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8 minutes ago, Italian Raven said:

 

I guess people will take your 'like' for 'is a better player'.

He has a ton of moves and he's been criminally underrated so far so as you say, he's not hard to like and hopefully he'll be picked where he deserves to.

That is exactly what i mean. He is a player we can actually get. I like him a lot. Part of it is he is so criminally underrated. He turns the corner so low and tight and looks so strong doing it. I don't know about Garrett but I would take him well before Barnett.

22 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

I have to disagree entirely. Everytime I watch Kelly I see a guy staring down receivers and accuracy that is very inconsistent. When I was watching Damore'ea Stringfellow, one of my main takaways was that he was open far more often than he was targeted, if you sit down and just list how many times he just flat out misses an open receiver because he decided where he was going pre-snap then you'll have a pretty decently sized list by the time you're done.

Also, if a guy keeps getting into trouble even though he keeps getting caught and punished...then he's flat out stupid. There is no indication that any coach can bring him under control, he keeps shooting himself in the foot and has never shown any indication that he's learned anything. He doesn't skip practices, I'd say it's worse than just skipping, skipping indicates laziness, constantly being punished for breaking the rules indicates an idiot. If I were to compare him to QBs I'd tentatively give him a mixture of Mallet and Manziel. The guy has arm talent, no one will deny that much, but he's got an attitude that dates back far, either he doesn't want to change that or he doesn't even see it as a problem, either way i'll pass.

Like I said we will wait for his pro day. And see if he isn't accurate. As for missing open receivers? Brady even said he kicks himself after games because of all the open receivers he missed being open. So when you are in the pocket under a rush it happens. But he has smarts and instincts to get better. As did Steve Young and Brett Favre

20 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Wilson, Carr, and Jimmy G?  Sure, let's pick 3 completely unalike QBs and compare another QB that's nothing like any of them.

Garappolo and Carr have very similar skill sets. Tell us all how different their skills are. And Chad Kelly is a little more athletic than Carr and Garappolo. He is a legit TD threat when he has to run. So his armstrength, tight release mixed with athleticism is closer to Russel Wilson in that aspect.

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Tools are there to be that type of guy but he's as inconsistent as he gets... thus, Ryan Mallett.

He is not inaccurate nor inconsistent. He forces some throws because of his confidence in  armstrength and accuracy but who doesn't. I will give you this. He is kind of an uncoached wild stallion. Very much like a young Steve Young and Brett Favre. But he is far from stupid. But when a good coach begins to mold him he has everything you look for in a QB including intelligence. It's not like he skips practices like Ryan Mallet. He will have no problem downloading a complicated playbook. We will look for his pro day. If I were to compare him to a current QBs I would say Russel Wilson,Derek Carr, Garoppolo

Just now, rmw10 said:

Lol no he's got tons of things wrong with his game.  He has moments where he looks like a superstar, but for the most part, he struggles.  He has a huge arm so I get the appeal, but the accuracy is missing as well as something in between the ears.  His decision making is bad.  I actually liked him as a developmental guy before all of the off-field stuff, but to treat him like a sure thing.... ha!

If you have all22 watch him. Scouts are grilling his skills because of his attitude. It happens. He threw some picks over being confident in his arm skills like an Aaron Rogers. Very little to do with accuracy problems. Sometimes he is off like all QBs but not like scouts are saying. Look at his stats it's not like he has big int problems. Wait til his pro day when you see him throw then tell me he isn't pinpoint accurate. He would have surprised everybody at the combine. But he will put on a show at his pro day.

27 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Man, Lawson was all business today. He has seriously shot up the boards, awesome showing.

I like Lawson. I like him better than Garrett. Not a chance of him slipping under radar and being there in round2. Have to get this guy at 16. He is the Khalil Mack that we missed.

28 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Chad Kelly is Ryan Mallett with even more off-field concerns.

Not even close. He is a fiery competitor, leader and athletic. His release is clean like Carr. Nothing like Ryan Mallet. His confrontation was overblown and didn't tell complete incident. His brother was being kicked while down and trying to tear his helmet off when he ran to the sideline where it was all taken place. SI did a write up about it.

I really wanted to see Chad Kelly throw and run. I do believe he is the most skilled QB in this draft. Should Joe get injured again and maybe even retire at a younger age than most QBs. We would be fine at QB with Chad. Ogunjobi e expected 4.8 range but he is sub5. He and DJ Jones have legit opportunity to be better than Allen. I know it sounds crazy lol

2 minutes ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Soloman Thomas is looking amazing 

I want Solomon Thomas or Lawson at 16. Maybe Takk as a constellation prize. But Thomas and Lawson are trophies. Then trade back into round1 for Reddick. He will be a weapon blitzing from the inside with rare range and coverage skills. Then sign Dominique Easley in Free Agency and that fast the ravens front7 is Explosive with attitude again that will intimidate opposing teams. With Easley Jernigan Mosley and Reddick pressuring up the middle. And Lawson and Judon closing from the edge.  Mosley and Reddick have speed and cover range of safety's which will help the secondary. In one off-season ravens defense is the most ferocious in the NFL again

35 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

man haason reddick just went 4.52 

He is going top20 promise

I thought DJ Jones would run sub 5 at over 320lbs. I'm kinda happy he didnt. He would probably go in round2 then. I'm hoping we can get him round3. He could very well be better than Williams if we lose him. He will show Davis how a 320lb player should play! He can play NT  and disruptor/penetrator. This is a rare player and so far is very very underrated.

11 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Glad that Juju ran a sub 4.55. Really still love this guy even though he lost a lot of steam during the season.

I like JuJu. He ran 4.52 and plays fast. He never hears down. He snatches in stride and runs with purpose after the catch. One of my favorite players in this draft. He the burst and fluid shiftiness to get open intermediate. He plays like a young Bolden. When he puts the pads on he runs his 4.52 in pads. I would like to pick him up round2 maybe3. He would be a steal if we land him in round3. He can get us the first downs in chunks. His play style is reminiscent of many players. Boldin maybe even a bigger stronger more explosive Jarvis Landry. One of the players I will root for to play well even if we don't draft.

4 minutes ago, billiejean said:

Yea out of all of those quarterback I think Mallet would give him his biggest challenge.  Are there any intriguing QB prospects later in the draft.  

With all that said lol I was only trying to say if Joe is completely terrible anybody could push him. With that said if we make Joe priority and protect him with that elite line Harbaugh was speaking of. Then Joe is a top5 QB and could push for league MVP.  No coincidence when McKinney was nailing down left tackle with his best play later in his career. And the best tandem of guards. Joe was elite and next to a flawless QB.

i like Chad Kelly. Laser accurate arm. Reads progressions really fast especially for somebody relatively uncoached. Supreme confidence in his arm and with good reason. He completes passes no QB in this class would even attempt. Sure he has some off field problems. But mostly boy stuff. No DV for sure. His teammates say he is a great teammate and tough leader. If stars lined up correctly and he played in a good system with a good coach. While keeping out of all trouble. He could easily be in the running for No.1 pick. He has legit athleticism to take it the distance. And he could be grabbed in mid to later rounds say round 4-6 maybe.

35 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I highly doubt teams just figured out its important to build an oline because of Dallas and Oakland's OL

Of course not now figuring it out! However it could cause teams to place higher value on the offensive line including RT. Whereas RT usually rides in the back seat. He Could be riding shotgun this offseason. Hard to say if Wagner sets a new standard for RT only players. But the potential is definitely there. No different than impulse shopping. You see something somebody else has and you suddenly want it regardless of the price tag. Don't be surprised if Wagner gets $8-9 million/annually 

I said IF Joe lays an egg. Almost anybody could push him. Look at Glennon's numbers on a terrible team looking for offensive line help. He has potential. So yes it is something you said. If Joe lays an egg and has his most shameful season yet, Mallet would be pushing him. You can forget Glennon or McCarron. Play poorly enough don't care who the backup is!

34 minutes ago, billiejean said:

The only thing that you have said here which would counter my predictions for this offseason is the bit about Kizer and Mahomes.  Are you suggesting we will draft one of those guys.  They will go in the first 3 rounds and thats not going to happen.  I don't understand how we would bring them in after this year if we didn't draft them. Would we trade for them or are you saying that we would draft a QB similar to them early in next years draft?  Its definitely possible that we draft a QB early in next years draft if things don't go well.  Where in my statement did I say that would not be an option? But if you think Mike Glennon or AJ Mcarron will "push" Joe, that is a bit unrealistic.  Its also not realistic to think that we will bring in Maclin or Marshall in the offseason and thinking we will bring in both is absurd.  The difference between the situation we are in with Joe and Bledsoes situation is that we do not have a QB like Brady waiting in the wings.  I am not even convinced that Bill B knew he had a guy that could play the way Brady has at that time.  But because Brady got a trial run while Bledsoe was hurt it was an easy decision.  I am not sure why you would equate that to the situation that we are in.

 

Yes I was referring to drafting a QB similar. And to say nobody could push joe is absurd. You can't say somebody wouldn't come in here and play well. Somebody very well could. And if you watch the Brady6 you will know Brady was eventually going to play the next time Bledsoe struggled again. Coaches were saying in preseason it is apparent we are playing our second best QB.  If Joe lays an egg it will not take much to push him.

1 hour ago, billiejean said:

 

SPOILER ALERT

I am a realist my friend and I think that you guys are setting yourself up for disappointment.  I know that cutting Joe, forcing Joe to take a pay cut, trading Joe, or drafting a guy early to compete with Joe for the 2017 are a popular ideas thrown around in this forum.  And because of this popularity it may seem like at least one of the aforementioned actions is inevitable. But, contrary to popular belief, the F.O. does not look at the comment sections on its website in order to determine what moves to make next.  I certainly wouldn't consider myself a Flacco apologist (he can be beyond frustrating at times) as much as I would consider myself a person of logical \ rational \ pragmatic thought.  My condolences to those of you who haven't come to this reality before reading this.  I will keep you in my prayers.  

I believe Joe Flacco is a top6 QB as much as anybody. IF he is protected with an elite line and allowed to comfortably glide through his receivers, set and throw. He slings it as good and accurate as anybody. However he needs that comfort in the pocket. It is the difference in him an elite QB and an average QB. 

However, if the line isn't upgraded and Joe could struggle again. If he struggles this year anybody thinking he is the unchallenged leader is not being honest with yourself. No matter how much money he is being paid. A mike Glennon, AJ McCarron,Webb, Kizer Mahomes will be brought in to push him. If Flacco lays an egg through 8 games and a Chad Kelly comes in and lights it up. Harbaugh will not be able to go back to Joe Flacco. The hailstorm of criticism would be to overbearing. It happened after Bledsoe signed a $100million contract.  If you ever watched the Brady6 then you know he was going to eventually play. 

If Joe Flacco lays an egg. Whomever wants to stand with him as the unchallenged QB is going to be in very lonely company. I will say Joe can still get it done if lays an egg while he is not supported with a good line and weapons.  But much of our fan base is going to want to try somebody different. Harbaugh will not have any credibility if he even attempts to call him an unquestioned franchise QB. Not while Joe Flacco is laying his third egg in a row.

Which is reason I believe this draft will be more offensively laced than many fans think. Management has to know Flacco plays vastly superior when his protection dominates. It is not only the season that hangs in the balance but Joe's massive contract will look Bad bad BAD. Management that gave him the extension after a terrible year will look bad, terrible. I wouldn't rule out signing Marshall and trading for Maclin. He has similar speed as Wallace but is a more complete player and route runner.  Then double dip on the offensive line in the opening 3 rounds. Especially if we lose Wagner to free agency. I'm going to guess we strike a deal this spring. If Wagner signs elsewhere however, ravens will double dip offensive line.

4 minutes ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Well Zay Jones just ran a 4.4 he will be gone by the 2nd round. Kupp ran a 4.6 so maybe he will slip some.

I never did like Cooper to much. Always felt like he was a pretender. 

8 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Having foster and Mosley would be insane. We would have best ILB duo hands down 

Maybe ever

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

suggs, mosley, foster, and judon would make for the best 34 LB group possibly in the league. we wouldnt have the pass rush of a denver, but both of our ILBs would be a real threat to blitz or drop back and would make for a lot of confusion and big plays. it would be so much fun to watch, and as much as i love mosley, if for any reason we cant afford him because he demands too much on the market then we wont have to worry about it. because he is likely gonna set the ILB market after his 5th year and put it at a record high, thats a lot of pressure on a franchise whos always cap strapped to dedicate historic money to an ILB.

I think Mosley will get extended early. You do that the players usually give a slight discount. And accept a fair deal as opposed to squeezing every single nickel. I'm not one to talk lol I'm in process of a new job for a 30 percent raise. I was offered 15 percent to remain but decided to take the new job. So I'm actually leaving for a 15 percent raise because why did it take somebody offering me more to give me a raise at all. 

  And I think that is how NFL players feel. Why wait untill somebody is about to offer a big contract to extend me?  Then ask me to keep with the team at the last minute for a discount. Wagner probably feels a little disrespected the ravens are now trying to sign him when he is about to be offered a big contract that sets market value. Ravens should try to extend Mosley at the end of next season.

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

the ravens wont pass on him, unless the bama coaching staff tells ozzie straight up that the kids a headcase. 

i still doubt he falls past cincinnati who love themselves a good headcase and need a LB anyway, and even if cinci goes another direction, pretty much every team after them could use a LB, saints, browns, colts, eagles, cardinals, all of them would have a hard time passing on a guy like foster. 

the kids a generational talent, this isnt a vontaze burfict case where he had 3 seasons of absolute boneheaded and hotheaded film, and then proceeded to have possibly the worst combine of all time and then seemingly sabotaged himself in the interview process... reuben foster is lightyears ahead of burfict in terms of talent and character, even if foster has off the field issues at least he isnt on tape headhunting and cussing out coaches and refs.

I'm with you if he is on the list of available prospects, we won't have to wonder who the pick is going to be. Mosley and Foster controlling the intermediate field and between the hashes would make it nearly impossible to throw. It will limit the area the defensive backs have to cover and allow massive flexibility. As well as intimidating receivers and RB

I would like to draft Chad Kelly for backup QB. He has a laser accurate arm and can thread the needle. He looks over all his targets and has full confidence in very tough throughs. Some end up ints but most often end up as wow throws. He threads defenses on throws that none of his peers in this class would even attempt. He is very competitive. He has some off field incidents but no DV. He could be drafted in round4 or later. 

If a good QB guru gets him focused he could be the steal of his class. Ravens should pick him up in round 4. His skill level is similar to Derek Carr. But he has the legit athleticism to take it 50 yards.

If we want to get stronger on the offensive line we should go after Zeitler. He is better than Osemele in some ways. He is more aware of stunts and blitzes. Doesn't have his length but is as strong with better awareness for zone blocking schemes,

Then if we drafted Lamp our interior trio would be as good as there is in football. Zeitler Lamp and Yanda would be downright nasty. I have complete confidence in Alex Lewis at RT. Then in round3 double dip and grab a swing tackle/G To fill in if Lewis or Stanley is injured. He could even play if one of the interior lineman are injured. And maybe eventually play guard when Yanda retires. Somebody like Moton,Dawkins, Elawunor maybe to back up the tackles and guards.

Give Joe Flacco and Dixon an elite line and watch them rack up the yards and touchdowns even with mediocre receivers. Joe has as good and accurate an arm as anybody including Rogers Roethlisberger Ryan and Brees. He is not fast at progressing through his receivers nor being rushed to throw . Hence his bad mechanics at times. But allow him to comfortably  look over his weapons and set and throw and he is a TOP 6 QB ALL DAY.  Most QBs can't make the throws he can even with time in the pocket. But give him time in the pocket and he is Aaron Rogers, Drew Bree's and Matt Ryan. And he will make stars out of mediocre but competent receivers

It is no coincidence that the young QBs that took the leap to top10 QBs have great offensive lines in front of them? Dark Prescott and Derek Carr played very well. Their Offensive lines are No. One and No.2 respectively in the NFL. Blake Bortles is as good if not better. But played behind an embarrassing line! The jaguar offense found no consistency. Their young skilled wideouts couldn't find any because their line is atrocious. Put Dak or Derek behind that jaguar line and see how good Those guys are. Jags shelled $90million to defensive lineman while hanging their young QB out to get hammered. Jags would have been better served giving that money to Osemele.

I would prefer Zeitler to Osemele. He is more aware with his eyes on a swivel. Joe Flacco is better than Carr and Prescott. Give him an elite line and he will show it. The jags are definitely kicking themselves signing Malik over Osemele. Dixon has skills to be a top5 all purpose yards running back. Quick,elusive, vision and deceptive power to break tackles. Ravens don't need a RB. We need a line to support him like our QB. If we could get Zeitler $8million annually it would be a step in the right direction of building an elite line and a consistently   potent offense. 

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I had a 34" vertical in high school.

Honestly, i dont see the big deal about it though.  I know it shows explosion, but i dont think it matters at all. 

So you could dunk a basketball in HS? Did you play basketball?

15 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

i see webb as a rung below those top 4 guys, i have him closer in stock to someone like brad kaaya

If not for his incidents Kelly could be the top QB in the class. His arm talent is the best in the class. He made throws that many QBs in his draft class would not even attempt. If a good QB guru gets with him he could be great

3 hours ago, usmccharles said:

NFL network guys are talking about Lamp moving to C like Whitehair as interesting idea. 

I would take Lamp at 16. He can handle the big NTs as well as he can the athletic guys. Like the best guards he can play RT for several games if need be. No matter what kind of Defensive lineman Lamp is not getting beat often. If he plays center he will be the NFL prototype for  the position.