PurpleHorseman

Terrell Pryor 5 yrs/$50mil. It would be a bold move in creating an identity for the ravens. A real No.1 WR. Then Forrest Lamp or Cam Robinson in the draft. To establish a dominant run game with high octane offense.

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

How many would join if I create a message board/forum for us to migrate to?

I considered same thing. But more like the football talk boards you have to pay for membership. But it will not cost for the membership. It will be operated like those boards. Lightly moderated. Many contests and prizes, draft party at event hall. With open discussion sections with ravens rival teams like Steelers Bengals Patriots. Not sure yet of a board name. Something cool. Many of my friends are patriot fans. So inviting them should be fun. lol. One of my favorite football memories is live streaming laughing at patriots about to lose a Super Bowl on a fluke catch again. Then the interception thing.

I think it's real

The Giants have always surrounded their Franchise QB with legit playmakers there for the longhaul. Marshall probably wants to be a #2 at this age of his career. He can help Beckham become more consistent and in line.

Back to Giants always surrounding their QB with playmakers.  Giants signed Plaxico when Amani already was a viable weapon.  I'm sure Giants would have traded up for Beckham or a true No. 1 receiver if necessary. On the OPEN market sometimes you have to pay market value for a player that can put you over. Being thrifty is good but it shouldn't be a golden rule a player must accept your offer. Or else move on to older cheaper players willing to sign for what you want to pay. Especially over a couple million dollars.

7 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He's just a guy where I think we gotta look ahead and say damn the value lets get the player. Teams who do this often: NE, SEA, ATL, DAL. Oakland seems to be on this trend as well. The ravens just don't do it. There's no way perriman was "our guy", we know Stanley and correa weren't, not that these are bad picks but it's just rare for us to end up with "our guy" aside from Mosley and maxx. I think watt could be one of those players that we just won't regret even if he doesn't hit his ceiling, because his floor is high enough to pay off regardless

While I agree with you on Watt. Correa is looking like a terrible pick. Watt looks to be 265lbs with 4.65 speed. But is he fluid and natural in his movements. How is his bending skills? Is he similar to Ryan Kerrigan who has 4.69 speed with a good 3cone. But is not fluid and balanced enough to be an elite edge rusher. But is a fairly good edge rusher.

I have not watched much of TJ Watt yet. Will do so in next week or so considering how busy my schedule is. Joey I have to acknowledge I like your passion in your favorite players. Whether you are correct or not Passion is what makes games fun. Rooting for your players to get drafted by your team. Then following their career and hoping you are wrong if a rival gets your players. Looking forward to your reports on TJ Watt? Is he more fluid and athletic than Kerrigan. Which isn't a bad floor. But not quite the game wrecker we need to build the ravens defense around like Lewis/McCrary

Quiet free agency  opening act!

15 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Even if that were true (it's not), you dont get a more talented roster by paying a crap ton to guys who were part of your least talented roster.

Your logic implodes itself. Our roster is one of the least talented.... so lets pay a crap ton to guys who were on that untalented roster which prohibits us from adding future talent.

What???

Actually you must decide is he part of an underpowered roster. Or a bright spot. Can he regain his 2014 form? I agree with you. I would pay Zeitler $9million before Wagner. Because he is top5 at his position. Wagner unless he stepped up last half of season and played better than I'm aware of,is not elite at his position. But allowing him to leave will create a hole nonetheless. Really tough decisions. If we pay him and Lewis is merely serviceable. It gives us functional players and continuity. But not the elite line Harbaugh and Ozzie wants. But an upgrade at center with Forrest Lamp could push the Line to top 5 status. With Lewis and Wagner very functional and elite players at RG LT and Center. Players elite bring Yanda Stanley and Lamp/Feeney.

Unless Wagner was lights out the last 6 games of year I watched very little of. I was quite busy with things like work, new relationship and mom sick and in the hospital. So did Wagner recapture any of his 2014 magic? And get physical in the run game. If so I would consider paying him $40million over 5 yrs.

3 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Gronk ill give you. McCourty outside 1 year has not been a top 5 safety. And Butler is NO WHERE near a top 5 cb.

I like Butler. I like undersized lockdown CB's. I say arguably because he may not actually be top5. But he is put on an island with great WRs. He locked Beckham down and frustrated him. Not many would be left on an island with Beckham. Fact Belichick of all coaches put him on an island with Beckham says volumes about his skills.

1 minute ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

How many players do the Patriots have that are Top 5 at their respective position? 1.

Actually 4. Brady, Gronk, McCourty, and you can make a case Malcolm Butler is arguably a top5 player. Belichick is always a step in front of the league. Big CB's coming into the league so he is making a big play for a very explosive shifty WR that excels at separation

1 minute ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Last year I didn't agree with paying a guard 5 years/$50million which is what he would of settled for signed early. Because we were paying Yanda who is mr raven. However when I look back at it in 20/20 hindsight. At least we would have an established identity. Arguably the best offensive line in the NFL. With Yanda Stanley and Osemele. With a solid RT in Wagner.

Draft a Feeney/Lamp to play center than that is arguably the best in the league. And ravens would have an identity. The line could power a dominant running attack which would open things up for Joe while placing him in a comfortable pocket.  Then build different sections of the roster from there.

$50million to a guard looked far much to me. But now I see what we have invested in TE with no franchise player at the position. A pick in round2 and 3 and a big contract to Pitta. Not to mention a round5 and 6 pick in Boyle and Waller. And acontract given to Watson. And TE is one position.Building the offensive line Harbaugh wants could cost a lot of resources with draft picks and contract money

Good points. If Lewis can play above average at least. Then he needs a position so he isn't a waste. I like your Zeitler idea. And you don't want to waste a serviceable player

4 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

Then you pay for wagner just like they should have with KO last year.

They try to get cute and everyone hear looks at it positively but the truth is that this FO has been bad at drafting and contracting for quite some time now.

Last year I didn't agree with paying a guard 5 years/$50million which is what he would of settled for signed early. Because we were paying Yanda who is mr raven. However when I look back at it in 20/20 hindsight. At least we would have an established identity. Arguably the best offensive line in the NFL. With Yanda Stanley and Osemele. With a solid RT in Wagner.

Draft a Feeney/Lamp to play center than that is arguably the best in the league. And ravens would have an identity. The line could power a dominant running attack which would open things up for Joe while placing him in a comfortable pocket.  Then build different sections of the roster from there.

$50million to a guard looked far much to me. But now I see what we have invested in TE with no franchise player at the position. A pick in round2 and 3 and a big contract to Pitta. Not to mention a round5 and 6 pick in Boyle and Waller. And acontract given to Watson. And TE is one position.Building the offensive line Harbaugh wants could cost a lot of resources with draft picks and contract money

11 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

I think the biggest issue I am having with this FO in general is their inability to see what the ravens need in the big picture. They think they're close to being a contender, I argue that they have never been so far away in years from that.

Lewis will never be a RT in this league of anything more than a below average standard. He's an average guard for heavens sake!

I've never been so whatever about an off season. I just see next season as another below par one, no playoffs etc.

Im pretty sure that will be hammer, nail, coffin as far as the harbaugh era is concerned.

 

they lost all kind of flexibility by overpaying flacco again with that extension.

So what should FO focus on in free agency and the draft? Say like, management understands we will have holes on the team. But focus on this section to establish an identity. I would say focus on an offensive line.

34 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

No. Lewis is no RT and will never be. Doesn't have the foot speed. Trust me on this. He was barely okay at Gaurd aside from 2 games where he was good.

Lamp is an all pro gaurd in the making. Sadly we have way more needs this year then in any other year. I wish Harbs would be a bit more honest with fans and confess this is a rebuilding period. in truth, I've never seen more needs and so little cap and picks required in the harbaugh era.

I do like Lamp a lot. I agree with you there. However I do know Lewis is not most athletic guy to stash at tackle. But maybe his technique would allow him to be effective? But I can't argue because I have not watched enough of him. With so many needs what should management make a priority? Trade back and pick up an extra pick while drafting Forrest Lamp? If Ravens do a lot of trading back, would that confirm trying to acquire picks for rebuilding the team?

Free agency begins Noon?? I thought it was 4:00 p.m.? BTW I'm with you giving $9million to Zeitler before Wagner. Lewis is going to be at least as effective as Wagner at RT. Then we could draft a Feeney/Lamp to play center. Mangold I liked. But I hear he was pushed around often recently before injury.

14 minutes ago, redlobster said:

No way Pryor comes here if he is seriously trying to get $10-12 million a year.

With a franchise QB that could end up a serious bargain. He is Bigger/faster than Brandon Marshall. He could end up 1500 yards 16 TDs with a team like ravens or patriots. He was quite productive with average backup QBs

12 hours ago, jboy19 said:

My issue with Juice is that if one team values him like the TE/H-Back that he is, his value goes from probably 3mil/year to 5mil/year minimum. 

However, it is worth noting that during the Senior Bowl 2015, Nick Boyle was taking snaps at Fullback during the practice week and apparently showed some promise in a backfield role. So that is probably an option the FO is considering. If he can avoid suspension, he can fill Juice's H-Back role. 

Boyle would be awesome as a fullback. Good blocker and a real receiving weapon. Most FBs are only checkdown receivers. I would really like  Everett Graham for this role. He blocks better than Evan Engram. And Is like a route running WR coming out of the backfield. He is not dominant blocking but he is functional and takes pride in.

We need WRs that can consistently get open intermediate level between hashes

I don't like it. We need guys that can get open consistently at intermediate level.

2 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

As much as I like Soloman Thomas, don't confuse combine numbers with actual production. Allen is arguably the best overall prospect even with Garrett in this class. He dominates at what he does. Thomas is great and had a great combine so I think he goes top 10. Allen will not make it past the Titans. 

Not only the combine. I always felt he was overhyped. And a tweener with no real standout traits for any position.Combine kinda confirmed that. He is light and not overly strong for DT. Then not overly explosive for edge rusher. He is a very refined and coached up player.  I could be wrong. 

I see Solomon Thomas going before Jonathan Allen by the time draft day gets here. Separated by 10lbs and Thomas obliterated him in about every category. I don't think Allen is going top3 like predicted.

Round1 Forrest Lamp/John Ross/Rueben Foster

Round2 JuJu Smith Schuster/Dan Feeney

Some combo is my ideal scenario

Reason I like Ross as our #1 pick is his blazing speed and short area burst/shiftiness, separation skills. The NFL is going to bigger cornerbacks to combat the Corey Davis's and Dez Bryant's.

Ross can work the slot as a first down maker who presents that big play threat from the slot. Defenses will be on their heels covering him in the slot while trying to account for his deep speed. I know we have Wallace and Perriman. But those guys aren't shifty route runners that create early separation from the slot. Perriman doesn't show any 4.2 speed. Especially short area fluid burst for early separation from the slot. Ross would be like Edelman that can get deep in a blink and make an acrobatic play and climb the ladder  for it if necessary.

I like Ozzie's and Harbaugh's plan to make a great offensive line priority. When the Wizard says offensive line is a priority it means NFL defenses beware. Dan Feeney is growing into his skills and could be a future All pro Guard and Center. With potential to play tackle if called on. Forrest Lamp looks squatty and unathletic. Don't let it trick you. He can move and he is fluid  and explosive. Ask Alabama's star studded defense if it wants to see him again

29 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i still dont think barnett falls to 16, im wishful thinking by pointing that out. i speculated ross to the eagles the same day i saw the 40 time because they could prefer a gamebreaker to use wentz' big arm and open up the field, wouldnt surprise me at all. 

for reddick, i didnt know teams were valuing him that highly, ive only really seen him going in the mid 2nd and everyone knew he was going to shred the combine. his skill set projects best to be an edge rusher and he is very undersized for it, so i still think that is enough reason for him to go in the mid 2nd, regardless of combine results.

I don't think Reddick gets out of round1. He can cover and cover well. He would be an awesome weapon blitzing as a 4-3 olb. He could be a weapon blitzing as an ilb that could cover TEs. How could teams account for him blitzing as an 4-3 olb or even a 3-4 ilb? No chance he gets out of round one. That is my opinion.

However Barnett could be there at 16. He is a refined and productive college player. But fact remains he doesn't have the traits of the game wrecking edge rushers. He is refined and does everything right. He is similar to an edge rusher in 2010 Derrick Morgan refined and did everything correctly. A good player and would like to have him. But is he the game wrecker you are hoping for at 16? To change the personality of the ravens defense

8 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Taco had a very poor 40. But we all knew Barnett would have a decent, but by no means great combine. Exactly what we needed because I think he will likely be there. So far I think Soloman Thomas and Forest Lamp will shoot up the board to the top 15. Ross might do the same if Philly gets WR hungry again too. 

As far as Reddick goes, there is about a 10% chance he makes it to 48. He blew up the combine and teams are walking away thinking he can do it all. I would be surprised if he passed Pitt and NE to be honest. 

Philly is obsessed at building a juggernaut on offense and putting weapons and a line around Wentz. Philly doesn't seem to really like any of its WRs. I could see Philly signing Pryor and making a move for Ross. If that happens we could probably get Matthews for a late round draft pick.

3 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

When did we miss khalil Mack?

We liked him but didn't really have anything to bargain with to actually go get him

20 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

Throwing at a pro day is not the same as in a game, watch his film and you'll see his accuracy take breaks throughout the game. It's just objectively true that at times his accuracy leaves a lot to be desired. Of course every QB misses open guys during a game, but Kelly does it consistently and constantly, if it only happened a couple times per game I wouldn't have a complaint about it, but it doesn't only happen when he's under pressure, he also does it in a clean pocket. Comparing him to Young and Favre is just ridiculous, just because a guy has some arm talent and may get a bit better over time doesn't magically make him first ballot hall of fame caliber, or even capable of being that good. Casually comparing him to all time greats really only hurts your case, when you make comparisons that lofty then most likely you're not being objective about him. You can like a player and be realistic about them, those two camps are not mutually exclusive.

If a QB is not accurate it will definitely show up throwing at a proday. Of course there is more to being a QB. Tell me something else I already know. His uncle was similar at one time. His arm talent is very comparable to his uncle. 

Of course he has to learn the the position and put his arm skill to the turf. But to say he doesn't have top shelf arm talent isn't true. Which we will see at his proday. Matter of fact we will compare his pro day to any QB in this class. His arm skills is as comparable to any QB in the last  couple drafts. That doesn't mean I'm calling him can't miss. Because he can miss like any first round QB. All I'm saying he is as talented as any QB in this class. And last couple drafts for that matter.