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12 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Do you have a suggestion??

Were up to18 negs and not one member has stated a better offensive lineman we can get in this draft than Le'el Collins. Tell us a better offensive lineman we can get and even an equal one and I'll be happy to change the pick. Until then it is my mock. Trust me I would prefer a rookie but this is a weak draft for offensive lineman. 

1 hour ago, hn68wb4 said:

Are you seriously THAT blind? And as if social media has ever been the voice of reason, there's a reason all of the rational individuals around here don't go within 100 yards of the Ravens FB or twitter. Are you honestly so obsessed with him that you can't see any of his problems? you make more excuses for him than his mother.

I'm not making excuses. People made YouTube vids mocking her for her delusion. Are you that <not nice>On how this forum responds to Flacco criticism much less bringing in competition for him? This place goes bonkers when somebody posts a suggestion replacing Joe Flacco. When  his ints nearly rival his TDs. And even when he is near the bottom of every QB stat known.lol

3 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

Literally only one person on this entire forum wants him

There are many fans that want him. But Many on This forum are scared of somebody outplaying Joe. He didn't stalk the adult actress. She was rooting for his opponent and he told her come to the game. and she attempted to turn it into him stalking her. She was severely ridiculed all over social media for childish delusion!

3 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

HELL NO to the first round and Chad Kelly stalks "adult actresses", gets into fights and in general he's just a freaking creep. You can look at the guy and tell that he's bad news. Harbaugh would have beef with Ozzie if that happened. I don't understand why so many people here want him.

Never said round one. Over on RSR how many people will acknowledge negging the idea of trading for Collins when he is an all pro. And saying Chad Kelly is not going to be a good QB when he is lighting it up? How many will confess?? Where are the 900 people that negged sami when he said Matt Elam was a reach and bust.

3 hours ago, Jonah DeVito said:

Hahaha "he doesn't belong in public". The desire for him stems from him being Jim Kelly's nephew, as well as the kid also having obvious talent that can be had in such a late round. But you are right, he's nothing close to a stand up guy and unless he completely turns his life around there's no room for him in the NFL. 

Somebody reported he said that. His teammates really like and respect him. Young dudes get into altercations. It happens. He has put it behind him and becoming a better adult. He has never punched his gf in the face like Rice did. People blow up altercations to make a story. His teammates really like and respect him. And he treats people with respect. He doesn't act like a thug at all. 

He is wild and Needs taming. He will ignore a sure 8 yard completion and sling a 30 yard out threading the needle. While impressive, in the NFL he will need to learn to take the 9 yards and sustain a drive. He is fast triggered and can run through his progressions and anticipate. Mayock and Jeremiah are really excited wanting to see him throw. You can see their excitement and anticipation.  He is having a personal proday where analysts and scouts/GMs seriously looking forward to watching him sling  it around.

47 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Well there's definitely no way we would give up a 1st round pick for a udfa lineman with 1 year NFL starting experience for a 1 year rental - and he wasn't even a top 3-4 lineman in his own draft before his dramatic fall anyway

i know you love kelly but why would we draft him and when would he play or how would he even make the roster because there is no way we'd carry more than 2 qbs and we already have both our starter and our backup at this point - any other qbs we bring in are purely camp arms

The saints and Giants considered him and probably would of drafted him. He isn't a typical undrafted player.

2 hours ago, Jonah DeVito said:

Hahaha "he doesn't belong in public". The desire for him stems from him being Jim Kelly's nephew, as well as the kid also having obvious talent that can be had in such a late round. But you are right, he's nothing close to a stand up guy and unless he completely turns his life around there's no room for him in the NFL. 

Somebody reported he said that. His teammates really like and respect him. Young dudes get into altercations. It happens. He has put it behind him and becoming a better adult. He has never punched his gf in the face like Rice did.

30 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Well there's definitely no way we would give up a 1st round pick for a udfa lineman with 1 year NFL starting experience for a 1 year rental - and he wasn't even a top 3-4 lineman in his own draft before his dramatic fall anyway

i know you love kelly but why would we draft him and when would he play or how would he even make the roster because there is no way we'd carry more than 2 qbs and we already have both our starter and our backup at this point - any other qbs we bring in are purely camp arms

The saints and Giants considered him and probably would of drafted him. He isn't a typical undrafted player. He was a suspect in a murder and no team would take the chance. He was found completely innocent. 

You don't think we could carry an extra QB if management feels he is that good? That is how the patriots found Brady. In round6 he was so much better than any player on the board. Then in training camp and preseason he was more talented than the backups and patriots couldn't cut him because of his potential. Patriots carried 4 QBs. If Harbaugh feels his behavior has changed and he has Derek Carr caliber skill set that we picked up in round6. Would Harbaugh cut him? Especially if he clearly outplays Mallet and maybe even Joe Flacco in preseason? Would be nuts to cut him you think?

3 hours ago, -Truth- said:

Alluding to the fact that Ramsey had a terrific finish to his season but dismissing the notion of him being a shutdown CB in 2016 because he was uneven through his first 10 games is cherry picking? I would've understood had the sentence with the "In November" line been by itself, but the sentence prior about the first of the season is there to provide context. The stats given in November weren't from just November. They were his collective stats from his very first game until the time they were given. Unless you believe that you can earn a season-long title in a handful of games that erase and absolve everything prior, it's a fairly relevant misapprehension. I pray that typing out your current format isn't impeding your ability to comprehend the standard form of the language. Oh, and cherry picking is bypassing the fact that I stated that I personally feel that Ramsey will likely play as well in 2017 as he did during his stellar finish. Please try again.

Cherry picking is what you are doing to. Although you do acknowledge Ramsey is the superior player and will outplay Young next year by far.

3 hours ago, -Truth- said:

My comment was referring solely to last season. Moving forward, I wouldn't be surprised if Ramsey built on his immense success in December and continued the trend. He's the safest bet to be his draft class' best CB in 2017. That being said, with respect to their 2016 schedules, Ramsey didn't face neither Green, nor Jones nor Beckham Jr. Ramsey played in the slot against Green Bay in week 1 with Davon House at LCB with no rotation. Then they begun shifting him around between LCB, slot and RCB, which is an impressive feat in its own right and something Ramsey deserves a heap of credit for. But he wasn't tasked with always sticking to the No.1. In week 4, he lined up over T.Y. Hilton, Phillip Dorsett and Chester Rogers. The case was similar in their week 17 match up. He did shadow DeAndre Hopkins heavily as he did Amari Cooper. Young's placement was certainly more nondiscriminatory, but by virtue of Jimmy Smith being solely an RCB, Young was mostly at LCB with sparse slot duties, and the LCB is the No.1 CB spot where you're normally going to see No.1 WRs, i.e. playing most of his coverage snaps against Antonio Brown in week 9. With regards to just the 2016 campaign, their degree of difficulty wasn't all too different, meaning that we should be able to pan the two performances against each other on a relatively even playing field without it seeming far-fetched. That likely will change in the future.

I know that. I mean going forward Ramsey will be asked to do things that young would never be allowed. I like and root for smaller cornerbacks.  But don't compare Young to Ramsey.  Because that is what it looks like you are implying although I know you know that Ramsey is going to be the better player.

25 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Seriously? Why 3rd round? The Cowboys will give up their 1st round pick in a heartbeat for a deal such as this. After witnessing what we got in trade value for Jernigan you still pose this possibility?  Even trading down for the Cowboys first would be absurd in my view. The differential is 340 points between the Cowboys first and ours. That equates to pick #56 in the second round! So you believe that somebody would give up #56 to trade for Collins?? Come on man!

Yep. Comparing Jernigan to Collins? Come on man!! BTW cowboys were offered at round2 for him and refused it. He is a stud that cowboys would only part with because it can't sign him to a long contract. Although he is the most impressive lineman when he is out there. Watch his clips before commenting. He is awesome.

3 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

The Cowboys shopped him last year, but he's cheap and they can't afford a replacement for him this year. 

I definitely wasn't knocking thw JuJu pick, I'm not his biggest fan, but I think a 3rd rounder on him is fair. I have high hopes for Perriman like probably every other Ravens fan does- but I'd still prefer a receiver or 2 be taken in the draft. 

I wouldn't be dumbfounded by any means if Kelly got drafted late, but I would be surprised. But I think his injury and off-field concerns probably hold him back in a way that his pro day won't help. Not saying whether or not he deserves it, but that's just how it is. 

Jones would never part with him for a round3 pick. When he played he stood out most  on the best offensive line in the league. He could very well eventually be recognized as the best lineman in the league. He probably has most pancake blocks on a per snap basis. He blocks 2 players with regularity. Not often you find a mauler with that kind of fluidity and mobility. He would be a standout RT if cowboys didn't already have Tyron

17 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

Collins is coming off an injury and technically in a contract year (RFA next season). Plus the Cowboys need him since Leary and Free are gone. So that won't happen. 

Lawson is a decent value pick in Round 2, but I expect he'll be gone by then. Same with JJSS, but if he's there in the third I think he's a good pick up. 

Would love Sutton or Elder in the 3rd think both are gonna be pretty good. I'd take Elder over Sutton at this point because I think Elder would be a good returner. 

Haven't watched much of Morgan or Jones, but wouldn't complain about either depending on the board. 

Chad Kelly is going undrafted. 

Cowboys have already shopped him.  Go look it up. Because of their needs and can't pay a lineman after paying  Smith Frederick and Martin. Players get injured all the time. How many times has Perriman been injured? You have hopes for him? Lawson and JuJu may not be there. When Chad Kelly throws in a couple weeks at his own personal proday we will revisit your comment that he is going undrafted.  And highlight this thread for draft day. And see if Chad Kelly is undrafted.

8 hours ago, Edgar said:

This is ill conceived 

 

 

 

 

Hey ravens nation. Time for an updated mock Lets get to it shall we

Round1. Trading the No.16 pick to the cowboys for Le'el Collins and their round3 pick. I know it is an unorthodox move. But consider this. It is a very weak offensive line class. Nobody checks all the boxes. Cam plays with power but his athleticism is not left tackle quality. There are questions about Right Tackle. Lamp is a good player but not the mauler Collins is. Ramczyk is a good all around Tackle but not impressive in any category. In most drafts he is a round2-3 pick but draft is weak on lineman.

Collins can play anywhere on the line at a high level. If he were in this draft he would be the No.1 Offensive lineman off the board. Not even close. He routinely blocks multiple defensive lineman and linebackers. And pancakes them. He is very fluid for a big 6'4 320lbs. Very natural blocker with technique and feel for the position. He not only handled sec edge rushers. He made it look easy and embarrassed them. If you have all22 it is clear he stands out more than anybody on the talented Dallas line. Not even close. He moves well enough to pancake Bobby Wagner and Earl Thomas on the same play. He is eventually going to be recognized as one of the best offensive lineman in the NFL! He is fluid, explosive,powerful and nasty. If not for his injury last year he probably would already be an all  pro lineman.

Round2 Carl Lawson. If he falls to this spot Tim Williams but he likely won't be available.

Round3 JuJu Smith Schuster

Round3 Cameron Sutton/Corn Elder/best cornerback available 

Round3 Jordan Morgan

Round4DJ Jones. One of the most underrated players in this draft. At 6'0 320lbs he has very unusual explosion,flexibility and balance. He can play NT and penetrator. Bigger version of Grady Jarrett.

Round5 Chad Kelly. Why not take a chance on him. He has the best arm talent in the draft. He makes some throws with the confidence most QBs have on routine shorter throws. many NFL QBs would not attempt much less QBs in this draft class. Mayock Jerimiah and Davis are highly anticipating this dudes proday he postponed for a reason. Analysts and scouts really want to see this dude throw. He has a lot of coaching up and taming to do as many college QBs do. He is a wild stallion gunslinger with elite arm skill. He has several years to learn behind Joe Flacco

i know most fans will not give props to a player it thinks will never be a raven. Perriman is a shining example. Nobody liked him as a round1 pick before the draft. Now those same fans get mad when somebody says he was a reach and probably not a No. 1WR. And those people know who you are but will never acknowledge it. But show me a better draft      day scenario.

19 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

The ridiculous cushions dbs gave him also led to him having so much room to work with. 

However id say the breakaway speed illusion is directly a result of competition. He wasn't pulling away from OSU dbs too often(except for one broken play of course)

D2 cornerbacks are running 4.5 and even 4.4. Dude for Davis to breakaway like that he has to run sub 4.5 at least. But it is his route skills to break out of routes with suddenness and create space that stands out

35 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

They'll get snaps if they earn them, which is what training camp/preseason is for.

Frankly, if any of them are worth anything, I'd expect them to outplay a veteran journeyman that we would sign at this point in order to get those snaps.

That's why Aiken isn't here anymore. Because he couldn't outplay Steve Smith and earn more playing time.

I agree but have to get snaps to earn more. Waiting for that young wr that impresses coaches when he first practices 

1 hour ago, January J said:

Im looking for Perriman , Patrick Onsuwaur , and Matt Judon to take that next step. Waller as well. Would be nice if Zadarius did but as of now I'm just not seeing it. KC is a big question mark. Moore can't do nothing but trend up BC he played god awful his rookie season. Had high hopes for Dixon but that suspension really dampened my expectations for him- hopefully he powers through and provides a spark in week 5 once the team really settles in and we begin to see things shape up. 

Onsuwaur?? He is known for some training camp cheap shots and he is a step up candidate? How much of that is based on superstition? because of undrafted linebackers playing well like Bart,Ellerbe,Orr

1 hour ago, January J said:

Our young WRs as in all 2 of them? You know we need 6-7 receivers to feild a team right? And you wanted to give up our only current veteran in that group?

Ravens probably bring in a vet WR and except for Perriman the young WRs won't get that many snaps.

12 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Define elite? Top 5?

Yea, i do agree that Fournette would bring something we drastically need in this offense: a guy who will touch the ball 20+ times and just make plays.  I fear with the lack of consistent OL play, Fournette wont be the difference make we hope.   Williams, however, can be Joe's guy for the next 5 years at least and contest jump balls, a great redzone threat.  But, to each their own

By elite I mean Leshaun McCoy caliber or very similar.  Dixon breaks a lot of tackles for a runner known to be shifty and elusive. Bigger running back than most think at 5'10 nearly 220lbs.  He has potential to be a 1800-2000 all purpose yards player.  He is a very good receiver with some acrobatic playmaking skills. Lots potential.

We should trade for Sheldon Richardson if jets are shopping him. He is a genuine penetrator on the line. We wouldn't miss Jernigan if we brought him.

I wanted to cut Wallace to give our young WRs opportunity. We need for a young receiver to break out. I like Chris Moore better than Perriman. We should draft a WR in the first 3 rounds. I like Davis in round1, Stewart, Westbrook and JuJu round2-3. 

55 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

funny, all i've seen from urban is basically a poor mans chris canty.

Seriously dude. Excited over Urban? At least Henry has good upside. However he is not a football player. He has zero moves and technique.

1 hour ago, Jonah DeVito said:

Man that whole 1 inch. 

I wanted to say 5'10 and change. About Butlers size. And it's more than the inch. 190lbs is very solid cornerback that will keep him from getting out muscled.

On 4/4/2017 at 4:16 PM, Moderator 3 said:

 

Yep, just use the Report feature instead of hijacking a thread.

The thread was already hijacked. But you ignored it for a day as usual. But if RayRay made the same insult you would be all over it in minutes. What report icon are you referring to? It is not showing.

1 hour ago, Crusader said:

Just think Deco sta is Ozzie replacement. He needs to stop looking in the past if he wants to keep a job.

1 hour ago, Crusader said:

Coaches ability to teach is a big reason and use the talent right is another slow player development. Back in the day Ravens had leaders that help out and related better with the players. Who's there now besides Suggs? Cracks me up how people always defend everything that Ozzie and John do and say. John's going to have to coach his butt off to get to 9 wins.

I know what you mean. Decosta has caused problems for oz.  once upon a time Ozzie was all about drafting impact players regardless of position. He reached a couple of times for Travis,Boller,the wr we took in 2005. Starks I think was somewhat a reach to. Now it's all about replacing retired and departed players last minute leading to busts.

Harbaugh likes try hards that are submissive and ignores their skill level. I would guess this red star player garbage is Decosta and Harbaugh. Best choir boy available at position of need has led to picks like Correa and BK.

And Decosta is delusional or maybe smart enough to know he has to try to defend his draft picks. Calling a player a successful pick beside a different team signs him in free agency. And because he is our starter that is a successful pick. He can't possibly believe the things he says. Wagner better than Lane Johnson? Seriously. Before his suspension his opponents looked scared. He is a mauler and a top shelf athlete.

There are fans that defend management and every move made is best move that could be made. Harbaugh is a great coach in some ways. He demands every player work and practice hard. He demands his positional coaches work with players and wants to see improvement. He inspires players to be professional away from the game. He has high standards for his positional coaches to motivate players to play their best and try hard at all times. And for his coaches to to prepare players to know our schemes. As well as mentally prepared to recognize opponents schemes. 

But he knows very little about coaching up position technique and schemes himself. He was a special teams coach for like 25 yrs or something. He was never promoted to offensive defensive coordinator or any kind of offensive/defensive coach. I would guess he couldn't be a play caller on offense/defense.  And I'm not sure he knows how to use players correctly. Paul Kruger was an athletic rush olb that Harbaugh caused to bulk up and play Defensive tackle. And sometimes you are curious if he has a detailed real plan. He says the top priority is build an elite powerful offensive line to help his expensive QB play to his potential. It is like. Have you finally figured out in the last 5 minutes your QB is elite when his line dominates? And is a bottom level QB when our line struggles. Then proceeds to pay about $60million to his one dimensional NT. All while our RT leaves and Kevin Zeitler is on the market.

8 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

So could a lot of other teams. Hindsight doesn't accomplish anything.

Many fans wanted Collins. I did after a host on the fan turned me onto Collins. I watched some games and was convinced he would be drafted top20. And we wouldn't get him. When he was there at 26 i thought for sure he would be the pick. I told everybody that wanted him he would be drafted before we picked. He was definitely one of the more popular players of all the ravens fans I talked  draft with.