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I don't think he's underachieved, so much has been expected of him but he's played in a dreadful offense. Everyone is talking up Pierre Garcon but let's comparing him side by side to Britt, I don't think he's been all that much better. Pierre Garcon G GS Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD 2016 Washington Redskins 16 16 79 1,041 13.2 70T 3TD 2015 Washington Redskins 16 16 72 777 10.8 39T 6TD 2014 Washington Redskins 16 14 68 752 11.1 70T 3TD Kenny Britt SeasonTeamReceivingRushingFumbles G GS RecYds Avg LngTD AttYds AvgLng TD FUM Lost 2016 Los Angeles Rams 15 15 68 1,002 14.7 66 5TDs 2015 St. Louis Rams 1614 36 681 18.9 60T 3TDs 2014 St. Louis Rams 16 13 48 748 15.6 63T 3TDs Like I said before, Garcon played in an offense that was up there with some of the passing offenses in the league and ranked 2nd in the league and 3rd overall offensively. Comparitevly Britt played in an offense that ranked as the 31st ranked passing attack and 32nd ranked offense as a hole. I'll also keep in mind that Kirk Cousins is light years better than anyone the Rams have. I like Garcon, but it's like if Julian Edelman were to come here from New England, that's nice but is he going to be better here than what he was with New England? I could certainly say that in our case, we would get a much better Kenny Britt from LA coming here and that's taking into account his impressive season.

Just to go a bit deeper on the love for Britt. His numbers on the surface look below average. But when you compare his on field production to some of the games best, he actually measures up pretty well. Based on what the Ravens said they wanted. Veteran WR who can move the chains consistently, pick up key 1st downs and making game changing plays with the game on the line. Britt has done all of those things for a crappy offense. This is how Britt would measure up to other AFC North WRs. AJ Green: 349 Targets, 221recs 67% 1st downs, 21% went for 20+yds, 2% went for 40+yds with 20TDs A. Brown: 528Targets, 371recs 62% 1st downs, 17% went for 20+ yds, 4% went for 40+yds with 35TDs K. Britt: 267 Targets, 152recs 72% 1st downs, 26% went for 20+ yds, 7% went for 40+yds with 11TDs Both Pit and Cincy passed the ball at a much higher volume than the Rams did. What could Britt do with more targets? Now let's look at those same number and compare them to the #1 WR the Ravens have had the last 9 years under Harbs. D. Mason 08-10': 355 Targets 214recs 74% 1st downs, 14% went for 20+yds, 3% went for 40+ with 19TDs A. Boldin 10'-12': 327 Targets 186recs, 70% 1st downs, 22% went for 20+yds, 1% went for 40+yds with 14TDs Smith Sr 14,-16': 308 Targets 195recs, 57% 1st downs 20% went for 20+yds, 5% went for 40+yds with 14TDS So even if you dropped Britt into the Ravens offense over the last 3 years, his numbers probably would have been on par if not exceeded what we've had as number #1 targets over the last 9 years. The Ravens have never targeted their #1 WR less than 100 times and by comparison Britt was only targeted 100+ times once with the Rams. That was 2016 when he put up 1,000 yards. Unless a bidding war starts for him, I think Britt would be a perfect fit for the Ravens. He gives you both possession and big play ability.

Yeah, let's be clear, we're not taking an OL with the 16th pick. Period. Either we trade back and consider it a possibility, either we take some later believing we can groom them even without Castillo. If we're picking an OL in the second, Elflein is my absolute favourite. He's refined, versatile and has it between the ears. Day 1 starter, whatever happens with the other OLinemen. Trading back is still an option because you can get a top12 player while gaining a 3rd or 4th (picks that Ozzie usually nails), and this class is one of the best in recent memory, so there's really a ton of plausible strategies.

"Revis is alleged to have knocked two men unconscious"

First off, getting paid like a legit #1 WR and the dollar amount of $7-$10 Mil per doesn't go together at all. Jeffery is likely to get somewhere between 15-17 Mil per and when guys like OBJ. AB, Evans etc hit the Market next year that number might shoot up to 19-20 Mil. That's legit #1 money. The Rams just gave Tavon Austin 10M per and Britt had outperformed him the last 3 years in the same crappy offense. If Britt commands more than 8Mil per than I don't think he's on the Ravens radar.. But in terms of why the love because he fits what the Ravens are looking for and at 28 he'll offer a few more years to the table than a 33 year old Marshall(i'd love have him btw). I can promise you there isn't a talent evaluator inside the Ravens building who is going to run to NFL.com and look at his career numbers when they are asked to give a scouting report on him. That's what we fans do. What the Ravens will have do is go back, watch the field and take into account all the variables about his time in STL/LA and how well does he fit what the Ravens want to do. But going by NFL.com cause that's all i can do, the Rams offense has passed for a grand total of 5,756yds 25TDs in the LAST 2 SEASON. Well over those last 2 seasons Britt's numbers read 1,683yds and 8TDs. That's more than 30% of their entire passing game and that's good for any WR. So what could Britt do in a better offense with a better QB? It's risky but I think it's a conversation that the Ravens are having. Britt has been a steady producer for a terrible offense the last 3 years. The Ravens said they want a consistent chain mover who can make big plays when needed. Over the last 3 years, 72% of Britt's catches have gone for 1st downs, 25% went for 20+yds and 7% went for 40+yds with 11TDs . By comparison to Garcon only 57% catches went for first downs, 13% with for 20+ yds and 2% went for 40yds+ with 12TDs. Garcon has played in a good to great offense while Britt played in a offense that players called a high school offense. I'd say the Ravens would be smart to kick the tires on Britt. Not saying he's better than Garcon, but for my money, a lot can be said for a guy who can still produce in a poor offense. Britt 7-9Mil is a great deal imo.

I just watched a boat load of tape on Solomon Thomas and fell in love

I mean speed is important but I'm more interested in the flip hips drill or whatever it's called - doesn't matter if you can run 4.4 in a straight line if you're always stumbling backwards

Your are literally the most negative poster ive seen since the days of Sami84. I guess SSr was a bad pickup. And Jacoby. And Wallace. Guess those guys in NE suck because they cant draft WRs....Guess you also didn't realize we had the number one defense for most of the year. Do you even read what you say?

He's coming from the Rams. They've passed for a total of 5800yds in the last 2 seasons. I don't think Flacco would be a hard sell regardless of what some fans think. Britt has never been to the playoffs in his career, do you really think he'd split hairs between the Ravens being a well run organization or a winning team because they've missed the postseason 3 of the last 4 seasons? It's funny you guys mentioned that because just last night I was with my mentor and he was telling be about the difference between his time with the Broncos and his time with the Rams. He said with the Broncos no matter the record, the standards among the players were high because they viewed themselves as winners. Even if the record said they weren't winning, guys like Elway, Atwater and Sharpe knew it only took a few tweaks here or there and they were back on the winning track. So it wasn't any walking to drills or sitting on your helmet in practice. So coming in as a 2nd round rookie all he knew was that winning mentality. But with the Rams they weren't known for winning and they didn't have winning habits. So when he was running to each drill in practice and practicing hard each rep, the Rams players called him a suck up(can't use the real language) and eventually his practice habits changed as well because he became a product of his environment. The Ravens still have a standard of winning and Britt or any other FA will see that. I agree anybody would be foolish to walk away from the Ravens especially if they do so beause they haven't been to the playoffs in 2 seasons. I chuckle when I see Ravens fans who have experienced nearly 10 years of success consistently, quickly revert to Cleveland Browns fans as soon as the team has a rough few years. Guys like Sr, Wallace, Weddle and Watson had many options to go play for other teams but choose to play for the Ravens and gave the same 3 common factors as reason. Winning culture, Flacco and some other vet spoke so highly of their time with the Ravens. BTW all 4 were offered more money else where but wanted to play for this losing team lol. People who've played or are currently playing the game view the Ravens as winners, but a small group of fans think they aren't. It's a fan forum so i guess the fans have the loudest voice here so i'll give you that. Correction: I think the Ravens were the highest offer for Watson.

Oh I get the jest of what you are trying to say, I just believe you are taking these Fan boards way to seriously. These articles and comment sections are for the Fans to voice their opinion , and I think all fans know (we are an educated fan base) that the Ravens FO, nor the coaching staff is hanging out here trying to get info, so , enjoy the hyperbole that is fandom. And remember this is just a game, every team has good and bad years, but as a FAN you never stop supporting your team , no matter what...

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Would not have traded Sean Lee. He is the best player on their D. And counting on Jaylon Smith in any way is more than risky.

Joey: the new Crush

I think Lamp is an All Pro type guard, somewhere between Justin Pugh and Zach Martin. Feeney has potential but there are real maulers in the draft with pro style experience like Dion Dawkins, I'm not sold on him either he but he has some KO in him.

Having a top RB will mean nothing, if we don't get the OL fixed.

What is this, Colorado?

1. The reason I specifically said 2019 is because until then, the cost of letting Joe go exceeds the cost of him being here until then. So while I suppose they "could" release him, they'd have a cap figure that would grow by $4M just to let him go vs him staying, so it would be financially beneficial to keep him. 2. Neither of those teams you referenced are comparable, particularly given that Joe was better than both of those QBs significantly in 2016, and neither of those deals had the guaranteed money that his does. I think being a diehard fan , going to games, buying expensive ravens gear, watching games is exactly the type of fans that the Ravens front office cares about. This is a comment section. I will and I encourage all fans to voice their opinions , I think especially after Spending thousands of dollars per seasons we have the right......SMH

That's a fair point. Ryan was probably on board with being aggressive - maybe even encouraged in as Joe has done in the past - but when he got that pressure up that middle, he panicked, ran the wrong way, and held the ball longer than he should. Then the series of plays that pushed them out of FG range where he can be heard mic'd up saying 'What the [Falcon], guys, did you hold?' as they shot themselves in the foot again. Can't really blame him for the sack-fumble. His RB whiffed and Ryan didn't even see the guy.

I wouldn't hate it but I'd prefer a big pusher like Dan Feeney who can really open running lanes. I'd also like a trade back if we're going for either of those.

He had too much to drink? Or perhaps something stronger?

I think Perriman will be a huge part of what the offense wants to do in 2017. His readiness is the question. Even last year Harbs was talking about how much they wanted to unleash Perriman and they wanted to see big plays out of him consistently but he just wasn't ready after missing training camp in back to back years. Well the gloves are off now. He'll be full throttle and the Ravens will run him like a thoroughbred. Yes he'll have to improve route running and become more physical but I think the offseason and training camp will solve that issue. I fully expect Perriman to have the same type of production Wallace had last year but more TDs. I don't know what his market value will be, but I would like to see Robert Woods added to. I just love the fact that he's only 25 and he's a great route runner. I don't see him getting a big contract but you never know. If Marshall is added, which I see as likely, at 33 I'd still like to see a guy like Woods added as that possible long term chain mover for this offense. Perriman will be 24 and Woods 25, that might be a really nice tandem for the next 5 years or so.

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I feel like if something is in the framework of a deal that has been established before the game has started, then it should be in effect now. I mean if something like that is in the Jets deal with Revis, I imagine they would have agreed on it all when they signed him which was far before the lock date in this game. If anything, I think it would be violating the lock rule to not give the Jets the option based on what is in the deal since that would be changing the terms of the contract. I don't see how giving the Jets a power they had the entire contract would be a violation of the rules.

Most winning teams have good process and we are lucky to be one of them; we are pretty much the only team in AFC to hang around the Pats in the postseason and NFC have the Giants pretty much own the Pats in the post season. We have some bad lucks and disappointments in past few years but I feel better when I still see Bisiotti, Ozzie, and Eric still around.....

Really not trying to convince you Britt is the way to go, just showing way i'm showing love to the idea of getting Britt. If that makes sense. But I will say this. If we're just looking at basic stats then we'll always be able to twist them to support our personal narrative. Imo that whole only talent on a poor team narrative is thrown out the window because the Rams didn't force feed Britt. He's never had a high volume of targets. In 5 of 8 career years, Britt has surpassed 700+ yards with 15ypc and last season was the only time he's been targeted more than 84 times. I'd say he's a guy that actually maximizes his limited opportunities instead of a guy who's force feed in a poor offense. So now I think the Ravens or any other team will say, what can we get if we throw the ball his way 100+ times a season. What's the difference between Britt and Aiken? Last year with the dreadful Rams offense. Britt was targeted 111, while Austin was targeted 106, Kendrick 87 and Quick 77 times. Despite only 5 more targets than Austin, Britt had 10 more catches and double the yardage. The Rams didn't force feed him he just took advantage of his opportunities. Aiken on the other hand was targeted 127 times in 2015. That year there wasn't another Ravens player targeted more than 73 times and that was Sr with only 6 1/2 games played. I'd say the Ravens force feed Aiken that year. But i will agree that Aiken should get more credit. However when the team makes it known they need to attack a possession type WR FA or the draft and that's exactly what you do, I'd say the Ravens, not the fans are the ones who don't think Aiken is the answer. Lastly back to the whole poor offense thing. Imo you can't just look at surface numbers as i've been saying. As i already mentioned, the Ravens basically had no one other than Aiken after Sr when down, while the Rams at least attempted to get other guys involved. Going back to 2015 with Aiken, after Sr went down, Aiken was targeted a total of 83 times in the final 8 games. That's 10.3 targets a game. Britt was only targeted 7 times a game. So again it's about Britt taking advantage of the opportunities despite being in a poor offense, while Aiken was force feed. The numbers in those 8 games. 83 targets 50recs 611yds 3TDs. That means 66% of Aiken's production came when the Ravens force feed him the ball. That's why he disappeared when Sr returned and Wallace was added. The Ravens don't want someone they have to force feed the ball unless that guy is making game changing plays. I think Britt can be that guy but we'll see.

Is one of the two people Geno Smith? I get that everyone hates him but man lol

It's not a popular thought, I hated it at first, but as a guard, his value skyrockets! I'd hope we look for a minor trade back, maybe 3-5 spots and nab a third, then get Robinson. Even at 16 I wouldn't flip a table, unless someone more valuable was there. But if no QBs or only 1 go, then a lot of talent could get plucked and Robinson could be the BPA especially since he is a smash mouth brawler in the run game and will very likely improve in pass defense because he won't be on the edge anymore so he will easily handle the powerful interior lineman.

devonte fields has a DV history i think - i looked at who was available at some of those picks and it was a bad mock - malik mcdowell nearly went in the 3rd round, zay jones nearly made it to our 3rd pick, pat elflein wasn't even picked etc. etc. - if some of those options were there i dont think these are the players we end up with at the 2nd pick we could have had mcdowell, ryan anderson, dan feeney, jabrill peppers, budda baker, zay jones, desmond king, tim williams, jourdan lewis, adoree jackson it was too early and too uninformed a draft to be honest - the big board was all over the place i imagine

I'd take cam Robinson at 16. I think he's gonna be a pro bowl guard which we need. Dude is ferocious in the run game

Drug addicts say the same thing...

Because of you I'm imagining this guy with a mohawk and shades.

Somebody is gonna strike gold with Britt because I feel many will look at his time with the Rams as underachieving. When in reality he's done extremely well for them considering what he's had to deal with and the QBs he's been forced to play with. Garcon is gonna get a ton more than Britt I think and I think Marshall might as well. While teams are fighting over Jeffery, Garcon, DJax and others, I'd attack Britt the minute FA opens, offer him a fair deal, sell playing for a winning team and top level QB and put the ball in his court.

Ravensfan23 summed up my thoughts but I don't consider $7-8M to be paid like a #1 WR. Mohammad Sanu, Marvin Jones, and Torrey Smith are all making this amount or at least close to it and these are your prototypical #2 WRs, so I wouldn't consider 8-10M as #1 WR money. Britt fits everything the Ravens want, they want to pick up 1st downs, they want to move the chains, they want to be more effective in the redzone and Britt can contribute in all areas. You brought up Marshall and Garcon and while I agree that Marshall is more talented, I don't think even his stressful offenses are as bad as Britt was. In Garcon's case he played in a high octane passing offense that ranked top 5 in passing yards last 2 seasons and a QB who is light-years better than anyone the Rams had(Yes, it was that bad for LA.) With that said, Britt preformed pretty damn well given the circumstances and I think he could be a stud with Ravens/Joe.

I will just express my opinion, You need to be more of a real football fan than just a Ravens fan or a TV fan. So it was an off year. You seem to have some knowledge of the history and players. Let me try to put this in a different perspective. You were young but you must remember Dan Marino. Dan had great stats and he even had a perfect season record, but never won a Super Bowl. He had some down years too. He was at one time the highest paid NFL player, he had his worst season the year following and actually lost faith in his team. He went on to write about it and realized that he can only change what was in his power to change. There are many other QB's you can look at in NFL history, who have struggled as the " on-the field" leader type personalities. But Joe still holds the NFL Playoff record for first 5 years of QB Carreer. Joe has been in the playoffs 6 years (winning seasons as well) out of his 9 year career. He has fought through an injury and many team injuries. I do not think you could find a more committed Raven than Joe Flacco. I will stay a fan, sure its hard sometimes but having a team and history like the Ravens isn't one of them. Try being a Saints fan, or Atlanta, or Titans, Jacksonville, Jets, Buffalo, even lately Vikings, Bears, Tampa Bay, Cleveland, are you really ready to trade for that? Just voicing my opinion. Let it play out and see. If Joe fails, he is not the first one. The Ravens will get another QB in a couple of years. But if I have any notion of Joe and the Ravens, you haven't seen the last of the playoffs.

I'm going, already have the tickets, doing the unforgiven vip experience.

they need to bring back aiken, they underutilize him last season.

1. Cap hit and what he's actually get paid are two different things. 2. Joe's locked in as the starter through at least 2018. No point in discussing it until then, because his contract dictates that much. He holds 100% of the leverage until 2019. That being said, compensation really has nothing to do with how you perform at the position in a given year. Actually pretty rare on an annual basis for the highest paid person to be the best at that position. With everybody knowing that he needs to play better (himself included), I'm also not sure why anybody would think a change would happen. You could argue either side of the "he hasn't lived up to his contract" argument ever since 2013, and yet he's been the starter out there every year since. And for the next two years, barring injury, that's exactly what will happen, pretty much regardless of where he "ranks" among QBs.

we have enough speedsters at receiver. need to find the chain mover. hope breshad becomes the all around stud

Yup, just like he ran circles around us a few months back when he played us. Those 11 rushing yards and 111 passing yards he torched us with really had our old defense quaking in their boots. Its like you people don't even watch games...

Because he'll be the next spare for CLE to drop 400+ yards on the Ravens

It's the same people who will come on here next off season and say how they told everyone that KC was worth the pick and he just needed time. The same people that came on here and said that C. Upshaw wasn't worth keeping. They didn't seem to know how well he played for us, especially against the run. Now they are on here saying that we should have kept him and it's all Harbaugh's fault . SMH

I would be ecstatic if the Ravens somehow got Jamal Adams.

"Should Victor Cruz’s injury history be a concern?" If pundits deeply familiar with the Giants say in more or less unison that Cruz's athleticism is basically gone, I guess we should believe them...

I really don't think Torrey Smith will be much cheaper than Mike Wallace..... I also think Brandon Marshall would be more expensive than Pierre Garcon....

He ran into his offensive linemen more often than he ran where he was supposed to. He didn't get a chance

Latest mock from NFL.com had an anomaly happen. Jamal Adams fell to 16.....with three QBs going plus Taco and Ramcyzk. Possible but unlikely. That would be a crazy score

I would rather have a pro-bowl caliber CB to play with jimmy and tavon remember what has happen to our D everytime jimmy goes down no pass rush because we can't cover anyone LOL, again, may want to go back and watch the 2014 Ravens again. don't need to and I'm talking about last year 2016

I would rather have a pro-bowl caliber CB to play with jimmy and tavon remember what has happen to our D everytime jimmy goes down no pass rush because we can't cover anyone

Camp, Jensen & West will get original round tenders. Onwausor can't sign with any other team, period. Really just leaves Juice, Wagner & Williams. And I agree - Williams is the priority....