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Apologies in advance for how long this post will be - because i was using excel to collate everything it's difficult for it to format well into this forum: i considered just putting it all on a google drive for y'all but that doesn't really seem like the done thing here... If it is I can maybe collate it all on a google drive and post a link to make it easier... Apologies as well for the bizarre post earlier that obviously didn't work. I'll start with my mock because it's easiest i reckon. I tried not to be too obvious as far as possible but within reason so a lot of the picks will look familiar I imagine. I fully mocked 2 rounds and then drafted in the ball park for the other picks: MOCK DRAFT Round 1 1) Browns - Myles Garrett - EDGE 2) 49ers - Jonathan Allen - DL: I find it hard to see the 49ers three-peating with DL in the first but the Jets kind of did it in the past and there's no offensive talent for Shanahan to clamour for at this spot. I could very much see the 49ers trying to trade out of this spot for a team that loves a qb and thinks the bears / jets will take one. 3) Bears - Solomon Thomas - DL: Thomas is a missing piece on that defence but I could also see the Bears trying to trade out of this spot too - it's reported that both the Jets and Browns are interested in Trubisky but there were quotes from a scout saying the Jets were in love with Trubisky but that he wouldn't make it to 6 - I personally have a feeling that's a Titans scout trying to scare a team into trading with them at number 5. 4) Jaguars - Leonard Fournette - RB 5) Titans - Jamal Adams - S 6) Jets - Marshon Lattimore - CB: The jets may take Trubisky but I'm going to err away from the side of sensationalism. 7) Chargers - Malik Hooker - S 8) Panthers - OJ Howard - TE: Greg Olsen is getting older and there are no linemen worthy of this pick I think - OJ Howard gives Cam Newton a weapon he'll find it hard to miss. 9) Bengals - Derek Barnett - EDGE: Game-changer off the edge, I'd hate this but it makes a lot of sense. 10) Bills - Mike Williams - WR: They need help opposite Sammy Watkins (or to replace him when he's injured) 11) Saints - Reuben Foster - ILB 12) Browns - Mitchell Trubisky - QB: They apparently really like him so if he falls to 12 I see them pulling the trigger. 13) Cardinals - Deshaun Watson - QB: I struggled with this pick so looked around the league - I have the impression that the Cardinals are happy at qb but there is a growing idea that they'll pick a qb here. 14) Eagles - Dalvin Cook - RB 15) Colts - Forest Lamp - OL 16) Ravens - Corey Davis - WR: He's a different kind of receiver to what Flacco has at the moment. The worries about the level of competition are obviously real but I have confidence that he can transition well because of his elite route-running skills and ability to hands-catch. 17) Washington - Haason Reddick - LB 18) Titans - John Ross - WR 19) Bucs - Christian Mccaffrey - RB 20) Broncos - Cam Robinson - OL 21) Lions - Tim Williams - EDGE 22) Dolphins - Zach Cunningham - ILB 23) Giants - Ryan Ramcyzk - OL 24) Raiders - Marlon Humphrey - CB 25) Texans - Garrett Bolles - OL 26) Seahawks - Teez Tabor - CB 27) Chiefs - Dan Feeney - OL 28) Cowboys - Gareon Conley - CB 29) Packers - Taco Charlton - EDGE 30) Steelers - Takk Mckinley - EDGE 31) Falcons - Budda Baker - S 32) Saints - Tredavius White - CB: I'm assuming the trade for Malcolm Butler doesn't happen and that the Saints need a corner. Round 2 1) Browns - Obi Melifonwu - S 2) 49ers - Quincy Wilson - CB 3) Jags - Jabrill Peppers - S 4) Bears - Deshone Kizer - QB 5) Rams - Charles Harris - EDGE 6) Chargers: Jarrad Davis - EDGE 7) Jets - Alvin Kamara - RB 8) Panthers - Adoree Jackson - CB 9) Bengals - Cooper Kupp - WR 10) Saints - Malik Mcdowell - DL 11) Eagles - David Njoku - TE 12) Bills - Patrick Mahomes - QB 13) Cardinals - Pat Elflein - OL 14) Colts - TJ Watt - EDGE 15) Ravens - Carl Lawson - EDGE: The injuries are a potential issue but he has legitimate first round talent and can wreck off the edge which is why he probably is untouchable for the ravens until now. Ryan Anderson/Evan Engram could be the pick if we are too uncomfortable with his injuries. 16) Vikings - Zay Jones - WR 17) Washington - Davis Webb - QB 18) Bucs - Ryan Anderson - EDGE 19) Broncos - Dion Dawkins - OL 20) Browns - Chidobe Awuzie - CB 21) Lions - Joe Mixon - RB 22) Dolphins - Jourdan Lewis - CB 23) Giants - Sidney Jones - CB 24) Raiders - Dont'a Foreman - RB 25) Texans - Evan Engram - TE 26) Seahawks - Taylor Moton - OL 27) Chiefs - Dede Westbrook - WR 28) Cowboys - Demarcus Walker - EDGE 29) Packers - Tanoh Kpassagnon - EDGE 30) Steelers - Kevin King - CB 31) Falcons - Ethan Pocic - OL 32) Panthers - Curtis Samuel - WR Round 3 Fabian Moreau - CB: A highly accomplished corner with first round talent who will most likely fall a little bit due to the sheer numbers of corners and the injury that will keep him out of OTAs etc. If he is taken then I could see Isaac Asiata or Howard Wilson being the pick here. Akhello Witherspoon - CB: Double dipping at corner might not be expected here but I think these guys could be the BPA picks at both these spots. Witherspoon is a brilliant cover corner who maybe shies away from contact too much but could maybe see a philosophy change once he's getting good money to make tackles and in our case to even get on the field. I could see these two corners developing really well together behind carr, smith and with tavon. Round 4 Anthony Garcia - OL: An interesting tackle prospect with some elite traits. He has great quickness and the ability to mirror edge rushers, is rarely beaten with speed. His major problem and it may not be fixable even in an NFL weight program is his body frame - he mostly plays under 300 which isnt ideal and im not sure he has the frame to add much more weight. He could be a useful addition to the right tackle competition - but i wonder how he'd hold up against bull rushers. Round 5 Donnel Pumphrey - RB: He's mocked to us a lot I think around here and I wanted to do something new but he makes a lot of sense. Running back help including someone with a twitchy type speed albeit maybe it isnt quite the breakaway speed we've been yearning. Round 6 Deatrich Wise Jr - EDGE: A guy who didn't have the greatest production but didnt show too many reasons why it wasnt working. He has potential as a late guy - probably projected in the 5th but I could see him dropping down to this round just because of all the combine notables and other guys who have more production this last year. BIG BOARD Player Position 1 Myles Garrett EDGE 2 Jamal Adams S 3 Malik Hooker S 4 Derek Barnett EDGE 5 Reuben Foster ILB 6 Jonathan Allen DL 7 Marshon Lattimore CB 8 Corey Davis WR 9 Mike Williams WR 10 Leonard Fournette RB 11 Tim Williams EDGE 12 Cam Robinson OL 13 Solomon Thomas DL 14 Dalvin Cook RB 15 OJ Howard TE 16 Hasson Reddick EDGE 17 Gareon Conley CB 18 Charles Harris EDGE 19 Quincy Wilson CB 20 Marlon Humphrey CB 21 Forest Lamp OL 22 TJ Watt EDGE 23 Budda Baker S 24 John Ross WR 25 Tradavius White CB 26 Garrett Bolles OL 27 Jabrill Peppers S 28 Dan Feeney OL 29 Ryan Ramcyzk OL 30 Christian Mccaffrey RB 31 Malik Mcdowell DL 32 Taco Charlton EDGE 33 Pat Elflein OL 34 Obi Melifonwu S 35 Adoree Jackson CB 36 Carl Lawson EDGE 37 David Njoku TE 38 Takk Mckinley EDGE 39 Ryan Anderson EDGE 40 Evan Engram TE 41 Chidobe Awuzie CB 42 Zay Jones WR 43 Zach Cunningham ILB 44 Fabian Moreau CB 45 Juju Smith-Schuster WR 46 Cooper Kupp WR 47 Tanoh Kpassagnon EDGE 48 Sidney Jones CB 49 Desmond King CB 50 Dion Dawkins OL 51 Jarrad Davis ILB 52 Alvin Kamara RB 53 Demarcus Walker EDGE 54 Ethan Pocic OL 55 Bucky Hodges TE 56 Teez Tabor CB 57 Chris Godwin WR 58 Raekwon Mcmillan ILB 59 Caleb Brentley DL 60 Marcus Williams S 61 Jourdan Lewis CB 62 Marcus Maye S 63 Isaiah Ford WR 64 Kevin King CB 65 Cam Sutton CB 66 Isaac Asiata OL 67 Gerald Everett TE 68 Rasul Douglas CB 69 Curtis Samuel WR 70 Jordan Willis EDGE 71 Ahkello Witherspoon CB 72 Justin Evans S 73 Cordrea Tankersley CB 74 Howard Wilson CB 75 Duke Riley ILB 76 Taylor Moton OL 77 Damontae Kazee CB 78 Taywan Taylor WR 79 Tarrell Basham EDGE 80 Dont'a Foreman RB 81 Derek Rivers EDGE 82 Corn Elder CB 83 Samaje Perrine RB 84 Carlos Henderson WR 85 Anthony Garcia OL 86 Montravius Adams DL 87 Tyus Bowser EDGE 88 Chris Wormley DL 89 Erik Magnuson OL 90 Tyler Orlosky OL 91 Eddie Jackson S 92 Jordan Legget TE 93 Larry Ogunjobi DL 94 Shaquill Griffin CB 95 Ardarius Stewart WR 96 Jaleel Johnson DL 97 Carroll Phillips EDGE 98 Ejuan Price EDGE 99 Dawuane Smoot EDGE 100 Kareem Hunt RB 101 Jarron Jones DL 102 Adam Bisnowaty OL 103 Julie'n Davenport OL 104 Carlos Watkins DL 105 Kyle Fuller OL 106 Vince Biegel EDGE 107 Amara Darboh WR 108 Dalvin Tomlinson DL 109 Jake Butt TE 110 Nazair Jones DL 111 Ryan Switzer WR 112 Charles Walker DL 113 Josh Jones S 114 Kendall Beckwith ILB 115 KD Cannon WR 116 Tanzel Smart DL 117 Dorian Johnson OL 118 Jalen Myrick CB 119 Corey Clement RB 120 Roderick Johnson OL 121 Elijah Qualls DL 122 Brian Allen CB 123 Jadar Johnson S 124 Malachi Dupre WR 125 Noah Brown WR 126 Josh Reynolds WR 127 Wayne Gallman RB 128 Soujorn Shelton CB 129 Jordan Morgan OL 130 David Sharpe OL 131 Artavis Scott WR 132 John Johnson S 133 Donnell Pumphrey RB 134 Eddie Vanderdoes DL 135 Elijah Lee ILB 136 Deatrich Wise Jr EDGE 137 Amba Etta-Tawo WR 138 Joe Mathis EDGE 139 Ryan Glasgow DL 140 Trestan Decoud CB 141 Vincent Taylor DL 142 Alex Anzalone ILB 143 Jon Toth OL 144 DJ Jones DL 145 Jalen Robinette WR 146 Anthony Walker ILB 147 Darreus Rogers WR 148 Jay Guillermo OL 149 De'Veon Smith RB 150 Davon Godchaux DL 151 Chad Hansen WR 152 Ben Boulware ILB 153 Freddie Stevenson FB 154 Brendan Langley CB 155 Montae Nicholson S 156 Tashawn Bower EDGE 157 Tarik Cohen RB 158 Channing Stribling CB 159 Rayshawn Jenkins S 160 Lorenzo Jerome S 161 Marquell Lee ILB 162 TJ Logan RB 163 Marquez White CB 164 Bryan Cox DL 165 Jeremiah Ledbitter DL 166 Jamal Carter S 167 Jalen Reeves-Maybin ILB 168 Sam Rogers FB I'll post my Qbs in order as well but the colour coding no longer works here but just as a reference point, I have all the qbs either in Jarron Jones's tier (starting at 101) or below it Mitch Trubisky QB Deshaun Watson QB Deshone Kizer QB Patrick Mahomes QB Brad Kaaya QB Davis Webb QB Nate Peterman QB Josh Dobbs QB Chad Kelly QB Jerod Evans QB Seth Russell QB CJ Beathard QB And here is the positional breakdown of the big board Position Draftable Players QB 11 RB 13 FB 2 OL 22 WR 23 TE 7 EDGE 23 DL 22 ILB 12 S 16 CB 28 TOTAL 179 Thanks for the read if you made it this far. Let me know what you think about the mock, the board, about maybe putting this on a google drive if that's easier. Oh yeah, and just for everyone's sanity, please don't quote this whole post...

With a good draft and not getting big contract players injured

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Considering we've only gone 8-8 twice in the last 9 years I'm not worried about an 8-8 "collar"

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So I just finished watching Harbs talk live on Facebook and the commenting section was attrocious. Everyone was saying bring back this person, that person. Eventually it got to Ray Rice and people were actually comparing him to Dennis Pitta, in terms of how they have missed a few seasons but only Pitta was kept "because it was personal". Seriously Admins!? Do you really want to leave us with this crap?

He was voted 2nd team all-pro - that's pretty difficult to have happen...

I don't see how peppers is guaranteed to go before us...

I don't think anyone's against the idea of drafting a first round tackle per se - I think it's more that there aren't any first round tackles that seem worth the 16th pick in the draft or who would be the BPA at any point

im a masochist

Still don't get the hate for Ross 🤔Didn't the guy just have a 17 touchdown season?

Don't bother, I can't read this.

This is lame, Ravens. This is very lame. Gonna miss it, but I see you want to keep up with the times with Facespace and Twittar. Since this will be my last time posting most likely, and if you decide to archive the board, I'll leave with this... JOE FLACCO IS THE GOAT! ED REED IS THE GREATEST SAFETY OF ALL-TIME! We do it for freedom! FOR FREEDOM!

1. If you're in the middle of a super "bowel" you should see a doctor. 2. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Thank god this board will close down after Star Wars day so I can make may the fourth be with you jokes about the draft picks

Barnett's done it against NFL level competition. Got 3 sacks going up against Tunsil in 2015. Most still think he'll be a great LT in the league. He abused Cam Robinson who is an NFL talent. Looked good and was productive against DJ Humphries. Will Holden, David Sharpe, Kendall Baker who are all NFL level talents. And he's had some of his best, most dominant performances against the guys most viewed to be guaranteed NFL talents... and high end talents (depending on position with Cam) against Alabama and Ole Miss. Granted it's no guarantee. And this is one I can't wait to bring back up once we see him play in the NFL... but theres a lot more to like than just his bend. Its the way he sets up his pass rushes and has a plan of attack, his polished moves/counter moves, the footwork, his finishing ability, and his combo of hand fighting, footwork, and bend that allow him to take the most direct path to the QB which allows him to get there just as quickly as some of the guys who are more athletic than him but have to take a more rounded route to the QB. The only reason he gets the Suggs comp is bc hes a guy that on tape clearly has elite talent, has probably the most NFL ready skill set of any pass rusher ive seen in some time but at the very least in this draft class thats strong on pass rushers, has elite, steady production over 3 years against arguably the best competition available, and is a hardworking leader thats also a really good kid by all accounts who could only fall due to over-valuing raw athleticism. But we will see.

And for that to happen we need consistent blocking, better YPA on runs, better WR separation and less drops overall , and not constant turnover with OC and philosophy.

I'll bite. John Ross and Cam Robinson are high up on my "do not touch" lists. I don't like either, but thanks to an amazing combine from Ross he will probably go high. Likely to us which would piss me the hell off. Cam Robinson I don't like either, and if we draft him I'll call for Ozzie's head. Ramcyzk is the superior prospect.

Continuing to reply to the mindless posts doesn't help and the dude is ruining just about every thread now. Might as well just shut the boards down now.

No way do i think Peppers goes before we're on the clock. Howard may not go Top 15. I think he will, but i dont think in any way its a lock. Foster could slip. At least one team in the Top 15 has him off their board completely, and with Reddick's ascension a team looking for that ILB could decide Reddick's versatility, athleticism, and ability to pass rush is more worth it than Foster. I could see Williams being available. It's not likely, but if say Tenn falls in love with Ross and someone else views Davis as the #1 guy -- Williams could slide. Idk that its even a guarantee that any Top 15 team goes WR with all the defensive talent available. Wouldnt be totally surprised is both Williams and Davis were on the board. I also dont think Barnett is a lock to go Top 15. With Reddick flying up boards, Tim Williams red flags dissipating to a degree, and Takk, Taco and Harris all having more athletic gifts -- we've seen teams fall in love with that raw ability/upside over the proven, polished play maker. And, literally every mock generator i do that matches big board up with team needs, seems to have Barnett over looked. Even when hes rated properly on the big board as the 3-10th prospect.... he gets passed for some reason. Browns are taking Garret, and then outside that who has a need for pass rusher or doesnt have another highly rated prospect available to them at a position of greater need? If Barnett gets past NO i think he's there for us. Maybe Carolina, maybe Cinci, and then NO. Only teams i could see going for him. But cant see Carolina passing up on Fournette, Adams, Hooker, or Lattimore. All or most should be available. Cant see Cinci going pass rush if Foster's there. I could see them go Williams before Barnett too. NO's the only one. But i could see them go secondary if they have a highly rated player available (Lattimore if available, Humphrey, Conley, etc..). So i wouldnt say 100% no. Its certainly possible. I mean no one wouldve said Tunsil was gonna be there for Miami and that 2-3 tackles would go ahead of him. but they did.

No this argument applies to all pass rushers. All players face a jump in competition, they're going from college to the pros. The guys that have a better shot are the ones who already have or are capable of developing NFL technique, Barnett falls in that category

pahahaha

The more I check out my favorite board and type away and read away, I'm struck by how lonely and uneventful my life will be when they yank away this board for good May 5th! I just don't see why they're doing it because I promise them on my future grave, I'll never ever follow them on facebook or twitter ever period! You still have time to reconsider and make Ravens fans really happy and relieved!

Hey, we should sign Art Jones

With the 21st pick of the 2017 draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select: Mitchell Trubisky, QB, UNC

First off, Mallet is not a better QB. Secondly, your plan is to go from a playoff level team to tanking the next 2 years when the Ravens already have a pretty young core of players? You plan things badly and should stop making plans.

I agree entirely on Ross but disagree about cam - he doesn't fill a need if he plays guard but I really think he could be an excellent and dominant guard in the NFL

Actually I wouldn't mind keeping it the same. Could you imagine having Judon, Barnett, AND Williams for the next several years at least? That would be amazing.

Many, many of his tackles were well beyond the LoS because Mosley ate blockers and allowed him to clean up.

This draft is so stacked with talent is was really hard deciding who goes where, I probably left guys out that will undoubtedly go in the 1st, but oh well. Here is my shot at it. 1. Cleveland – Myles Garrett – I’m not as high on him as most, but to each his own. 2. San Francisco – Jamal Adams 3. Chicago – Solomon Thomas 4. Jacksonville – Jonathan Allen 5. Tennessee – Malik Hooker 6. New York – Deshaun Watson 7. LA – Marshon Lattimore - His past injuries scare me, and honestly think there is a pretty good chance he is a bust because of it, which would be a shame, because this kid is amazing. 8. Carolina – Mike Williams – Many have Fournette mocked here, and so did I for a while, but I think they go a different route and get another wide out to lineup opposite KB. 9. Cincinnati – Haason Reddick – I think his combine and his versatility shot him up the draft boards, however Derek Barnett also seems like a likely option. 10. Bills – Corey Davis– Not a huge Corey Davis fan, but the Bills desperately need another WR. Trading back from here could be a possibility though. 11. Saints – Reuben Foster 12. Browns – Leonard Fournette – No way the Browns could pass on Fournette here. He would take much needed pressure off of the QB, who I think they will take in the 2nd, although Kessler should be the starter this season. 13. Cardinals – O.J. Howard – Could’ve gone QB here, but Howard could be a generational talent. 14. Eagles – Christian Mccaffery 15. Colts – Cam Robinson 16. Ravens – Derek Barnett – This might be a little bias, as Barnett is my favorite prospect for us. But I really think this is a scenario that could make him fall to us. Reddick’s combine could push him ahead of Barnett. I think we might go Reddick, Taco, or TWill if Barnett is gone, although I would prefer a trade back. 17. Redskins – Dalvin Cook 18. Titans – John Ross 19. Buccaneers – Takk Mckinley 20. Broncos – Ryan Ramcyzk 21. Lions – Taco Charlton 22. Dolphins – Marlon Humphrey 23. Giants – David Njoku 24. Raiders – Jarrad Davis 25. Texans – Mitch Trubisky 26. Seahawks – Jabrill Peppers 27. Chiefs – Tim Williams 28. Cowboys – Budda Baker 29. Packers – Garret Bolles 30. Steelers – Charles Harris 31. Falcons – Gareon Conley 32. Saints – Tre White 2nd round – Zay Jones, WR Big body, strong hands, extremely productive. I think he would be a great fit here. 3rd round – Cam Sutton, CB Sutton has 1st round potential, but is overshadowed by the ridiculous CB class. I think he will end up being one of the steals of the draft. 3rd round comp - Taylor Moton, OL 4th round – Kyle Fuller, C 5th – Lorenzo Jerome, FS – One of my favorite prospects, I think he could be a great replacement when Weddle leaves Don’t feel like taking a shot in the dark for our 6th round pick.

Niners gonna niner

Juice is the 9th highest paid RB in the league, based on average per year. Wow

i have done my homework, im not writing him off as a one trick pony and i'd still hate the pick because of the fit and the fact that i dont think he's a top 16 player in the draft: i would much rather have cam robinson, tim williams, oj howard, haason reddick, marlon humphrey, tj watt - i would prefer all of these to the john ross pick and they certainly aren't unrealistic kevin king to me is a combine superstar who's tape doesnt match up - he occasionally can make eye-catching plays but i think he isnt as smooth as he should be in coverage and can occasionally be clumsy - i think there are better corner options who would likely be available in round 2: moreau, awuzie, lewis for starters - sidney jones if he's there - i also think there are good wide receivers/edge rushers, linebackers or even offensive linemen who might be better picks at that spot so i disagree that its a nice haul

please do get into specifics... because no one here is just going to accept unevidenced opinions on him

Not trying to convince anyone, I would just like a single valid point as to why you think Barnett is not gonna be good, because you have yet to make one. You just say "he isn't gonna be good no matter what you say, because NFL tackles are better". That isn't a valid argument whatsoever and you refuse to bring a valid argument to the table. Still waiting btw, unless you just know absolutely nothing about Barnett therefore you shouldn't really be speaking on the subject, which looks like it might be the case.

Dont like the idea of Ross with our 1st. Just dont want another guy whose main asset is speed. It's great, and could lead to an explosive offense -- but hes already got an extensive injury history, and speed is a trait that can diminish with injuries. He's more well rounded than most speed guys in that hes not a one dimensional, one-trick pony.... but take away the speed and the other traits arent worth a 1st round pick. Not even close. King i actually do like. Great height, length, athleticism combo. Has a frame to actually fill out even more to where he could bully even the biggest, most physical receivers in the league. And great at tracking/denying the ball; especially deep. May not be a day 1 plug and play type of guy like some of the others, but we dont necessarily need that with Carr here and his upside is tremendous. And Magnuson i actually like, but think its a bit early here. I like Moton and he could be around here... if Elflein is available im definitely going him here over the RT. I actually really like Jordan Morgan out of Kutztown in this range, maybe a little later, over Magnuson. 6'4", 310-320 lb dude, 4 yr starter at LT who probably projects better to guard but I think could play RT. Has great feet and is a nasty, mauling dude.

Okay....so you don't think Barnett will translate into a good NFL player because the tackles in the NFL are better..? Does this not effect any of the other pass rushers?

if flacco still throwing off is back foot, we are guaranteed to miss playoffs again

for him a lot of people hold the lack of run defence against him - but for me its about opportunities there because he proved against LSU that he could be at least ok setting the edge in the run game

You have got to be trolling us.

I like it. I don't love it but that's ok. Like too see different names. I think Magnuson is a bit of a reach and would prefer Dawkins. Also don't like perine. We already have west and Dixon we need a home run threat. I really like Marlon Mack from usf for us in the same round

Washington round 5 pick 10 skipped pick.... Cb najee murray kent state

Obviously it helps to simply be "better", but for the defense, there's no reason that a unit that plays so well throughout the game should keep crumbling in clutch situations. In the last 2 years, the Ravens lead the league in games lost when the offense had a 4th qtr, go ahead drive. I think the main problem there is the soft, scared coverage they play late in games. They're so afraid of giving up the big play, they just let the qb play pitch and catch down the field. Dean Pees acknowledged that the DBs were playing too far off on that last drive in pitts, so why not do something about it? The secondary staying healthy would go a long way as well. The offense just needs more playmakers. Rodney Harrison was right last year. It's not good when your best playmaker by far is a 37 year old coming off an Achilles tear.

Then Bart Scott etc etc. Ozzie is money when finding UDFA ILB #2s

Oh that changes some things...definitely have to take Barnett over Lamp. We would also be drafting 3 UT Vols.

There are plenty of quality WR to be had in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. If Williams isn't there at 16 I see no reason to go WR in the 1st.

With the 8th pick in the 5th round of the 2017 Forum Draft, the Seattle Seahawks select..... Chad Kelly | QB | Ole Miss

i dont see that with tim williams at all - he's a multi-faceted pass rusher who has shown (albeit in limited opportunities) that he can be a 3 down defender - he's 100% worth the 16th pick if teams feel comfortable about the drugs and the arrest - as for making it out of the first round... i dont see that happening at all