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Apologies in advance for how long this post will be - because i was using excel to collate everything it's difficult for it to format well into this forum: i considered just putting it all on a google drive for y'all but that doesn't really seem like the done thing here... If it is I can maybe collate it all on a google drive and post a link to make it easier... Apologies as well for the bizarre post earlier that obviously didn't work. I'll start with my mock because it's easiest i reckon. I tried not to be too obvious as far as possible but within reason so a lot of the picks will look familiar I imagine. I fully mocked 2 rounds and then drafted in the ball park for the other picks: MOCK DRAFT Round 1 1) Browns - Myles Garrett - EDGE 2) 49ers - Jonathan Allen - DL: I find it hard to see the 49ers three-peating with DL in the first but the Jets kind of did it in the past and there's no offensive talent for Shanahan to clamour for at this spot. I could very much see the 49ers trying to trade out of this spot for a team that loves a qb and thinks the bears / jets will take one. 3) Bears - Solomon Thomas - DL: Thomas is a missing piece on that defence but I could also see the Bears trying to trade out of this spot too - it's reported that both the Jets and Browns are interested in Trubisky but there were quotes from a scout saying the Jets were in love with Trubisky but that he wouldn't make it to 6 - I personally have a feeling that's a Titans scout trying to scare a team into trading with them at number 5. 4) Jaguars - Leonard Fournette - RB 5) Titans - Jamal Adams - S 6) Jets - Marshon Lattimore - CB: The jets may take Trubisky but I'm going to err away from the side of sensationalism. 7) Chargers - Malik Hooker - S 8) Panthers - OJ Howard - TE: Greg Olsen is getting older and there are no linemen worthy of this pick I think - OJ Howard gives Cam Newton a weapon he'll find it hard to miss. 9) Bengals - Derek Barnett - EDGE: Game-changer off the edge, I'd hate this but it makes a lot of sense. 10) Bills - Mike Williams - WR: They need help opposite Sammy Watkins (or to replace him when he's injured) 11) Saints - Reuben Foster - ILB 12) Browns - Mitchell Trubisky - QB: They apparently really like him so if he falls to 12 I see them pulling the trigger. 13) Cardinals - Deshaun Watson - QB: I struggled with this pick so looked around the league - I have the impression that the Cardinals are happy at qb but there is a growing idea that they'll pick a qb here. 14) Eagles - Dalvin Cook - RB 15) Colts - Forest Lamp - OL 16) Ravens - Corey Davis - WR: He's a different kind of receiver to what Flacco has at the moment. The worries about the level of competition are obviously real but I have confidence that he can transition well because of his elite route-running skills and ability to hands-catch. 17) Washington - Haason Reddick - LB 18) Titans - John Ross - WR 19) Bucs - Christian Mccaffrey - RB 20) Broncos - Cam Robinson - OL 21) Lions - Tim Williams - EDGE 22) Dolphins - Zach Cunningham - ILB 23) Giants - Ryan Ramcyzk - OL 24) Raiders - Marlon Humphrey - CB 25) Texans - Garrett Bolles - OL 26) Seahawks - Teez Tabor - CB 27) Chiefs - Dan Feeney - OL 28) Cowboys - Gareon Conley - CB 29) Packers - Taco Charlton - EDGE 30) Steelers - Takk Mckinley - EDGE 31) Falcons - Budda Baker - S 32) Saints - Tredavius White - CB: I'm assuming the trade for Malcolm Butler doesn't happen and that the Saints need a corner. Round 2 1) Browns - Obi Melifonwu - S 2) 49ers - Quincy Wilson - CB 3) Jags - Jabrill Peppers - S 4) Bears - Deshone Kizer - QB 5) Rams - Charles Harris - EDGE 6) Chargers: Jarrad Davis - EDGE 7) Jets - Alvin Kamara - RB 8) Panthers - Adoree Jackson - CB 9) Bengals - Cooper Kupp - WR 10) Saints - Malik Mcdowell - DL 11) Eagles - David Njoku - TE 12) Bills - Patrick Mahomes - QB 13) Cardinals - Pat Elflein - OL 14) Colts - TJ Watt - EDGE 15) Ravens - Carl Lawson - EDGE: The injuries are a potential issue but he has legitimate first round talent and can wreck off the edge which is why he probably is untouchable for the ravens until now. Ryan Anderson/Evan Engram could be the pick if we are too uncomfortable with his injuries. 16) Vikings - Zay Jones - WR 17) Washington - Davis Webb - QB 18) Bucs - Ryan Anderson - EDGE 19) Broncos - Dion Dawkins - OL 20) Browns - Chidobe Awuzie - CB 21) Lions - Joe Mixon - RB 22) Dolphins - Jourdan Lewis - CB 23) Giants - Sidney Jones - CB 24) Raiders - Dont'a Foreman - RB 25) Texans - Evan Engram - TE 26) Seahawks - Taylor Moton - OL 27) Chiefs - Dede Westbrook - WR 28) Cowboys - Demarcus Walker - EDGE 29) Packers - Tanoh Kpassagnon - EDGE 30) Steelers - Kevin King - CB 31) Falcons - Ethan Pocic - OL 32) Panthers - Curtis Samuel - WR Round 3 Fabian Moreau - CB: A highly accomplished corner with first round talent who will most likely fall a little bit due to the sheer numbers of corners and the injury that will keep him out of OTAs etc. If he is taken then I could see Isaac Asiata or Howard Wilson being the pick here. Akhello Witherspoon - CB: Double dipping at corner might not be expected here but I think these guys could be the BPA picks at both these spots. Witherspoon is a brilliant cover corner who maybe shies away from contact too much but could maybe see a philosophy change once he's getting good money to make tackles and in our case to even get on the field. I could see these two corners developing really well together behind carr, smith and with tavon. Round 4 Anthony Garcia - OL: An interesting tackle prospect with some elite traits. He has great quickness and the ability to mirror edge rushers, is rarely beaten with speed. His major problem and it may not be fixable even in an NFL weight program is his body frame - he mostly plays under 300 which isnt ideal and im not sure he has the frame to add much more weight. He could be a useful addition to the right tackle competition - but i wonder how he'd hold up against bull rushers. Round 5 Donnel Pumphrey - RB: He's mocked to us a lot I think around here and I wanted to do something new but he makes a lot of sense. Running back help including someone with a twitchy type speed albeit maybe it isnt quite the breakaway speed we've been yearning. Round 6 Deatrich Wise Jr - EDGE: A guy who didn't have the greatest production but didnt show too many reasons why it wasnt working. He has potential as a late guy - probably projected in the 5th but I could see him dropping down to this round just because of all the combine notables and other guys who have more production this last year. BIG BOARD Player Position 1 Myles Garrett EDGE 2 Jamal Adams S 3 Malik Hooker S 4 Derek Barnett EDGE 5 Reuben Foster ILB 6 Jonathan Allen DL 7 Marshon Lattimore CB 8 Corey Davis WR 9 Mike Williams WR 10 Leonard Fournette RB 11 Tim Williams EDGE 12 Cam Robinson OL 13 Solomon Thomas DL 14 Dalvin Cook RB 15 OJ Howard TE 16 Hasson Reddick EDGE 17 Gareon Conley CB 18 Charles Harris EDGE 19 Quincy Wilson CB 20 Marlon Humphrey CB 21 Forest Lamp OL 22 TJ Watt EDGE 23 Budda Baker S 24 John Ross WR 25 Tradavius White CB 26 Garrett Bolles OL 27 Jabrill Peppers S 28 Dan Feeney OL 29 Ryan Ramcyzk OL 30 Christian Mccaffrey RB 31 Malik Mcdowell DL 32 Taco Charlton EDGE 33 Pat Elflein OL 34 Obi Melifonwu S 35 Adoree Jackson CB 36 Carl Lawson EDGE 37 David Njoku TE 38 Takk Mckinley EDGE 39 Ryan Anderson EDGE 40 Evan Engram TE 41 Chidobe Awuzie CB 42 Zay Jones WR 43 Zach Cunningham ILB 44 Fabian Moreau CB 45 Juju Smith-Schuster WR 46 Cooper Kupp WR 47 Tanoh Kpassagnon EDGE 48 Sidney Jones CB 49 Desmond King CB 50 Dion Dawkins OL 51 Jarrad Davis ILB 52 Alvin Kamara RB 53 Demarcus Walker EDGE 54 Ethan Pocic OL 55 Bucky Hodges TE 56 Teez Tabor CB 57 Chris Godwin WR 58 Raekwon Mcmillan ILB 59 Caleb Brentley DL 60 Marcus Williams S 61 Jourdan Lewis CB 62 Marcus Maye S 63 Isaiah Ford WR 64 Kevin King CB 65 Cam Sutton CB 66 Isaac Asiata OL 67 Gerald Everett TE 68 Rasul Douglas CB 69 Curtis Samuel WR 70 Jordan Willis EDGE 71 Ahkello Witherspoon CB 72 Justin Evans S 73 Cordrea Tankersley CB 74 Howard Wilson CB 75 Duke Riley ILB 76 Taylor Moton OL 77 Damontae Kazee CB 78 Taywan Taylor WR 79 Tarrell Basham EDGE 80 Dont'a Foreman RB 81 Derek Rivers EDGE 82 Corn Elder CB 83 Samaje Perrine RB 84 Carlos Henderson WR 85 Anthony Garcia OL 86 Montravius Adams DL 87 Tyus Bowser EDGE 88 Chris Wormley DL 89 Erik Magnuson OL 90 Tyler Orlosky OL 91 Eddie Jackson S 92 Jordan Legget TE 93 Larry Ogunjobi DL 94 Shaquill Griffin CB 95 Ardarius Stewart WR 96 Jaleel Johnson DL 97 Carroll Phillips EDGE 98 Ejuan Price EDGE 99 Dawuane Smoot EDGE 100 Kareem Hunt RB 101 Jarron Jones DL 102 Adam Bisnowaty OL 103 Julie'n Davenport OL 104 Carlos Watkins DL 105 Kyle Fuller OL 106 Vince Biegel EDGE 107 Amara Darboh WR 108 Dalvin Tomlinson DL 109 Jake Butt TE 110 Nazair Jones DL 111 Ryan Switzer WR 112 Charles Walker DL 113 Josh Jones S 114 Kendall Beckwith ILB 115 KD Cannon WR 116 Tanzel Smart DL 117 Dorian Johnson OL 118 Jalen Myrick CB 119 Corey Clement RB 120 Roderick Johnson OL 121 Elijah Qualls DL 122 Brian Allen CB 123 Jadar Johnson S 124 Malachi Dupre WR 125 Noah Brown WR 126 Josh Reynolds WR 127 Wayne Gallman RB 128 Soujorn Shelton CB 129 Jordan Morgan OL 130 David Sharpe OL 131 Artavis Scott WR 132 John Johnson S 133 Donnell Pumphrey RB 134 Eddie Vanderdoes DL 135 Elijah Lee ILB 136 Deatrich Wise Jr EDGE 137 Amba Etta-Tawo WR 138 Joe Mathis EDGE 139 Ryan Glasgow DL 140 Trestan Decoud CB 141 Vincent Taylor DL 142 Alex Anzalone ILB 143 Jon Toth OL 144 DJ Jones DL 145 Jalen Robinette WR 146 Anthony Walker ILB 147 Darreus Rogers WR 148 Jay Guillermo OL 149 De'Veon Smith RB 150 Davon Godchaux DL 151 Chad Hansen WR 152 Ben Boulware ILB 153 Freddie Stevenson FB 154 Brendan Langley CB 155 Montae Nicholson S 156 Tashawn Bower EDGE 157 Tarik Cohen RB 158 Channing Stribling CB 159 Rayshawn Jenkins S 160 Lorenzo Jerome S 161 Marquell Lee ILB 162 TJ Logan RB 163 Marquez White CB 164 Bryan Cox DL 165 Jeremiah Ledbitter DL 166 Jamal Carter S 167 Jalen Reeves-Maybin ILB 168 Sam Rogers FB I'll post my Qbs in order as well but the colour coding no longer works here but just as a reference point, I have all the qbs either in Jarron Jones's tier (starting at 101) or below it Mitch Trubisky QB Deshaun Watson QB Deshone Kizer QB Patrick Mahomes QB Brad Kaaya QB Davis Webb QB Nate Peterman QB Josh Dobbs QB Chad Kelly QB Jerod Evans QB Seth Russell QB CJ Beathard QB And here is the positional breakdown of the big board Position Draftable Players QB 11 RB 13 FB 2 OL 22 WR 23 TE 7 EDGE 23 DL 22 ILB 12 S 16 CB 28 TOTAL 179 Thanks for the read if you made it this far. Let me know what you think about the mock, the board, about maybe putting this on a google drive if that's easier. Oh yeah, and just for everyone's sanity, please don't quote this whole post...

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The Ravens haven't figured this out in their entire existence...

Still don't get the hate for Ross 🤔Didn't the guy just have a 17 touchdown season?

With the 19th pick in the 5th round of the 2017 Forum Mock Draft, the Cincinnati Bengals select: RB, Marlon Mack, UCF

You forgot the Lee Evans/Billy Cundiff fiasco and the Boldin dropped pass - both money passes by Flacco.

Barnett's done it against NFL level competition. Got 3 sacks going up against Tunsil in 2015. Most still think he'll be a great LT in the league. He abused Cam Robinson who is an NFL talent. Looked good and was productive against DJ Humphries. Will Holden, David Sharpe, Kendall Baker who are all NFL level talents. And he's had some of his best, most dominant performances against the guys most viewed to be guaranteed NFL talents... and high end talents (depending on position with Cam) against Alabama and Ole Miss. Granted it's no guarantee. And this is one I can't wait to bring back up once we see him play in the NFL... but theres a lot more to like than just his bend. Its the way he sets up his pass rushes and has a plan of attack, his polished moves/counter moves, the footwork, his finishing ability, and his combo of hand fighting, footwork, and bend that allow him to take the most direct path to the QB which allows him to get there just as quickly as some of the guys who are more athletic than him but have to take a more rounded route to the QB. The only reason he gets the Suggs comp is bc hes a guy that on tape clearly has elite talent, has probably the most NFL ready skill set of any pass rusher ive seen in some time but at the very least in this draft class thats strong on pass rushers, has elite, steady production over 3 years against arguably the best competition available, and is a hardworking leader thats also a really good kid by all accounts who could only fall due to over-valuing raw athleticism. But we will see.

I'll bite. John Ross and Cam Robinson are high up on my "do not touch" lists. I don't like either, but thanks to an amazing combine from Ross he will probably go high. Likely to us which would piss me the hell off. Cam Robinson I don't like either, and if we draft him I'll call for Ozzie's head. Ramcyzk is the superior prospect.

No way do i think Peppers goes before we're on the clock. Howard may not go Top 15. I think he will, but i dont think in any way its a lock. Foster could slip. At least one team in the Top 15 has him off their board completely, and with Reddick's ascension a team looking for that ILB could decide Reddick's versatility, athleticism, and ability to pass rush is more worth it than Foster. I could see Williams being available. It's not likely, but if say Tenn falls in love with Ross and someone else views Davis as the #1 guy -- Williams could slide. Idk that its even a guarantee that any Top 15 team goes WR with all the defensive talent available. Wouldnt be totally surprised is both Williams and Davis were on the board. I also dont think Barnett is a lock to go Top 15. With Reddick flying up boards, Tim Williams red flags dissipating to a degree, and Takk, Taco and Harris all having more athletic gifts -- we've seen teams fall in love with that raw ability/upside over the proven, polished play maker. And, literally every mock generator i do that matches big board up with team needs, seems to have Barnett over looked. Even when hes rated properly on the big board as the 3-10th prospect.... he gets passed for some reason. Browns are taking Garret, and then outside that who has a need for pass rusher or doesnt have another highly rated prospect available to them at a position of greater need? If Barnett gets past NO i think he's there for us. Maybe Carolina, maybe Cinci, and then NO. Only teams i could see going for him. But cant see Carolina passing up on Fournette, Adams, Hooker, or Lattimore. All or most should be available. Cant see Cinci going pass rush if Foster's there. I could see them go Williams before Barnett too. NO's the only one. But i could see them go secondary if they have a highly rated player available (Lattimore if available, Humphrey, Conley, etc..). So i wouldnt say 100% no. Its certainly possible. I mean no one wouldve said Tunsil was gonna be there for Miami and that 2-3 tackles would go ahead of him. but they did.

I expect multiple superbowls too from Harbaugh/Flacco era.. But you gotta get back to Ravens football. Ravens Smashmouth identity. Ground and pound, playaction deep pass style game, not sling it 45x a game like last year and when Joe lead nfl in passing attempts.

Once the Ravens actually have a contract signed by Mosley that keeps him here for "many, many, many years", then I'll believe it. But sadly, even with contracts these days nothing is guaranteed.

It may be time to stop looking at mock drafts when you start seeing Dorian Johnson as a first round pick. There was also two OL that went in the top 10.

I think people over estimate Jernigan's value. He tends to disappear for long stretches at a time and lost playing time to Carl Davis. He has moments of being good, but he's not a great player, or someone that you build your defense around.

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Exactly! Thank you lol. The guy is a legit play maker and he will kill people in space at the next level.

I agree entirely on Ross but disagree about cam - he doesn't fill a need if he plays guard but I really think he could be an excellent and dominant guard in the NFL

Dont like the idea of Ross with our 1st. Just dont want another guy whose main asset is speed. It's great, and could lead to an explosive offense -- but hes already got an extensive injury history, and speed is a trait that can diminish with injuries. He's more well rounded than most speed guys in that hes not a one dimensional, one-trick pony.... but take away the speed and the other traits arent worth a 1st round pick. Not even close. King i actually do like. Great height, length, athleticism combo. Has a frame to actually fill out even more to where he could bully even the biggest, most physical receivers in the league. And great at tracking/denying the ball; especially deep. May not be a day 1 plug and play type of guy like some of the others, but we dont necessarily need that with Carr here and his upside is tremendous. And Magnuson i actually like, but think its a bit early here. I like Moton and he could be around here... if Elflein is available im definitely going him here over the RT. I actually really like Jordan Morgan out of Kutztown in this range, maybe a little later, over Magnuson. 6'4", 310-320 lb dude, 4 yr starter at LT who probably projects better to guard but I think could play RT. Has great feet and is a nasty, mauling dude.

Some men just want to watch the world burn

I like it. I don't love it but that's ok. Like too see different names. I think Magnuson is a bit of a reach and would prefer Dawkins. Also don't like perine. We already have west and Dixon we need a home run threat. I really like Marlon Mack from usf for us in the same round

2nd round pick for Jernigan who's gone next year anyway is a coup. I'd be on board 100% Jernigans talent is real but his lack of consistency is frustrating. Some team really could make a play for him because they want to contribute now and have first dibs at getting him long term, trade for him and avoid a bidding war, extend him with a prove it deal. Makes sense. Doubt it happens though

What do you guys think of Dareus Rogers WR USC. He's 6-1 215 so he has good size and seems to have very reliable ball skills. Fits the mold of "possession reciever" just haven't heard much from him. He's really been flying under the radar and I like what I see. He fights for the ball and most importantly for a receiver, he uses his HANDS to catch the ball.

Absolutely agree. A few other things will help immensely- keeping the same OC, just so the pass play and blocking schemes can remain intact. Next improve the running game- big plays and yds per down, first downs and TD's. Reduce penalties and lastly increase time of possession. Do those things and this team has a shot at the trophy.

With the 20th pick in the 5th round the NYG select: Nazair Jones | DT | UNC

I have to agree. Beckham had Deandre Hopkins hands and an Antonio brown body with good body control. Ross is good. Just not good enough for 16. I'd rather take an OL or pass rusher

When we traded in my daughter's RR jersey, we got her Mosley. I knew he'd be around. I love that kid. What a great player. The quintessential Raven.

Since it sounds like the team is done until the draft, I can honestly say that I'm a little confused on the direction of this team. I know the draft is still yet to happen but I don't really see the plan here. Are we retooling or are we going for it? The same holes still exist as they have for years now - WR, OL, OLB, and CB. We made an attempt at filling CB in Carr but that's clearly a 1-2 year stopgap and nothing more. We opted to spend our money on positions that weren't really needs. Tony Jefferson is obviously the big get. I can't complain about this one since he's young and a clear signing for the future, but I still find it interesting how much we spent on him when we at least had a viable option already on the roster in Webb, even if it was short term. Woodhead wasn't expensive, but still interesting that we chose to invest there when you have a bevy of RBs in the draft. I love Williams but his re-signing still confuses me in the grand scheme of things. I like getting him back but I still question whether it was the best use of money considering none of our holes have been filled, and you had a guy that maybe you had to rely on stepping up. Furthermore, we've opted to keep all 87 of our tight ends for the time being. I know we have a young group but I see no point in having both Pitta and Watson on the roster when that cap could probably be better used, but I guess there's still time for that to happen. Overall, I guess I'm just failing to see the direction. We invested in a few stopgaps and a few younger players, but still have the same holes. Is that a team that can compete?

A lot of number 1 receivers have been integral in getting their team to the superbowl though or close - just because the big game is annually taken over by the patriots doesn't mean those number 1 guys on other teams aren't worth the money

Man if all these CBs turn out to be what everyone thinks they are it's gonna be hard to throw in this league lol.

With the 16th Pick in the 5th Round, The Baltimore Ravens Select Shaquill Griffin CB Central Florida

With the 15th Pick in the 5th Round, The Baltimore Ravens Select Jeremy McNichols RB Boise State

Ok so the reasons I don't like john Ross at 16 are these: 1) minus his speed he is not the best at anything in this receiver corps - mike Williams is better with contested catches, Corey Davis is much better at route running and extending his body, juju smith is better at high pointing the ball, Dede Westbrook is a better pure deep threat, zay jones has better hands and Ross is smaller than all of the above etc. etc. John Ross's only elite quality is his deep speed which isn't enough at 16 - this is not say he's bad or even average at the above things but given the elite speed the Ravens possess already - he doesn't add elite qualities at other skills in the corps - he'd be a good trade back option but the quality of alternatives at 16 will be much higher 2) the injuries really are an issue - not just because of his history but because of his frame - he's not a big receiver even if he occasionally does play beyond his size - he will take much more wear and tear on his smaller frame than other available receivers in this draft which makes him unreliable or at least a risk which is not really something the Ravens can afford at receiver given perriman, campanaro, Pitta, Watson and maxx Williams injury issues and Boyle and Waller's suspension history 3) the need at receiver, while large, is nowhere near as high as edge rusher, corner, offensive lineman - I know the Ravens always trust the board and go BPA at every pick but a significant part of the formula for creating the board includes need n.b. Just to address the hype and play-speed criticism, id like to say that I disagree that Ross hype is purely based on the combine because the combine results, while extraordinary, were never out of the realm of possibility because he really does look that quick on film, and the play-speed issue - I don't see that when I watch his film at all - he always looks like the fastest guy on the field by a distance and yet given all this, I'd still hate the pick at 16 because I don't think there any situation where he's the best player available - to dismiss him as a prospect is spiteful and stupid and he may well blow up the league at another club but I don't like the to at the Ravens - there's a reason I have him in the 20s on my big board and part of that is the Ravens-centric aspect of it - he may well be higher on other teams' board - and with good reason - he just doesn't make sense either in terms of fit or value with the Ravens at 16

well he nevah shuld of left. to bring him back wuld be serreous crow eatin and those egos might not have that in em so we hav to see but wiff joes trait for comfort with a ball catcha hes the gu y all for Gordon and tossin some dice. beggas cant be choosas

Well it's not post combine hype he's a big play waiting to happen from anywhere on the field. There is this misconception about him that he's just a speedy guy where he can actually run all the routes in a route tree look at the film you see that.

pretty sure he's got an ounce of other stuff already

With the 14th pick of the 5th round in the 2017 Forum Mock Draft, the New York Jets Select Cole Hikutini, Move TE

Obviously it helps to simply be "better", but for the defense, there's no reason that a unit that plays so well throughout the game should keep crumbling in clutch situations. In the last 2 years, the Ravens lead the league in games lost when the offense had a 4th qtr, go ahead drive. I think the main problem there is the soft, scared coverage they play late in games. They're so afraid of giving up the big play, they just let the qb play pitch and catch down the field. Dean Pees acknowledged that the DBs were playing too far off on that last drive in pitts, so why not do something about it? The secondary staying healthy would go a long way as well. The offense just needs more playmakers. Rodney Harrison was right last year. It's not good when your best playmaker by far is a 37 year old coming off an Achilles tear.

I say Jordan Willis DE from Kansas state heard the Saints Really like him so he could be that weird top 12 pick

Who doesn't like a good hooker.

With the 8th pick in the 5th round of the 2017 Forum Draft, the Seattle Seahawks select..... Chad Kelly | QB | Ole Miss

He's an extremely rangy center fielder that the Ravens defense has missed for awhile. We're kinda set at safety now and he's a bit of a luxury pick, but still, he could be one of the top 5 safeties in the league after a bit more experience.

I've been trying to post on other outlets since this will be closing ... Ravens Facebook fans smh. Spent several back and forth comments arguing with a guy lol. It started with his preference of Derrick Henry instead of Correa ( ok sure we have our own draft fantasy scenarios ). Then the guy says "they screwed that up just like the year we traded back to get Kindle and missed out on drafting Dez Bryant since we traded back lol" i said thats the exact opposite of what happen Dallas traded up and stole Dez Bryant right from us then the team traded back since Bryant was gone. enter name calling ( oh boy I'll miss this little message board ) lol

I think there is where your perception of what our needs were was misguided. One key thing I'm seeing on this board that has recently become popular... fans aren't listening to what the FO tells them. Too many fans think the FO is being deceptive or lying to everybody. They're not. The FO told you that they wanted to add multiple corners. They added Carr, and are fully expected to add one in the draft. They told you they wanted to get younger at Safety. Hello Tony Jefferson, goodbye Webb. Other things they said... beef up the Offensive line. We kind of knew this wasn't something that was likely to happen in FA, because we knew we needed a Center and a RT. Neither position yielded much in FA whatsoever, and we knew that going in. Again, seems like a very strong sense of addressing this in the draft or with players already on the roster. The only position I've seen so far where I expected the FO to address in FA and didn't was WR, and that was likely due to some of the outrageous prices of possession WRs in this class. In terms of pass rushers, again, the FO already gave us a clue as to their stance... its not as important to them as it is to fans. They like some of the guys we have already, and they don't feel that its a drastic need. Will we still add one? Of course, because we do just about every year. I think its key that fans invest more time in LISTENING. These issues have been addressed publicly already, and if people listened to what they told us, a lot of their priorities have been addressed or covered already, and some of them aren't in sync with what fans think the priorities are or should be.

Indeed...this is yet another example of very vague/unclear wording of the rules that I anticipate will lead to a lot of confusion and controversy.

And that's where the confusion comes. What is the plan? Are we contending or building for the future? The obvious choice is a little bit of both but it hasn't been that cut and dry so far. There are options in rounds 2-4 but there are also 3-4 other positions you seemingly have to hit that you'd like to get in that range as well. I get what you're saying but to this point, the offense as a whole has largely been ignored and it's tough to see a plan there.

That type of deal essentially makes Jernigan a throw in piece. I feel like his value to this team is being severely understated right now. He's certainly inconsistent, but even if he walks after the year, he's certainly more valuable to us on the field than the proposed pick most people would accept in return. The only ways moving on from Jernigan makes sense is if it's a swap for another position of need, you get great value, or the team is intent on this being a rebuilding year which has already been proven to not be the case. I think the reality is that trading Jernigan doesn't make sense. If you can get a 2nd or maybe a 3rd out of him, great. I don't see that as being anywhere close to likely though. For a 4th or later, I'd rather just have him on field production for one more year.

Its not going to be front page Ravens news, Some of us were at the open camp last year, saw him get in the fights, basically get removed from practice and things seemed to go wrong from there. The last place you want to have "on the field problems" is in your own camp, especially as a rookie. The kid had some growing to do, lets just leave it at that. So its a new year, a new beginning and he has grown as a Raven. Its time to earn respect on the field, in the position and show the talent that he has. I think the young player has talent. Looking forward to a new season and good things from him.

Marlon Humphrey is overvalued and I don't like him in the first.

So our problem is that we're really good at finding starter to star level ILB's through UDFA? Struggling to see the problem....

If the Ravens go OT in the first round, I'd really prefer Ramczyk over Robinson. He's a far more natural fit at tackle on the NFL level than Cam will be. Granted, I don't want to go OT in the first either way, but if we are I'd rather have the sure prospect over the guy with a lot of "coachable" bad habits.