nj_ravens

I expect Siragusa to win the OG spot, and kick Lewis out to RT. They talk about him like hes big mauler, great run blocker. Hes the reason Donnel Pumphrey got all those thousands of yards. He will need work in pass pro, but as a big mauling beefy run blocker hes already there.

I see it like this, Stanley, Yanda, hopefully Mangold, then Siragusa, Lewis

Yanda already said he wants to go back to right guard.

  6 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

LOL. Looked ridiculous? What do you mean? I missed it, I wasn't watching when he was picked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5msbq_eLd-U

Check it out. I can't understand how any journalist who saw that speech could write articles commending the guy with headlines such as,  '"Takkarist McKinley wins hearts with draft speech to late grandma" and  "Takk McKinley wins the night with emotional interview about his grandmother".  I think the best way to describe it is bizarre or cringe worthy.  very very strange

 

Did you're mother or father die when you were young? Mine did, so I get it. In his case, he had no father, his mother left when he was little, raised by his grandmother and then SHE died leaving him with basically nothing but football. He lived a tough life (bouts of homelessness IIRC, Richmond was a tough area of Oakland) and survived and got out, and in the moment of fulfilling his dream and promise he was emotional. That type of passion and motivation is what breeds great football players. You just don't get it.

Understandably, when you pick someone at 16 that most analysts had in the 30s on their big boards, your not going to get a lot of post-round 1 love in the press. All I can hope is that our guys see something that the analysts don't and we'll all warm up to this pick.

Bottom line is this dude's gonna need to perform and honestly, if he isn't a starter across from Jimmy to start the season, that will add to the disappointment. I know many will say you can't expect CBs to start right away, but you normally hope that when you pick 16 you are getting a day 1 starter. 

Yea, and when they made those predictions, were they considering Conley's mess and Sidney's injury? We picked the second best corner available. He might not start at first but he will be a starter eventually.

Sure, you want someone who CAN start right away, but it's better if you don't HAVE to.

Things that I don't understand about everyone's comments:

1) Did everyone just forget that Jimmy has injury issues and that Carr is pretty old? I don't get the hate

2) So is everyone just really low on Judon and Zadarius? Everyone is freaking out about pass like we have nobody on the roster. Yes, we need to draft someone high. Yes, the Ravens missed out on a few guys just 3 spots ahead of us and tried to trade up. But it's not like we don't have people, like we haven't spent draft capitol on the position. I think Judon has a HUGE year. .

3) Only 2 of the top linemen went in the first round, both several picks after us. Everyone suggesting we should have reached at 16 to get a lineman is out of their mind. To everyone saying we should have traded back, we tried and failed, and that's just fine. Top 3 Centers, top guard, and another top tackle still on the board. Chill out.

4) WRs still available: Zay Jones, JuJu S-S, DeDe Westbrook, Kooper Cupp. If we took Howard we would have HAD to move him to TE

THE DRAFT ISN'T OVER YET. THERE IS STILL 6 ROUNDS. Jeez man. It's like people think there are only 32 players available to improve your team.

I cant help but laugh at how he keeps being called "big" at 6'0" 197 lbs, and Tavon young was considered abnormally small to a red flag extent at 5'9" 180 lbs..it's 3 inches and less than 20 lbs lol I guess only 5'11" CBs that weigh about 190 lbs are considered "normal"

fact, corners that are 6' are "long" . 5'11 190 is considered average, yes.

Humphrey was the lowest rated non-QB taken on day one. Clearly Ozzie had him rated a lot differently than everyone else. I hope for the sake of the Ravens it works out but it's hard to see how this was a good move given all the talent they passed on.

"lowest rated" by whom? Just saying someone was lowly rated doesn't mean he was, or by anyone who matters.

Holy crap, I was not expecting people to be mad about this pick.

Clearly no one is going to be able to agree as to whether or not this was a good pick. I think there is something that we could all agree on here. Im feeling pretty thankful that we didn't Takk (not that i thought there was chance to take him that early). He looked absolutely ridiculous.  I had to come back and edit this one.  After reading some articles about it there seems to be a lot  of people that admired him for that.   There are also some people that thinks that ra ra bs is directly coordinated to being a good football player.  I couldn't disagree more on both of those issues. 

It's not ra-ra bs. Ben Boulware, and dare I say, Ray Lewis are Ra Ra bs type of players. He was just happy he fulfilled his promise to his grandmother, who was his acting mother and father. The pain of losing a parent, let alone your only one, is excruciating. Not many people know, I do. I respect him for channeling the pain into something positive.

  23 minutes ago, RavenFanInNewEngland said:

"Yeah, it's a very sound pick if you haven't thrown up in your own mouth in a while and forgot what it's like."
My sentiments exactly! Unbelievable! There were very talented OT's and pass rushers on the board. What a "whiff"!!!

Definitely don't see who these talented OT's are.

And apparently neither did any of the other teams, since basically none of them were drafted on day one.

So either every team in the league whiffed, or fans are wrong again. I'll let you decide which one is more likely (hint: its the latter).

Taking at tackle at 16 would have been a reach. By far. This guy doesn't know anything.

And besides all that, our real OL target should be center, and both of the top guys are still available.

Like the article. But how is that we waste a first round pick for a back-up corner??? I surely hope he proves the masses wrong, but today this looks like a silly and sad move. Did anyone watch the press conf live last night? Body language speaks incredibly loud.... and from what JH's body was telling us, it was easy to hear him saying "this is not what I was looking for today". And at the moment I was still choking back the throw-up in my mouth.

He's a backup corner THIS year, but he isn't going to stay a backup corner. Webb will retire soon, and Jimmy is injured half the time, Carr is a veteran stop gap. That leaves Humphrey, Young, and Canady for the future. This was a good pick based on who was there. Get your head out of the sand.

Why only 10? We know with Steve Bisciotti, that money isn't everything. Do the blokes not like band music?

It's not (all) about money. PFT reported that the Ravens and several other teams are having issues with getting their flights chartered. I'm sure this is a result of that.

Ozzie cant afford to miss on an impact player early. Trading back for picks sounds nice but the return for doing so hasn't panned out often.

Do you like Matt Judon? Guess how we got him.

The 2012 Superbowl Champion Ravens was in large part a team that was 13-3 in 2006 before Harbs and Flacco, close to winning the Division in 2008, won the division in 2011 and 2012. This is not that team.
This is a team that missed 3 out of the last 4 playoffs and have not won the division in 5 years.

What they need are playmakers : Based on chance of availability
1. OJ Howard –BPA if he’s there at 16. I doubt it though
2. Mike Williams – Miss match, will win ball similar to Boldin, Evans, Benjamin, can make Flacco better
3. Barnett – loss Dummervil, Suggs is older
4. McKinley – speed rusher
5. Corey Davis – route runner, size, RAC
6. Peppers – If the above guys are gone, he’s BPA IMO, will always be around football
7. Cook – home run RB, running and catching out of backfield

Trading back is gambling when you are already behind. Yes, the Ravens can play Steelers, Patriots, and a lot of teams close, but moral victories do not win games.

This is a deep draft so the teams already ahead of the Ravens will get better too. Stay put and select BPA. No need to wheel and deal with a team that has been 3rd in the division for years.

OK, and what if all 7 of those players are on the board, and lets say for sake of example, Detroit (I picked them simply for easy math) wants to give us a 3rd rounder to move back 5 slots, as the draft chart says is approximately even.... you say we don't do it? That doesn't make ANY sense, because you can still get choice of 2 of those 7 AND another player in the top 100.

I have turned off NFL Network and ESPN for one reason...  and one reason only.  These female analysts that they have on there...  They consistently mispronounce words...  and the networks fail to correct it....  This crap with "Cam Newt-in".  The same with "Peyt-in Manning"....  They sound like 5 year-olds that cannot pronounce words.  It burns through my blood.  I cannot stand it.  Discredits them and the networks in my eyes.  Stop putting these little "babes" on there that are only eye candy....  Put somebody on there that can "Talk Football...  Please".

 

Now, on a side note...  I actually have to agree with Bayless.  He's correct.  And for once is giving Joe credit where credit is due.  I applaud that.

Now let's go out there, get us some good players in the draft and fill these holes.  I cannot wait for another shot at the brass ring again this year.

You're mad at the female analysts, not because they have arguably less credibility since they didn't play football in their lives, or any other argument that could be deemed reasonable, but because you don't like their accent? Anyone who doesn't speak like you sounds like a 5 year old, eh? You have the one and true voice, all hail.

  1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. That's great. But last I checked, he got a DUI, not a DUI that involved the death of another person.

We pretty much can just look to the legal system for verification on this, as the punishment for most first-time DV offenders is harsher in most jurisdictions than the first-time offense of most DUI offenders. As somebody who has gotten a DUI myself, I can tell you that I'm much better off getting a DUI than punching my wife in the face from a punishment/legal standpoint.

So if DUI was worse, why isn't the punishment worse? I mean we know Murder is worse because, among the fact that you killed somebody, our legal system has a harsher punishment for Murder. The legal system mostly defines the hierarchy of crimes based on their corresponding punishments for it.

2. Yes, they did keep every other star player included on that list, because that's what happens when you're a STAR player. You get preferential treatment, because you are more valuable.

Welcome to the Real World, where everybody isn't equal. Not every person walking this planet is as valuable as another, despite what some people would like to tell you.

When Joe Flacco gets a DUI, he stays on the team. When the 8th Olineman on the roster gets one, he gets cut.

Why? Duh. Joe is more valuable than the 8th Olineman.

1.Try using that logic with some of the family members who lost loved ones to a drunk driver. " Well this guys ok because he didn't actually kill anyone that time". I cant argue on the legal process  because its just plain idiotic. I myself involved with the Marine Corps for some time advocated for the harshest punishment possible every time an incident occured. For whatever reason our society has adopted the "boys will be boys" mentality on the issue. I agree it is much more damning to be involved in a domestic abuse situation than DUI/DWI and that is complete nonsense. One continuously claims lives by the thousands annually while the other still terrible is simply not on that level.

2.Either you are missing my point or purposefully ignoring it. I understand players are treated differently, but the Ravens are the ultimate hypocrites for taking a harsh stance simply because they screwed up with the Ray Rice fiasco. You and I both know if they had stopped the release of the second video (like they were attempting to do ) he still would have been on the team. He would have been no different then all the other legal cases they allowed to stay on the team.

1) "One continuously claims lives by the thousands annually while the other still terrible is simply not on that level." Which one is not on what level? I can't tell what point you're trying to make.

Whether or not somebody gets hurt absolutely matters on the crime. Yes DUI is terrible and a danger to everyone. But let's make an analogy. If you illegally discharge a weapon, you might get probation or maybe jail time. Maybe a misdemeanor. If you illegal fire a discharge and injure someone, or illegally discharge a non registered weapon, or something, you're probably getting a felony. The course of events matter.

Or even simpler. If you Jwalk, nothing is probably going to happen. If you run across the street with oncoming traffic and cause someone to swerve and hit someone, you're getting in a lot of trouble.

2) Here's my point that nobody is hitting on. DUI is a symptom of a bigger problem, alcoholism. Problems with drugs and alcohol are a personal problem that can be fixed. That is why teams are more willing to deal with that type of transgression, because the person can IMPROVE. The person can FIX himself. When it comes to DV, that person is generally a scumbag, and there isn't much you can do to fix it. There's nothing you can do to shake the image either.

3) You said "If the Ravens want to be politically correct and win the hearts and minds of the people they will never win another championship." and later went on to say they were hypocrits..

So are you saying we shouldn't bar DV offenders? What's wrong with trying to build a team of good people after having a few missteps along the way ?

too bad our UN-ELITE QB is taking up a majority of cap space on offense,it would be great to grab JEFFERIES and BRANDON MARSHALL,and immediately have 2 PLAYMAKER'S open on every play.

You assume:

1) That we would have a QB to throw to them

2) That apparently other teams don't play defense - nobody is open every play. Sorry.

3) That we would sign either of them, regardless of Joe's cap.

I'm not impressed with Derek Barnett. He reminds me of those guys that are great in college but start to decline fast for the NFL. Takkarist McKinley is quicker.
"The team will miss out on a top-ranked corner-back in the draft once again" Are they giving up on Bronson Kaufusi?

"Are they giving up on Bronson Kaufusi?"....

No.

Also, i get the reference to not drafting Ramsey, but seriously what does it have to do with getting another corner?

"RAVENS GIVE 'VERY COMPETITIVE' OFFER TO RICK WAGNER"

Doesn't mean a thing. That was the exact same phrase ("a very competitive offer") they used about Osemele last season - and we all know how that worked out...

That doesn't mean the result is going to be the same.

  51 minutes ago, raven9090 said:

With recent draft failures in mind, quality matters than quantity.. I like we trade away picks to move few spots ahead to get targeted players.

Yes, I've been saying this for 2 years. We went into last draft with what, four fourth-rounders and five fifth-rounders? I thought for sure they would be used to package up and move up a few spots in rounds 1, 2 and 3. Instead, we traded DOWN and picked up .......yes, more 4th and 5th rounders. We've got a whole roster full of 4th and 5th rounders now and completely bare of any top shelf talent.

Well I wouldn't complain about those 4th rounders because they actually are all contributors. Your point may have been valid if all of those 4th and 5th rounders didn't kick butt. Or if you were talking about any year besides last year. Moore had ST tds, Lewis started at guard and tackle, Dixon and Judon are the future, Tavon Young is a starter. We cleaned house .

  On 2/23/2017 at 1:39 PM, nj_ravens said:

How so? I think it would be absolutely useless in fantasy, and actually has real world applications.

imo too much math to have pratical apps. I would think that a HC or OC would auto sense what was happening. I must admit I know very little about fantasy and thought it just used a lot of stats.

"imo too much math to have pratical apps."

Really, Swift? Just because you don't get/can't do that math doesn't mean the analysis doesn't yield results that are practical.

"I would think that a HC or OC would auto sense what was happening."

Not all analytics and and stats need to be used in real time to be practical or useful in the real world. Everything will always come down to the coaches' guts when all is said and done.

The way I envisioned the stat being used is to analyze your own team's efficiency over the course of a week, a few weeks, the season, etc and what to work on, and whether or not you have improved.

"I must admit I know very little about fantasy and thought it just used a lot of stats. "

It does use stats. It's all based on yards, attempts, and scores of an individual player, except "defense and ST" is listed as one position. Fantasy stats look at one player, while the "failed down" stat as I like to call it is more of a team stat.

  On 2/24/2017 at 9:00 AM, nj_ravens said:

  On 2/24/2017 at 8:32 AM, sizzlingdoom said:

I have a question for someone that knows a lot about how the comp. picks work. It's about Juice. I really hope he leaves, and really think he is going to. Staying doesn't make any sense at all for both sides.
If he leaves, we won't have the possibility of getting a comp. pick for him cuz he'll be under the rb category right?

no I don't think so. It's just about # of players we let go vs players we sign, excluding cuts. The round designation is based on new contract signed by the other team.

In addition to what you said, my question is I thought they were only dished out if the FA you lose is around the top salaries for that position. in the league or just FA class, not sure. But I was thinking if that plays into it, for determining the round, Juice is considered a rb right? cuz otherwise he might be at the top in terms of salary for fbs after FA

It's only the top 32 contracts, or something like that, because there are only 32 comps.

I do believe Juice would be a RB.

I have a question for someone that knows a lot about how the comp. picks work. It's about Juice. I really hope he leaves, and really think he is going to. Staying doesn't make any sense at all for both sides.
If he leaves, we won't have the possibility of getting a comp. pick for him cuz he'll be under the rb category right?

no I don't think so. It's just about # of players we let go vs players we sign, excluding cuts. The round designation is based on new contract signed by the other team.

  1 hour ago, nj_ravens said:

  1 hour ago, stuckonaboat13 said:

Curious if we could make something work with the Skins as far as trading Flacco if their arrangement(or lack there of ) with Cousins falls through. Joe's contract is beyond absurd, cant wait until we are no longer held hostage by it and captain back foot lob pass.

There is exactly 0% chance this will happen. It's not even worth speculating.

I disagree , the Skins could be in series desperation mode and their only options will be to franchise Cousins which they clearly don't want to do or find someone in trade or the open market. Don't forget the skins are an organization dumb enough to let a 5000 yard passer go over a few million dollars. I don't want Cousins in return id rather start fresh with a rookie on a rookie contract. Would be interesting if it happened, unlikely of course but something fun to think about. I just don't think Joe Flacco is ever going to be the answer again. Imagine what kind of team we could build if we find a quality QB and they are on a rookie contract. Of course thats easier said then done

First of all, it takes 2 to tango. THE RAVENS WILL NOT TRADE FLACCO. No matter what the fans or the media thinks. They. Will. Not. 0% chance.

There's only one scenario I can think of, where somebody sends over at least 2 firsts and 2 seconds. And even then, I don't know if Ozzie would do it. It would need to be a ransom. A heist. Who gives up that much for someone that the team is shopping for being ineffective? Nobody will ever offer that. 0%

Now, let's say that it was an option. Paying Cousins the franchise tag would be less than playing Flacco's salary. Giving up resources to pay more money for an older QB who some people argue sucks, instead of franchising your QB who you are on the fence about, giving yourself another year to decide? I know the Rs are whacky but that's really dumb.

  2 hours ago, nj_ravens said:

  2 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

  2 hours ago, nj_ravens said:

  3 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

  4 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

It was, indeed, painful to see how often Flacco threw to targets yards short of the yellow line on third downs. TRhis, and his apparent utter reluctance to speed up things in the 2-minute drill periods, casually jogging to the line like there were minutes left, when the clock showed 35 seconds, with one timeout - only to throw a pass short ofd the first down marker, to the middle of the field, leaving no chance for the target to step out of bounds stopping the clock... It genuinely seemed like he couldn't care less if he tried... And I'm not saying it was the case - but it certainly seemed so.

Unfortunately.... our FO and HC stated after the season that they thought Joe's injury hurt him this year. I think that survival does (just as you mentioned) to people. They don't make the decisions that are best for the team but the best for survival. Get the ball out of your hand ASAP and hope for the best. That is what Joes season looked like. I guess that I get that from Joe's end... the problem that I have with it... is that if the FO and HC knew that he was unable to perform at the necessary level and that he was simply making survival decisions... why was it allowed to continue.

Why not play Mallet a few games and give us a chance? That is in no way suggesting that Mallet is better then Joe -just say that Mallet is better then a 50% Joe- who cannot go through his progressions bc of the injury that he has or bc of the fear of exacerbating his injury.

because where do you draw the line? was he 50%? Was he 65%? I don't think they knew, I think the HC and FO were speaking in hindsight.

I don't know what % - I just know he wasn't 100% and couldn't go through his progressions. Wouldn't stand in the pocket and give plays the necessary time to develop and refused to manipulate the pocket enough to give a less then perfect play the chance to work.

Not sure how any OC of offense for that matter can be successful when the QB is holding the offense hostage. Like I stated before. I am a Joe Flacco fan and when confident and healthy.... I think we have a guys who has and can win us super bowls.

But when he is not healthy... why not give us a chance to win and at the same time allow him to get healthy and re-gain his confidence... not set him back!

Again, my opinion is that because there was no reinjury, they didn't really know he was still not healthy until they watched him play for an extended period (hindsight). And even Joe said he wouldn't really know how he would feel until he went out there.

If his problem was confidence, I STRONGLY disagree that BENCHING him would be beneficial for his confidence. If they had started Mallett week 1 and waited for Joe to feel better that would be a different story. But as soon as Joe decided he was ready for week 1, that option goes out the window.

Agreed that benching him 1/2 way through the season would have been a disaster. I do think that he should have been evaluated more thoroughly in the pre-season. Allowed to play more to either get his rhythm back, to re-gain confidence and to give the coaching staff a better gauge on where Joe was at.

Since that didn't happen.... the only option would have been to announce that he aggravated the knee further, play him on the injury list -assuring him that when healthy the position is his but at the same time... allowing us a chance to win and Joe a chance to heal.

Confidence was an issue and that was evident in the way he would simply check down and not allow plays to develop (survival). But not confidence in his ability but in his health.

He clearly looked uneasy in the pocket and I think his lack of confidence in his knee caused him to quickly check everything down and make decisions that were out of survival.

I hear what you are saying and agree that just benching him would have been the wrong move... but I am also saying that knowing that Joe was coming off of a serious injury should have prompted us to do our homework more and we should have been more vigilant... not needing hindsight but honest evaluation based on preseason reps and game situations.

We also should had the foresight, once we knew where he really was to be able to handle this without causing a storm of controversy and further damaging the credibility of our franchise QB...(which is ironically what we ended up doing anyways).

Lets just hope that we can put the pieces around him this year to keep him upright and successful.

"Since that didn't happen.... the only option would have been to announce that he aggravated the knee further, play him on the injury list -assuring him that when healthy the position is his but at the same time... allowing us a chance to win and Joe a chance to heal. "

This is exactly my point. That is not an option. He didn't reinjure himself. I know we do some IR magic with low level roster guys but you can't just say your QB is hurt if he's not. Plus, then you get all the questions about "is it a full tear? Are you going to see dr andrews? blah blah" What your suggesting is a benching based on performance even if you word it some other way.

Otherwise we agree.

Curious if we could make something work with the Skins as far as trading Flacco if their arrangement(or lack there of ) with Cousins falls through. Joe's contract is beyond absurd, cant wait until we are no longer held hostage by it and captain back foot lob pass.

There is exactly 0% chance this will happen. It's not even worth speculating.