nj_ravens

how bout a "PLAYMAKER" at QB?

"How bout".... even if you don't like Flacco we can't dump him for 3 years, so instead of wasting EVEN MORE cap on another QB why not get weapons to develop both for the present and for the next guy?

  10 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

  17 hours ago, ravens4life86 said:

Playmakers... ok. There will be playmakers every round.
Mike Williams,Dalvin Cook, Davis West Mich WR, Howard TE all possibly 16th picks
Rnd 2- Dede Westbrook, Amarah Darboh, Smith Schuster WRs

But are they going offense or defense?

Williams is gone in the Top 10. I think Fournette goes to the Panthers and Cook goes to the Colts or the Eagles right before us. That basically leaves Davis, Howard or John Ross for us in the 1st Round. I don't know if you pass up a top notch CB or Pass Rusher for either (Davis maybe but not Howard). I like Ross but we don't need another speed guy. I think this is the perfect draft to trade back in the 1st Round and still get a shutdown corner. Trading back into the 20s could get us another 3rd Round pick that could net us CB Tre'Davious or RT Taylor Morton.

JuJu will be gone at the top of Round 2 (49ers or Bears). No way Stevie B drafts Dede after 2 domestic violence arrests.

Darboh is more a 3rd or 4th Round guy. I think the Ravens wait until those rounds on a WR like Darboh, Kupp, Zay or Courtland Sutton. Personally, I would love to see the Ravens get Zay or Sutton - that's the type of WR we need.

Many are forgetting the Ravens philosophy toward the draft; they pick the best player available on the board. Picking a CB, pass rusher, running back, offensive lineman, etc. first, will be dictated by who is the best on the board ....not by which one the Ravens need the most. We have needed CBs every year since I can remember. We were in dire need of a tackle with the loss of Osemele; however, had he been available, we would have drafted Elliott before Stanley (in my opinion)...Not taking anything away from Stanley, but the Ravens would have asked themselves, is Elliott a better running back than Stanley is a tackle? That is the Ravens logic. In the end, we will all be in wonderment at what the Ravens do with their early draft picks.

Also, the Ravens feel (and are correct) that the offense is the weakest part of our game. So I expect it to get the most attention early on. But the Ravens have incorrectly equated Flacco's poor play to his knee, his weapons and consistency in offensive coaching. Two of the three will have been rendered academic by 2017. However, line management has failed to entertain the idea that Flacco has peaked and become a middle of the road QB. Weapons will not change that.

JMHO

"we would have drafted Elliott before Stanley (in my opinion)"

I suppose I can't say your wrong, but it's a situation we knew never would happen.

Facts: We knew Dallas wanted Elliot. We wanted Ramsey. We liked Ramsey more than both Elliot and Stanley.

I suppose we never will know if we liked Elliot more than Stanley, but we knew Elliot would be gone so it never was a serious thought.

Would be really great to see him stay... too bad we wasted that cap space on a 36 yoa TE who has had exactly one good season in his career, and a washed up return specialist who made bad decisions and couldn't hang on to the ball. Let's hope we have learned something from our mistakes.

The money given to Hester has very little effect on our cap space. 1.1 dead money THIS year. None next year. That money would have gone to another returner if not Devin, so it wouldn't even have been carried over. So we didn't waste any cap.

Watson only has 1mil dead cap next year.

Neither of those players have anything to do with cap money deeded for Williams.

  3 hours ago, nj_ravens said:

  9 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  22 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Calling the shot: The Ravens will select RB Donnel Pumphrey with the 3rd Round Comp pick (for KO). Has a SSS mentality at RB with 4.4 speed. Most rush yards in the history of college football. This kid can go to the house every time he touches the ball......If he was 3 inches taller & 25 pounds heavier - he'd be a Top 5 pick - talent level is that good.

maybe cuz he's plays at SD state. Comparing this guy to SSS. LOL. 4.4 speed for the NFL, big deal. didn't even look that fast on film either vs bad competition. That would suck if we spent a third on him

"4.4 speed for the NFL, big deal."

Elliot ran a 4.47. just saying. Dixon ran a 4.58 for comparison.

Yea but Elliot weighs 55 pounds more than Pumphrey and Dixon weighs 45 pound more than he does. They have him listed at 170 now and that of course isn't official. Im not sure if players get measured in the Senior Bowl or not but that would certainly be a more accurate number.

THIS is a good reason why not to draft him. 170 pounds is pretty slight. But 4.4 speed for a back is good, that shouldn't be questioned, nor should we ever look at a running back and say "Man, he only runs a 4.4. Not worth it."

  18 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Calling the shot: The Ravens will select RB Donnel Pumphrey with the 3rd Round Comp pick (for KO). Has a SSS mentality at RB with 4.4 speed. Most rush yards in the history of college football. This kid can go to the house every time he touches the ball......If he was 3 inches taller & 25 pounds heavier - he'd be a Top 5 pick - talent level is that good.

maybe cuz he's plays at SD state. Comparing this guy to SSS. LOL. 4.4 speed for the NFL, big deal. didn't even look that fast on film either vs bad competition. That would suck if we spent a third on him

"4.4 speed for the NFL, big deal."

Elliot ran a 4.47. just saying. Dixon ran a 4.58 for comparison.

Calling the shot: The Ravens will select RB Donnel Pumphrey with the 3rd Round Comp pick (for KO). Has a SSS mentality at RB with 4.4 speed. Most rush yards in the history of college football. This kid can go to the house every time he touches the ball......If he was 3 inches taller & 25 pounds heavier - he'd be a Top 5 pick - talent level is that good.

Very likely. Apparently they've been meeting with him a lot. If the pieces fall that way, it very well may happen.

A lot of busts too. Only a couple hrs Ko,Yanda,Flacco,Grubbs,

How bout this Courtney Upshaw who may win another ring in about a week. Should a kept him around obviously a winning player

But a lot of busts too

"Ko,Yanda,Flacco,Grubbs"

More than that. Brandon Williams, Juice, Wagner, mcPhee, Oher, Grubbs, Leron McClain, Jarret Johnson, all the young players including Tavon Young.

And a bunch of other players who, while perhaps were not stars, played roles on our teams. I wouldn't call them busts....

No Adoree?

I think he's getting mocked to the second round in most mock drafts.

  31 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

If we got off of two picks that amounted to nothing in the last two drafts we could have had Ha Ha Clinton-Dix AND Jalen Ramsey. Because we so valued Bronson Kafusi we couldn't get Ramsey, similar situation with Clinton-Dix). When players start mattering more than picks we will do well, as long as Ozzie continues to buy into the mentallity that a pick is more important than players, then we will keep getting 11 draft picks a year and end up cutting 7 of them and 10 or those 11 never make it to the end of their rookie contracts and resigns.

I think Harbaugh is doing wonders with what the FO refuses to give him.

When is the last time we drafted 11 players and "end up cutting 7 of them."?

Answer: NEVER

During the last 4-5 years, all or nearly all of the draft picks have made the 53 man roster.

This guy just likes to bash Ozzie and is blinded by hate. Our team is made up of low round picks that have made it. 5th-7th round picks sometimes don't make it, but they were risks anyway. We've had some high pick misses, but those guys still make the team for like 3 years. So I don't know where this guy gets his numbers from, but it's obviously because he's just pissed off about nothing.

If we got off of two picks that amounted to nothing in the last two drafts we could have had Ha Ha Clinton-Dix AND Jalen Ramsey. Because we so valued Bronson Kafusi we couldn't get Ramsey, similar situation with Clinton-Dix). When players start mattering more than picks we will do well, as long as Ozzie continues to buy into the mentallity that a pick is more important than players, then we will keep getting 11 draft picks a year and end up cutting 7 of them and 10 or those 11 never make it to the end of their rookie contracts and resigns.

I think Harbaugh is doing wonders with what the FO refuses to give him.

"Because we so valued Bronson Kaufusi we couldn't get Ramsey"

Wrong. Because we valued the 3rd round pick, which could have been anyone. He didn't know they would get Kaufusi, specifically. Your logical steps are backwards.

Ozzie didn't want to pay a premium (and extra pick) because Jerry Jones thought we were taking their guy, when we weren't.

If you wanted to complain that maybe we didn't take Javon Hargrave or Fuller in the 3rd that might be a more acceptable complaint. But what you're doing is analyzing with your 20/20 hindsight glasses on instead of looking at it "in the moment"

"similar situation with Clinton-Dix"

Wrong, we picked Mosley in that draft. Stud pick for a need position. Ha-Ha went 4 picks later. Ha-Ha has been good, but not amazing. I suppose you mean we didn't take him because we "already had Elam". Hard to tell, but Mosley was obviously ranked higher on the board since we picked him and not Dix, especially since we were obviously still looking for a safety and took Brooks at 3.

"If we got off of two picks that amounted to nothing in the last two drafts"

Wrong. Mosley didn't amount to nothing. Stanley didn't amount to nothing. Kaufusi, again, is nothing as long he is injured, but that's not nothing completely, nor is it nothing forever. You can't predict injuries with no injury history.

I still don't know what Correa is - I thought we drafted him to be an edge rusher, but then we tried first to using him inside and ultimately he didn't give any indication where he can play and be effective. We need Correa to step up in 2017 and contribute somewhere in a significant way. I don't want to hear that we need to draft for Orr's loss. We have too many other places that need to be addressed. Back fill ILB and draft secondary, edge rush and O line.

"ultimately he didn't give any indication where he can play and be effective."

It seemed like they were liking him at ilb, but Orr was just better. Team wasn't expecting it. Wanted to get Correa on the field so started working him outside. High learning curve for Correa, learning 2 spots as a rookie, when his really not a "smarts" player but an instinct/motor guy. Should do better this year.

  2 hours ago, sami said:

  2 hours ago, RaRaRavens said:

Damn, our roster is seriously starting to look like Swiss cheese - holes every which way. Just to name the positions where we need (improved) starters at: LB, CB 2 (considering Young should play the slot), WR 1&2, C, OLB, most likely DT and RT as well. Gonna be a looong offseason...

We've got the WR 1&2, we also have the OLB and RT as of right now. Quit being so pessimistic.

We've gpot WR 1&2? Who do you consider starting caliber WR beside Wallace? Because I don't think at all that Perriman has proven himself last sesaon... The way things looked at the end of the season, I'd much rather go with Aiken than Perriman - but Kamar's all but gone.

"Because I don't think at all that Perriman has proven himself last sesaon"

We need to play our picks if we want out of veteran free agent cycle. If we want true impact FAs then we can't let journeyman guys take reps from our draft picks and money from our cap.

  17 hours ago, Moderator 3 said:

  17 hours ago, verified said:

We havent made the playoffs since the super bowl win in 2012, Our best player is a kicker. Other teams seem to have no problem finding WR (Seahwaks, steelers patriots etc) and here we are with not even a clear number 1 and it looks like were gonna bring in another aging veteran for another 3 years its pathetic, samo samo So You try and find some positive in this mess.

Did you forget 2014?

Yup, quick L, easy to forget. It was like playing musical chairs and being the first one to get eliminated because you lack real talent and a GM that can notice it.

because you lack healthy corners* fixed that for ya....

“The fans who attend games at M&T Bank Stadium will always have a memorable gameday experience and get good value.”

As a PSL owner, I love going to the Bank for all the games as it is a great experience but, I see little value in it. I mean we were just informed ticket prices are increasing to go along with the way they steal from people with merchandise, food & beverages. It's easy to say don't buy anything but harder not to do when your there for 4 hours or more.

Food and Merch prices are high across the league, it's not specific to MTB. And yea, they are raising ticket prices after not raising ticket prices for 3, while doing renovations. There seems to be a 3 year trend. They last raised prices in 13, and before that in 10. Tickets have to go up sometime.

  20 hours ago, Crusader said:

The Ravens won the Superbowl being one of the oldest team did they not?

Not in key positions, One must remember they wouldn't have made it to the SB without that fluke pass to Blodin. They also got some players from that squad still playing and are 4 years older. Added to that is the draft busts of recent years and it's adding up to a long playoff drought w looking none too promising for the future.

"One must remember they wouldn't have made it to the SB without that fluke pass to Blodin."

I don't remember. Can you tell me which pass was a fluke?

"They also got some players from that squad still playing and are 4 years older."

The only players remaining from that squad are Flacco, Yanda, Jimmy Smith, and Albert McClellan (and Tucker, Cox and Koch)

" none too promising for the future."

We were 1 play, 1 yard from beating the Steelers, who are looking hot right now. Open your eyes.

Steve, just shut up. Everything out of your mouth in the last week makes you look like an idiot. You're a great owner, keep it that way.

Based on?

The word 'old' should be replaced with 'stale'. 'Cause that's what the Ravens are. Same old, same old. Run of the mill. Safely mediocre. No risk, no gain. If anyone doesn't think coaching isn't the problem, just take a look at the New England Patriots. No matter the players, no matter the injuries, they keep rolling over other teams like a steam roller. That comes from good coaching. Meanwhile we just stay around average with no end in sight.

No Steve, old is stale. Result is loss of viewers/revenue. Guess if you just need a hobby it's okay. But if you want a winner more will need to be done.

"That comes from good coaching." No, that comes from Hall of Fame coaching, from honestly the greatest football coach ever to live. Pats are the exception, not the rule. Sure, you want to emulate what they do, try to learn. But to say our coaching is an issue because we aren't achieving what they are achieving is always going to lead to frustration.

  1 hour ago, nj_ravens said:

  2 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  2 hours ago, ibleedpurpleandblack said:

Bye Felicia!!!! Secondary was atrocious this year!!

Are you kidding? Thats cuz Shareece Wright was on the team...for some reason?? And we don't want to get a shut down corner for some reason. At least Frazier finally helped create turnovers

"And we don't want to get a shut down corner for some reason."

"Not wanting" and "not being able to get" are two different things. To suggest we don't want one is silly.

If we wanted one we would spend a 1rst or 2nd on one, or pay up in free agency

You forget we tried to get Ramsey this past season. Who would we have gotten in free agency? Josh Norman? We aren't spending that cash. The only corner worth getting in the 2nd was maybe Mackensie Alexander who only played 3 games for the Vikings. The year before that we went after 2 offensive needs. And before that Webb was still considered a good CB2 and we were going after safeties instead.

This is supposed to be the best CB class in a decade. If we don't go after one in this draft then you'll have a point. But to say coaches don't WANT better players, again, makes absolutely no sense. Just because they didn't get the players doesn't mean they don't want them.

  1 hour ago, BigUgly said:

Leslie did a great job with the secondary this year, considering what he had to work with. If he's going to Buffalo, does that mean we pick up Buffalo's asst. secondary coach, Ed Reed?

They'll not let Reed go. He'll be promoted to the Secondary's coach in Buffalo. Watch.....

Reed was there because of Rex. The decision is up to Frazier. If he's smart he'll keep Ed.

  1 hour ago, ibleedpurpleandblack said:

Bye Felicia!!!! Secondary was atrocious this year!!

Are you kidding? Thats cuz Shareece Wright was on the team...for some reason?? And we don't want to get a shut down corner for some reason. At least Frazier finally helped create turnovers

"And we don't want to get a shut down corner for some reason."

"Not wanting" and "not being able to get" are two different things. To suggest we don't want one is silly.

Yanda moves to left guard and Stanley plays great in the last 5 weeks. Coincidence?

He also played well in his first 4 weeks with Lewis next to him. And played poorly after not practicing because of injury.

  32 minutes ago, sami said:

  1 hour ago, BiggMack91 said:

he is average at best he got flacco hurried on numerous occasions he is no Ogden he is a consistent Oher and we all know how that turned out he is solid but I wish we would have gotten hargraves CB at 6 but I don't see stanley being a franchise LT hope we finally draft a good CB this year with 1st round pick

Its his Rookie season. Give the guy a break. And how can you say hes not an Ogden at this stage of his career when Ogden didn't even play LT till his 2nd year.

ogden also didn't give up a sack until his second year an that was 1 all of his second season but only gave up 26 for his hole career

What point are you trying to make? This doesn't help your original point at all. Yes, we know Ogden was amazing.

Glad to hear Harbaugh is lookin to get better NEXT season.....and get better in ALL areas. Thatds great to know, because it surely didn't get a whole lot better as the season progressed. Why ?

you weren't watching.

  13 hours ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

  21 hours ago, Maryland said:

Harbaugh's insistence on sticking with his guys reminds me of Billick sticking with Boller to the bitter end.

It's not the bitter end until Harbaugh's balding. This year was growing pains. The fact no one called these last few seasons a rebuild mode doesn't erase the fact there are growing pains to be expected.

Compared to last season, this season was much better overall. Yes there is room for improvement, but overall there is more to be content with that dissatisfied.

1. Address the CB need this offseason, no excuses.
2.Address the offense and get it locked before training camp opens, or it will be a repeat of last season going into a season just guessing what will happen.

If this was a "rebuilding mode" year, then why didn't John use some of the lesser players to give them some play time on Sunday? The only thing this team is building is a sinking ship.

You play to win the game

Greg Roman would have been an excellent addition and a real commitment to the running game. He was a winner in SF and made Buffalo respectable on offense with Tyrod Taylor. A guy who knows how to use the talent he is given.

Mike McCoy is more in tune with today's NFL and still produced solid offenses without any talent or help from his GM. We will miss the playoffs again with Marty. That is a fact. It gives me 0 hope in next season.

"He was a winner in SF" (you're thinking of Jim Harbaugh)

"and made Buffalo respectable on offense with Tyrod Taylor" They fired him this year, and then Tyrod played better.