than this), it still would have been a valid offer, considering we were making him an offer to play LT, not LG. There was no scenario where we were retaining KO to play LG for us.

At $7.5M, it would have paid him to be in the top half of the league as a LT, which would have been valid, given that he played a very small amount of time at LT and was largely average at it.

2. Your market comparisons are a bit off. For starters, Mankins contract (signed in 2011) was for $8.5M/year, and Carl Nicks was at $9.5M/year back in 2012.

The problem is that the CURRENT market conditions wouldn't support those numbers. At the time that KO signed his deal (last year), the highest paid Guard in football was Mike Iupati, at $8M a year. While there are now a handful of players making more than that, ALL of them signed last season as well (Kyle Long, David DeCastro mostly).

So at that time, the top of the market price for a top tier Guard was probably in the range of $8-9M, given that Iupati's deal was for $8M and was just a year old at the time, so even with inflation, you couldn't really argue going over $9M.

Obviously, the Raiders just decided to destroy the market by offering what they did, due to the gigantic amount of money they had available to spend and being able to keep him for a few years until they can no longer afford to.

Again, we don't know for certain what the Ravens offer to KO was, but the price tag between an average LT and a top tier Guard was practically the same, likely in the $8-9M range. So if we offered in that range, which I suspect we did, then I have no issue with our stance.

If all those players signed last year then that is the current market. Not saying. We should have given him $11.5million or even $10million. But that is the market for an elite Guard. Especially when proven to be able to play left tackle at a high level if needed. It will be interesting to see what kevin Zeitler gets next week.

23 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

We offered KO money that would make him top 5, i think it might of been top 3 at his position.  Since the Raiders are going to move him to LT AND have the cap money to pay him as such, it makes perfect sense for them.  We didnt have the cap room to do so.   7.5 would of made him second highest paid....I still cant see that as disrespectful.  The guys you mentioned are FA so it doesnt really matter what they previously got as the market value is dictated by what players are getting pad at this moment. 

I like Zeitler but i would rather see us sign Wagner and Mangold.  Having Stanley - Lewis - Mangold - Yanda - Wagner would make me very happy and i think we would see our offense finally take a step in the right direction.  Are you suggesting letting Wagner walk, move Lewis to RT and sign Zeitler?

Of course I would allow Wagner to walk to sign Zeitler for the same money. Wagner is a little above average and struggles at times. I like Mangold but we don't know if he will bounce back or if he actually declined. I think Lewis can handle RT as well as Wagner. He is similar to Mitchell Schwartz. Maybe a touch more athletic. He has a superior understanding of angles and blocking giving hanging up his opponent. Lewis was unfairly grilled by scouts for his fight. After some experience I think Lewis is as good maybe better than Wagner.

7.5 is very disrespectful next to $10million. It is paying somebody 75% of what he is worth. Contracts are not guaranteed in football. Players only hit free agency in their prime once. Then we don't know how much was guaranteed. Teams throw big numbers out there but those total numbers are rarely reached.

11 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Yea, making him a top 5 paid G in the league, how disrespectful. 

What was the offer to Osemele? Anybody know Wagner's offer? If Osemele was offered $7.5million per year I could see that as disrespectful. Logan Mankins got about $10million a year. As did Carl Nicks. Take into consideration salaries escalate.  At least $2 million per year less than Logan Mankins got 5 years ago could be taken as a lowball. Especially when he may have been retained as our left tackle.

  That and I think Osemele was comparing himself to Lane Johnson. An unusually long non LT who is projected to be a really good one when he eventually takes the position. It will be interesting to see what Zeitler gets. His contract will give some indication if anything less than $10million per year is a lowball for an all pro guard. Or if Osemele's perceived low ball offer is based on left tackle/Lane Johnson money. Maybe $10million and over is the new standard for a pro bowl guard. 

  Nonetheless letting Osemele walk turned out to be a good thing. The best tackles in the last 10 drafts were coming out. And ravens got one of them. Speaking of Zeitler if we can get him for about $8million per year that is in upgrade of our line. Osemele is longer than Zeitler but Zeitler is a more aware player of stunts and blitzes along the interior. He is very good for zone or power schemes. And could probably play center if necessary. 

  So with Stanley and Tunsil coming out there was no need to pay Osemele. And I wouldn't discount landing Zeitler. Harbaugh said upgrading the line is priority. Stanley and Zeitler makes for a hell of a left side of the line. Lewis can play RT or RG. Which  means if ravens draft a good RT or RG we successfully upgraded the offensive line without breaking the bank for Osemele. Nor overpay for a solid but not elite RT. If Lewis can play RT the offensive line could be really awesome if we draft Feeney or Robinson to play RG. Ravens will have built a great line even after Yanda retires without paying Osemele over $10million or overpay Wagner. I think Yanda can play center if need be. He is a savvy vet. And Center calls for more cerebral capacity and less physical as Yanda gets older.

2 hours ago, stuckonaboat13 said:

I'd take Charles on a little more than a Vet Minimum prove it deal. The others simply aren't worth it

At Charles' age and recent injuries. I would prefer Ken Dixon get that opportunity. Younger stronger and probably more explosive than Charles at this juncture of his career. Dixon needs to be given oppurtunities.

DJ Jones. Strong ,well balanced, flexible fast interior penetrator that is big and strong enough to play NT if needed. At NFL level he will need to pick a position to be most successful. NT or playmaker. He is a touch heavy for penetrating playmaker at 6'1 322. So he may want to get closer to 300 for that role. But we may need him at NT if we lose Williams. In that case he will be a very athletic and explosive NT. An absolute steal in round 4 if he is available.

I have an RV. Scrap the school bus idea. By time you do work and put money into it to live in you can find an older but modernized RV for not much more. Search over a broad area and give it time for a deal to surface. Be willing to drive several hours for the right deal. If you have to drive 500 miles or so then so be it. You can get loans on them like a house or car. What kind of cars have you built over the years?

6 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I can definitely see the Saints falling in love with Barnett. More worried about them taking him than anyone else.

I'm sort of hoping that the Safeties, RB's, WR's and a couple QBs all get taking ahead of us. Wouldnt be disappointed if a Hooker/Adams, Williams/Davis or even a Fournette/Cook fell to us and ended up being the pick... but I think if Solomon Thomas is there for the Saints that's who they take. And, im fairly confident if Barnett gets passed the Saints he falls to us.

 

It's sad but a little part of me almost wants someone to take Barnett, bc if hes on the board and we go with someone else (at least where my mind is right now) I'll be upset about it and itll make me not like our pick as much. And I really, really want to like our pick and be happy after the 1st round,

Which player would you like to see fall that has a realistic shot of falling to No. 16. As in odds are he doesn't fall to 16 but could?

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Because I see him mocked there often. I haven't done so much as looked at a scouting report on the guy because I've seen him mocked in the first often and I don't want a DL first so I don't even bother lol

Forgive me for this. I would favor a DT if there was one deserving of being selected #16 overall. However it would have to be one that puts heat on the QB. Not a space eating NT unless he is a double digit sack artist as well. Pressure up the middle is so underrated. Probably because there are very little sack artists at DT. Not the variety that gets as many sacks as  edge rushers usually do

57 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

And: Ravens safety Matt Elam arrested after police find 126 grams of Marijuana and 3 grams of Oxycodone

Cap space

40 minutes ago, BMORE21 said:

heard one of our players got arrested, dont know who though 

Hopefully a player we were going to cut anyways. Maybe it was minor.

On 2/24/2017 at 0:24 PM, rmw10 said:

The savings always look enticing on Wallace, but my line of thinking has always been that you're going to have to get someone else, and are you really going to get anything better for what you saved?  Probably not.  As you mentioned, Wallace certainly has his downfalls, but we don't live in the FA periods anymore where you can get guys like Edelman and Sanders for around $5M.

Actually you can get deals like Edelman and Sanders. Those guys were deals because teams took leaps of faith and trusted their system and the players skills and potential. Edelman was coming off 100 catches but barely 1000 yards and was thought to be a short limited slot who was a product of Brady.

Sanders oddly never connected with Ben. And never got proper opportunity. His contract with the broncos was quite generous for a receiver that never really produced. Even when he was given a franchise QB and an elite WR to take coverage off him.

He never really produced. But Elway trusted the scouting of his skills. And trusted his system to coach and integrate him into the system successfully. To be a far more productive player than he ever shown.

This is a platinum example of how the ravens should treat Free Agency. Ravens should trust our system because it is one of the best. We have a very disciplined system with a head coach that demands excellence. And very bright and capable position coaches that coaches players up . And  commands hard work and discipline from the young players. 

19 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Bosa still doesn't have great bend, some players can succeed without it, bosa is an absolute freak and can manhandle his way to the qb, he has shown an average bend for a guy his size at times, but an average bend at 6'7" means he's still easily hemmed up, bosa is just too powerful for that though. I don't think takk has the same qualities. I'll check out the Rutgers game and see where he bends. I also disliked Charles Harris' bend until I saw the vandy tape and saw that he's certainly capable of it, I just haven't seen it from takk yet.

takk is a prospect I wanna like, I love the way he eats up space and I love how nasty he finishes plays, but more than his rawness I feel he's stiff, he has so many times just been at a complete loss as soon as the OT gets in arms reach.

Bosa is 6'5 And Charlton is 6'6. Bosa was supposed to have below average bend because he didn't show it(much). But he actually has slightly above average bend when he actually needs it. We are confident Charlton can drop into coverage at 280lbs. That's freakish.

Speaking of Takk I like him. I don't remember where but he bent very well on numerous occasions. He recovered very well on numerous occasions and broke free when a mammoth OT got his hands on him and tried to ride him out of the play. He showed impressive flexibility to break free and finish the play. It is early in draft season. Takes time sometimes to get to the right games to find what you are looking for. Takk isn't my favorite at 16 but I would like the pick.

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I would also say, other than Ohio St and Florida st, Rutgers. Now I know Rutgers is awful but he shows athleticism, get off and bend. A guy 6'6 shouldn't be able to move that well

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Do you have examples of him showing his bend? Because I have yet to see it and I've studied multiple games. His stiffness is the thing that concerns me the most

Be careful when judging stiffness. When you see a guy not bending much doesn't mean he can't do it. Joey Bosa was supposed to be a bust because of stiffness. Sometimes a player (like Bosa) subtly shows flexibility and desired traits. As for Plays that Charlton shows it I have to watch it again. Chandler Jones only flashed it himself at Syracuse. It took a while to see it and for his stock to heat up. Watch Charltons Ohio St. and orange bowl game it will eventually show up.

24 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I didn't like Taco as much as others. I def don't see top 10. 

Garret, Barnett, Takk and Harris are all firmly ahead of him for me. In fairness I've got more studying to do having only watched highlights and 2-3 games on each, so it could change. 

But I didn't see much nuance to his game. Not much bend, takes wide angles too often, a lot of his production seemed to come on designed stunts or delayed blitzes or broken plays. So far I've seen a guy dominating with athleticism and not much else. 

I'll watch more on him though. I soured on him quickly and watched with a bit of a bias from then on.

Any recommendation on a certain game or games that you think best reflect his upside?

Ohio State game and orange bowl. I'll be first to say he has to clean some things up in his game. But the upside is speechless. He bends and flattens like a much smaller LB when he isn't sloppy. Big time closing burst and even his ordinary  tackles leave ball carrier hurting. He looks like a bigger stronger More explosive Chandler Jones.

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

Where is this coming from?  I haven't heard anything about his psyche problems in a long time and heard he has been great in the locker room in NY.  Have any links? he would be a great addition to this team. 

Maybe he is better in the locker room now. But he is still an opinionated locker room lawyer even if he is not quite as much trouble. Harbaugh doesn't like opinionated locker room guys from everything I read. At his age we would not be getting the Brandon Marshall you know of. I would prefer Jeremy Maclin if he the chiefs cut him. He would be a seam stretcher that can run routes to. Ravens never gave one of those to Joe. He could really help Joe fulfill his potential. 

7 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

So I'm like 90% certain Brandon Marshall will be a Raven based on our front office's recent comments 

I hope not. He was so talented yet nobody kept him with his psychological problems. Now he is 33 and hasn't matured yet. Which says his problems are not young guy maturity issues but a genuine personality problem. I could deal with him when he was 28-30 and one of the best but at 33 and same issues no thanks. I would prefer Robert Woods or even Michael Floyd. At least his was a DWI that he can get over once he serves time.

26 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

If we cant retain one of them ill understand, but if we lose both I will be absolutely disappointed.  IMO, I think Wagner is more valuable, this turnover rate on the OL is killer and have been struggling at the C position since Birk left.  I was all about paying Mack the money he got, Stanley-Lewis-Mack-Yanda-Wagner....damn id be happy.  I am normally a defensive minded person, but if we can really build the OL, that will improve the run game along with giving Joe the time needed. Bringing in Zeitler I would be happy about as well.  Im unsure if Lewis can handle RT duties

We definitely have some holes to fill, but I think the OL is most important. 

I to would like Zeitler. I think Lewis can handle RT. I don't think we can afford Signing Wagner and Zeitler. Lewis is fairly athletic and technically sound. Very similar to Mitchell Schwartz. I don't think we can but if ravens could sign Wagner and Zeitler it would set our offensive line. Ravens line would be top3. With Yanda, Stanley and Zeitler one of the best at their positions respectively. Stanley should be one of the better LT's in the NFL. 

On 2/3/2017 at 7:40 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Thoughts on Curtis Samuel as a raven in the 2nd? I really like him and would love the idea of having a starting caliber RB(or at least a 3DB) who is also a starting caliber wr. 

I just don't know if we are creative enough for that or if that fits the identity were supposedly trying to build. I mean if we want a big strong OL and wanna play tough then I think some deception goes a long way, if we want a power run game then having Samuel and juice in the backfield together is enticing, it always appears we wanna run power plays but then BOTH break off routes downfield and catch the ball very well. 

I don't think it fits Marty's style of offense but I think Greg roman could have some success with this kind of philosophy

If he is good enough at everything there will not be a need for creativity. He will make plays. The question is can he carry the ball 250 times a year? We all know he will be a very good receiver out of the backfield. But is he a good and durable enough Runner to be a real dual threat. I think we have that in Dixon. He is a tough runner and we have not received his immense rewards in the reviving game yet.  We have not yet peaked at all his cards.

He is tough elusive and competitive. Dixon is working to get faster. He was a little surprised and embarrassed at his 4.58 40(although very good for a RB). He insisted he is a sub 4.5 runner. And wants to play up to it.

55 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

I could be wrong about this, but since Easley was a first round pick, then wouldn't it require giving up a second round pick no matter what? Because (a) if he gets a Round 1 tender, then the Ravens would have to give up their Round 1 pick, (b) if he gets a Round 2 tender, then the Ravens would have to give up their Round 2 pick, and (c) if he gets the lowest tender, the Ravens would need to give up their Round 2 pick (because Easley was a Round 1 pick originally, and compensation for the lowest tender is based off of the original draft position- with a Round 2 pick being the highest that is possible). 

I think Easley is good, but is the extra cap burden and loss of a Round 1 or 2 pick worth it?

I read that he carried round 7 tender. I wouldn't give up an early round pick for him. I would say a round4 pick and beyond would be a bargain for his skills and potential. Maybe even a round 3. I think this guy is waiting to erupt. Not many interior penetrators can make Aaron Donald look slow. When I flicked on the rams game I thought I was watching Aaron Donald. He jumped into the backfield off the snap in a blink every play. I was surprised to see it wasn't Donald.

  I don't think he will carry a huge price tag with his injury history and quarrel with Bellichick in New England. But his acl is back to full strength. His quarrel with the patriot organization was his own Dr. and rehab Doctor and trainer gave him different protocol from the teams. His rehab doc told him the teams doctor and trainers were wrong. And if he wanted to be 100% and great to not listen to them. Of course that caused problems with Bill. I read it on patriots pulpit when googling why he was released after I saw how disruptive he is. From what I saw he probably did the right thing. Because he looked great. He is very explosive and disruptive. 

  He was pff's #1 ranked interior rusher on a per snap basis on productivity. With more snaps on a more disciplined ravens defense he could be one of the greats in the game.  Like I said he looked more explosive and disruptive than Aaron Donald playing next to him. To get a player of Aaron Donald's caliber much less better at what he will cost at this juncture would be a steal. I would sign him to a 2 year deal at about $8/9 million. It would be unpleasant if we signed him to a one year deal and he is named all pro and hit free agency on us.

I like Moreau better than Humphrey. Ravens could go that direction at 16 but I hope not. I wish you would of thought more positive about that.lol I really like Reddick and Moton. Excellent Awesome picks if those guys are there. 

I do like Rogers but not as much as JuJu as of yet like you and the goofy genius do. JuJu is one of my favorite players in college. But Rogers is a steal in round 5. 

Reddick would be an incredible steal in round 2. He would actually be an upgrade if we use him at ilb. Moton is a move you off the ball guard with enough functional athleticism to excel at guard and play RT if needed.

I like the Jones pick. Solid NFL player there. I don't care much for Carl Davis nor Henry. HOWEVER....  Ogunjobi is my pick for steal of the draft!!! One of my favorite players in this draft. I like him better than Rankins. He plays with Grady Jarrett bend and balance but a little more explosive and long speed than Grady. Kinda like a Geno Atkins but not quite as powerful as Geno. Slightly better balance than Geno however. Wouldn't surprise me if he is a better player than Jonathan Allen. I know that sounds nuts.

2 hours ago, jboy19 said:

Easley is an RFA, so the FO would need to give up a pick to sign him assuming the Rams tender him.  

Correct. It was a round7 tender before. If he is tendered again that would be a very small price for such a impact potential breakout player. On a per snap basis he was #1 of all interior lineman for rush productivity with a load of pressures. If ravens got him conditioned for larger number of snaps as a primary tackle in our system; Then he could be one of best defensive players in the league. His run game production was very good as well.

Putting him in a mix with Mosley, Judon,Jernigan and a couple new Young impact players on defensive side of the ball. The defense could dominate again. Add in a Taco Charlton and Hassan Reddick  or a Tim Williams and Cunningham. Actually any combination of those rookies with Easley added to the mix would make ravens defense destructive again.

3 hours ago, GENIUSofFF said:

I agree Rodgers is going to be a better NFL player. Juju is hyped but Rogers is more impressive and has better traits

At this juncture I think you guys are crazy. I really like JuJu. He plays physical on contested catches and separates better than given credit for. Good runner after the catch. He is far better than Treadwell could ever dream. My opinion could change but I really like juju