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  1. 6 points
    The most interesting thing about this, and something I've never thought about previously, is that Rice is the only 2nd round pick we've resigned. Sadly, that worked against the team since he only played one year under the new contract and it was a very bad year for him on the field
  2. 5 points
    Yea letting him walk is kind of mind-boggling. Adding him with yanda, Stanley and kicking Lewis to RT could really improve our OL. Just need that center position addressed. I'm more of a defensive guy, but I would have no issue letting Bwill walk just to sign him. Also, I know this wouldn't happen, but resigning Wagner and signing Zeitler would make me extremely happy. Not sure of Lewis could play center... Just a thought
  3. 5 points
    Yeah, I noticed that, too. Not a lot of second contracts. There are guys they would've like to re-sign, though.
  4. 5 points
    Part of the Denver stuff was before he had the bipolar thing diagnosed but he does a lot for charity and the community. Plus if you had to deal with Gino Smith, Fitzpatrick, Hackenburg as your QBs you would probably want to leave town too.
  5. 4 points
    ** PLEASE DO NOT POST IN THIS THREAD ** Please clear out and check your PM inbox often as you will be using them to discuss trades and various other portions of the game. Please note that some things like dates haven't been decided on yet and some rules may still be tweaked. 2017 Forum Mock Council of Commissioners (“CoCo”): These nine members are running the game. If you have any questions, please send them toward these members. Please note that certain members have certain responsibilities, which makes them better equipped to answer certain questions. allblackraven: free agent list arnie_uk berad: rules enforcer/moderator LosT_in_TranSlatioN RavensFanMania: State of the Franchise rmw10: trades/draft -Truth-: State of the Franchise T3hRaven Rules for the game are as follows: - The 2017 Mock Draft Salary Cap shall be set at 173 stars. (1 Star = $1 Million) - You cannot restructure contracts. You cannot borrow from future cap space or trade future picks - Everything is rounded to the nearest Half Star (0.5 Star = ½ Million) Picking Teams Once all 32 spots are filled in the signup thread, we will begin to select teams. Teams are chosen via a draft-like method. One of the CoCo members will use a random number generator to create the list for the draft. (Your number for that is where you signed up. It is a random number generator, so it doesn’t matter where you signed up. This draft for teams will likely start about 24 hours after all 32 spots are filled. You will have 12 hours to select your team. In order to speed up the process, please forward your list to some other people and let them post for you. Once everyone has a team, the game will begin. No trades or such will be allowed until everyone has a team and nothing becomes official the notice is given, when all of the official threads will be posted. Draft Value You have to leave 5.5 stars of cap space for the normal draft class, which is 1 pick in every round 1 through 7. You add or subtract stars based on whether you have more or less picks than the normal draft allocation. The values of the stars you add or subtract based on your picks are: § 1st round = 2 stars § 2nd round = 1 stars § 3rd round through 7th round = 0.5 stars each This lets you know many stars you need to leave for your Rookie class. You cannot gain stars by trading away your picks. For example, the Rams are without their first round pick due to a trade with the Titans. Therefore, their draft class will need 3.5 stars instead of 5.5 stars. If they acquired other picks or trade away picks, the number of stars will change accordingly. You will receive a cap credit for your draft class if you are over 51 players. Tendering Franchise Tag costs: QB: 21.5 stars RB: 12 stars WR: 16 stars TE: 10 stars OL: 14.5 stars DE: 17 stars DT: 13.5 stars LB: 14.5 stars CB: 14.5 stars S: 11 stars K/P: 5 stars Transition Tag costs: QB: 19 stars RB: 10 stars WR: 13.5 stars TE: 8.5 stars OL: 12.5 stars DE: 14 stars DT: 11 stars LB: 12.5 stars CB: 12.5 stars S: 9.5 stars K/P: 4.5 stars * Players Franchised for the 2nd straight year cost 120% of the normal rate * Other special franchise tag rules that are found (i.e. Suh in 2015 having a super-high tag value due to rookie contract will be implemented as well) * The transition tag rules work the same as the NFL rules. You can tag the player for the value above, but that player will be put into the RFA free agent pool for other teams to potentially bid on. From this point, everything will follow RFA free agent rules (explained below). * You can only use the franchise tag OR the transition tag. You cannot use both. * The tag doesn't become "guaranteed" until that position group's FA period. If you trade/cut your franchise tagged player before his position group in FA, you can recoup full savings of the tag. If the player is moved after his position group in FA, you get half of the stars back. Restricted Free Agents You place a tender on all your RFA you want to keep. There are three levels of tenders depending on how much you value and want to keep your player. The tenders are: 1st Round: 4 stars 2nd Round: 3 stars Original Round: 2 stars There will be a specific period of time, 24 hours, where all we do is place bids on RFAs. Any team can bid on a RFA in this time period. You bid on the RFA by offering up a contract of X Stars (bid must be greater than the tender value). After the period, the player's current team then can decide to match the contract, which means he stays on his current team, but with a salary that was the bid. The team that tried to bid for him cannot counter offer. If his current team doesn’t match the offer, the RFA signs for the bidding team at the contract bid for. That team then has to give up the draft pick that was tendered on the RFA. UDFAs can have original round tenders, the original team just has the right to match the offer. If they decline to match the offer, they will receive no compensation. Exclusive Rights Free Agents Exclusive rights Free agents cost 0.5 stars if you want to resign them. They cannot be bid on. ***DATE for RFA, ERFAs and Franchise Tag Tenders to be placed is: Friday, February 17th at 7 pm EST *** Cutting Players Go to SPOTRAC find a player’s salary for the 2017 year. How to Navigate Spotrac Website: § Choose your team (ex. Baltimore Ravens) § Click heading “2017 Cap Hits” (Should look like THIS page) § Find your player (ex. Shareece Wright) Cap Saved = Cap Hit - Dead Money When you cut the player you Cap Saved = Cap Hit - Dead Money, your team incurs all signing and/or other bonuses as dead money to your cap if there is any. Ex. Cutting Shareece Wright would mean you would save 2.5 stars (5.33 cap hit - 2.67 dead money = 2.66 cap saved, rounded down to 2.5 stars) *NOTE: Do not round until the very end. Use the whole cap hit and the whole dead money. Once the cap saved is calculated, round to the nearest 0.5 stars. Once the cut player becomes a UFA, he is added to the Free Agency pool. Please try to make your cuts before our FA starts so we have an idea of the cut players available and can add them to the list of available FAs. Please try and get cuts done before FA for that position. If a player is cut after the free agency period for their position, you will still have a chance to sign them, but will have to wait until the Final Free Agency after the draft. WE WILL HAVE A THREAD FOR CUTS AND RE-SIGNINGS TO MAKE FA LISTS EASIER. PLEASE POST EVERY CUT AND RE-SIGNING IN THIS THREAD AS WELL AS YOUR STATE OF THE FRANCHISE POST. In the format: Team Position and Player - stars saved Example: Baltimore Ravens CB Shareece Wright – 2.5 stars Special Cut/Trade Rule Each team is allowed to make ONE CUT or TRADE in which the base salary only is factored and you can ignore the dead money. For example, cutting Joe Flacco would ADD cap due to dead money. Using this, his 6 star Base Salary is the cap savings instead of -23 stars in savings. Using this rule you can ignore the Dead Money and trade/cut him for the 6 stars. This can be applied retroactively to a move, but be smart about it. Trades Using previous blue link, if you trade away a player, you get extra stars based on the same formula used when you cut players. Cap Saved = Cap Hit - Dead Money. The team acquiring the player takes on the value of his Base Salary. To complete a trade, both parties post in the trade thread the details of the trade (in the format that rmw10 wants). Examples: (Numbers and players from a previous season): Browns Give: DT John Hughes (Browns save 0.5 stars, Jaguars add 0.5 stars) Jaguars Give: G Will Rackley (Jaguars save 1.5 stars, Browns add 1.5 stars) Totals: Browns: +1 star Jaguars: -1 star Bengals Give: Round 6, Pick 23 Jaguars Give: S Joe Lefeged (Jaguars save 0.5 stars, Bengals add 0.5 stars) Totals: Bengals: +0.5 stars Jaguars: -0.5 stars NOTE: When you trade draft picks, the draft pick cap hit is not included in the trade. It is already factored in when you keep track of all you draft picks. Also, ALL PICKS MUST BE LISTED IN THE FORMAT: ROUND #, PICK #. Rmw10 will be keeping track of off this and it makes it easier on him. He will have a big board with all the draft picks listed, so please check that out when it is posted. One person post the trade, and the other person needs to quote it and confirm. Make sure after you decide on every cut and every trade is confirmed, edit you state of the franchise post (explained later). How does Free Agency work? Free Agency will begin on Monday, February 20th at 7PM EST. There will be one major Free Agency thread for each position or positional group. Below is the deadline schedule for positional free agency, along with the deadline for tenders: Deadline to place all RFA, ERFA, franchise tag and transition tag tenders is Friday, February 17th at 7PM EST 1. RFA/ST - starts Monday 2/20, ends Tuesday 2/21 2. LB - starts Wednesday 2/22, ends Thursday 2/23 3. OL - starts Saturday 2/25, ends Sunday 2/26 4. DB - starts Monday 2/27, ends Tuesday 2/28 5. DL - starts Wednesday 3/1, ends Thursday 3/2 6. EDGE - starts Saturday 3/4, ends Sunday 3/5 7. RB/WR/TE - starts Monday 3/6, ends Tuesday 3/7 8. QB - starts Wednesday 3/8, ends Thursday 3/9 *All start and end times are 7 pm EST There are 8 different free agent periods. They are listed above. The order of the free agency positions will be randomized (listed below in last year’s random order) and is still TBD (shown above is last year's order) You will have 24 hours to place your bid. Once those 24 hours are up, no more bids can be placed. The Free Agency managers will sort through the winning bids to players at the end and give them to their new owners. Once that position is done, we will move onto the next day and so on. Going through each position at a time will make it much easier to track who is available and who is gone. We will then have a free for all of all the guys left for a day or two, once the draft is completed to fill out your roster. Bidding on Free Agents: If you win the bid you add that FA to your roster as of the 2017 season, don’t worry about the future. Every GM has an idea on who they want and divvy up their budget according to this. § Team Name § Free Agent § Bid (# of stars) Baltimore Ravens OLB Von Miller 20 stars ***You can NOT bid on players if you do not have the free cap space available*** -You MUST create cap space first (by trading and/or cutting) That’s for the first bid. Then if another team comes in and wants to bid, make sure and read through the thread, quote the highest bid so far (if it's a player already bid on) and make sure and post a bid higher. If the first team wants to counter bid, again quote the post (continue to use format above, Team name, Free agent, and stars bid). We don’t want people not looking for the highest bid and then bidding 6 stars for say Von Miller, when someone has already bid 8. Player names must be spelled correctly to be a valid bid. FINAL FIVE MINUTES: In order to give a fair chance to match bid––and to stop a sudden mass bidding in the final minute––we have a final five minutes rule. With five minutes left, one of the “CoCo” will post that there are five minutes remaining in FA. If a player is bid on under five minutes, the team with the highest bid prior to the final five minutes will have an opportunity to get this player back in a “bid-off.” In order to initiate this “bid-off,” the team that had the highest bid pre-final five minutes must state in the FA thread that they would like to do a “bid-off” WITHIN 15 MINUTES OF THE END OF FA. If you don’t say this, you don’t get final five rights. Simple as that. Both parties––the team that owned the highest bid prior to the final five and the team with the highest bid at the end of FA––will PM their highest bid to a predetermined member. The highest bid wins, simple as that. If a tie results, it will be done again until we have a winner. FINAL BIDS MUST BE IN BY 7:30PM EST. *NOTE: If you bid on a player in the final five, but don’t “win” him there, you can’t take part in this process. It is only for the owner prior to the final five and the owner at the end of FA. NEW FOR 2017: We are now able to add a 3rd team to the bid-off process. Teams can now enter this bid-off process for their own FAs if they did not win either the final 5 bid or the overall final bid. To do so, a team has to place a bid on their player at any point in the FA period. If a bid is placed, you are eligible to enter the bid-off for your former player. We will limit teams to using this option THREE times only. This is done in effort to give teams a better shot at retaining their own players. GENERAL FA RULES: Place ALL bids in the following format: Team Name Free Agent Bid (# of Stars) Absolutely NO discussions in the FA thread NO discussion in the Cut Thread Search for the leading bidder, quote their bid, and outbid them Teams can bid any amount on a player, but only in increments of 0.5 Stars Always quote the previous highest bid until the last 5 minutes Editing or deleting of posts is NOT permitted, and has a penalty. You will not be allowed to make anymore bids for the next 15 minutes if you edit/delete a bid. You can start the bidding at any price, the lowest value being 0.5 Stars Bid based on what you wish to pay for the 2017 base salary only (No signing bonuses, etc.) Teams are only allowed to sign 3 players at the same position for 0.5 stars in initial FA periods (doesn’t apply to FFA). For example, you can sign 3 WRs and 3 RBs at 0.5 stars in the RB/WR/TE period, but can’t go over 3. You can sign as many free agents as you want per position at more than 0.5 stars. With this, you are only allowed to have a max of three bids on players of the same position at 0.5 stars at a time. This guarantees you won't break the rules. If you happen to place a 4th, that bid will be ruled invalid and you may face punishment. Free agents that are signed can be released afterwards, but you only get back half the cost. (Round up for cuts if they were at a .5 for the star. This means a player signed for 2.5 stars could be cut for savings of 1.5 stars, half of it is 1.25 which rounds up to 1.5 stars.) The only exception is players that were signed for 0.5 stars, who can be cut for the full 0.5 stars. Draft Once it comes around, a thread will be posted for the draft. The first post will be updated with all picks, as well as the big board. Most importantly with the draft, there is a 12 hour time limit on each pick. If you miss your pick, then the next person is up. If you have failed to make your pick by the time you come up again, then you are skipped. If you miss a pick, but eventually post it, you will have your time cut in half after the second skip and so on. Eventually you may be replaced. If we believe you to be intentionally stalling, we reserve the right to skip your pick at our discretion. NO discussion in this thread. Post you pick by saying “With the ____ pick in the ___ round of the 2017 Forum Draft, the ____ select… [picture] (player) In order to speed up the process, please forward your draft board to some other people and let them post the pick for you. State of the Franchise Post This year, the State of the Franchise post has moved to Google Docs, found HERE. The Google Doc is designed to all of the math for you, making it easier to do cap checks. We will be using the total active contracts as your starting point. We will need your email address in order to grant access to the document, so please send it to us via PM. One of the more important notes is to please include and update the number of players on your roster, INCLUDING draft picks, at all times. This will ensure an accurate cap since you will receive a 0.5 star credit for every player over 51. Below is an example of the document: Make sure to update this after every transaction. Rule of 51 In the offseason, the NFL follows the Rule of 51 for the salary cap. This means that only the top 51 contracts are taken into account. This rule applies for the game and will automatically updated via the spreadsheet. Depth Chart Simple. Post your standard depth chart in the thread when it is created. *NOTE: ALL TEAMS MUST HAVE THEIR CORRECT SoF AND DEPTH CHART POSTED TO PARTICIPATE IN ANY PART OF THE GAME. Threads: We will have a general discussion thread. ALL discussion goes there. We will have a thread for all official trades. NO discussion. We will have a thread for all official cuts/re-signings. NO discussion. We will have the State of the Franchise thread, to be updated after every transaction. NO discussion. We will have a Depth Chart thread, to be updated after every transaction. NO discussion. We will have a Big Board thread for the draft order. NO discussion. We will have a Rules thread––as you may have figured out by now. NO discussion. When FA begins we will have threads. NO discussion. When the draft begins we will have a thread. NO discussion. In the state of the franchise thread, big board thread, cut thread, depth chart thread, trade thread, draft thread and rules thread there is to be NO discussion. Basically, there will only be discussion in the discussion thread. Breaking the Rules If the “CoCo” determines that you have broken any rules, then you will be punished appropriately. Punishments could vary from a warning, loss of cap space, loss of draft pick, etc. and even BANISHMENT FROM THE GAME. We don’t want to punish anyone, but we will if he have to.
  6. 4 points
    Where we getting all that money to re-sign/sign those new guys?
  7. 4 points
    Yeah, while amusing this is completely false. It is against Life/Safety codes to use a secured escalator as a staircase. If they break down they have to be barricaded until repaired. Escalators are an inherintly dangerous piece of equipment and a maintenance nightmare. They are also energy hogs. I can see why they have resisted their installation. I would guess installing them will raise liability insurance exponentially and also add a huge chunk of change to the operating budget.
  8. 4 points
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  10. 4 points
    And on the other side of that, is a pick a bust if unexpected injury derails or ruins their career? I've seen many posts about "Ozzie drafted a bust" all throughout 2015 because Perriman got hurt and in the past because of injuries that couldn't be predicted (see Kindle). Arthur Brown is an example of a bad draft pick. Kindle is more of an unfortunate one imo
  11. 4 points
    Not true. Ryan's offense had nothing to do with the pic six interception for a TD and the stripped fumble which led to the other TD. Did you miss the game? That game was not won by the Patriots or Tom Brady; it was lost by the Falcons. Here's why: The Falcons' coaching staff's playcalling was horrendous in the second half. They arrogantly assumed the game was over at half-time and they let their huge egos influence their decision-making. Clearly, their intent was too humiliate the Patriots by running up the score rather than to focus on winning the game. My youth football players were taught by me to never feel sorry for your opponent but also to never disrespect them. Dan Quinn and Kyle Shanahan share equally in what was the biggest collapse in SB history. There was no conspiracy. It was all about having your MVP QB and your highly touted offense destroy their opponent after they were already defeated. That's all! Its called Football 101 Like Bill Belichick says, there's no mystery. Just Do Your Job! Leading 28-3 with 8:30 to go in the 3rd quarter, they should have shortened the game by running the football. Time was the enemy of the Patriots at that point. Glad Kyle Shanahan and Matt Ryan aren't in BMore! I'll take Julio though. He's just a beast!
  12. 3 points
    dude, it's offseason so chill...Ryan Mink just posts something to entertain us...real stuffs will happen after the draft and preseason.....
  13. 3 points
    To be honest... I think Foreman goes in the 2nd if not higher. I've seen some mocks with him easily in the 2nd round. If anything I think Juju falls to the 3rd or 4th and Foreman goes higher. I really haven't been impressed with Juju's film and that is coming from someone who loved Keenan Allen's tape and Allen fell to the 3rd round. I don't mind the Peppers pick though in the first.
  14. 3 points
    THIS IS YOUR FAULT. You betrayed me you didn't keep your promise you tricked me and i don't care anymore
  15. 3 points
    That may have just been counting his picks in rounds 2,3, and 4
  16. 3 points
    Come on you need to post stars given and received. You know the rules
  17. 3 points
    Zach Orr working to fight opioid addiction is an awesome cause for a former NFL player. He is making an impact in his Baltimore community and the NFL community at large. People need to make a bigger deal about the drug addiction so many ex-NFL players face, and that doesn't even get into the US population at large. My hat is off to you Zach, you're really a great man.
  18. 3 points
    most likely and all the players drafted with the picks the fo hoards will be gone in 4 years. mediocrity must end.
  19. 3 points
    Do you think that everyone else is drafting probowlers every round of every draft? Every team has more misses than hits and that includes the early rounds. Thats how it works. There are easily 15-20 other teams that would kill to have Ozzie as their GM 😀
  20. 3 points
    Mike Williams isn't happening unless we trade up to get him. The same holds true for Lattimore.
  21. 3 points
    Dont worry man. if the defense starts to collapse i will go streaking to change momentum.
  22. 3 points
    Well, the major difference would be that the Ravens offense actually managed to get some first downs in the second half while running three times as many plays as the Falcons did against NE. They didn't score a bunch of points but it was enough and they at least gave the D some time off the field in the 4th quarter when it mattered most. What seemed to hurt the Ravens the most In the second half(besides the momentum robbing outage)was Ngata going down. It was like throwing a switch(whoops!) opening up the D.
  23. 3 points
    The track record doesn't seem as bad as some have suggested. You've listed 20 picks. By my count, at least 7 were great picks (35%), at least 4 others were good picks (20%) and the jury's still out on 2 picks (10%). IDK what the percentages should be but it seems to me that hitting on 50% or more is pretty good. It is also apparent from your list that our success with 2nd rounders has improved in the second half of our team history. That's a good thing! Obviously, it is important to differentiate between a good pick and how well the player performed once drafted. For example, Sergio Kindle might have been a dynamite pick but an unfortunate accident hurt his chances to have a successful career in the NFL.
  24. 3 points
    Ryan played at BC, so not the best weather in the world, and he led an absurd comeback against VT in pouring rain. He can play in elements
  25. 3 points
    2011 Divisional round against Houston. They manhandled our o-line. Joe didn't light the world up, but I don't recall any turnovers and he had a solid 2 TDs. The Patriots game after featured a ton of pressure also as Wilfork abused Grubbs, Birk, and Yanda all first half. Can't say if either were or weren't at 60% though. I just remember thinking "wow, Joe is getting massacred out there"
  26. 3 points
    Even a 13 year old playing Madden would be able to seal that game up with basic knowledge of clock management. At least he is consistent at that....
  27. 3 points
    Pretty sure this has been well documented several times and the Ravens have all but confirmed this is true. Steve was willing to do whatever it took to get a franchise QB, and it was DeCosta that convinced him that the drop off from Ryan to Joe wasn't worth the picks we had to give up to get him. If Steve had his way, Ryan would be a Raven.
  28. 3 points
    Considering the success The 49ers had with him and how creative he is with the run game then I have to disagree.I like that he's only 44 years old and he should help alot with The Ravens rushing attack.
  29. 2 points
    Boo! I disagree. You surely wouldn't be as benevolent if the same collapse had occurred with Joe Flacco at the helm. We kinda experienced some kind of collapse in the second half of the SB in 2013. This SB was eerily reminiscent to that one. Other than the lights going out, what caused our collapse in that SB? The only difference was Joey Ice brought his team back; Mattie Ice melted with the game on the line. Please RSVP!
  30. 2 points
    The real connection should be with senior bowlers and champions. The ravens have either targeted or drafted players with a championship often, like upshaw, Mosley, Jernigan, brooks, and then we wanted zeke, and then we've drafted the most senior bowlers in the league. Although I think the Bama connection holds some water more than some like to admit, not because of the number of guys we've taken but because of how high we've taken them, you can't convince me that if a guy from Bama and another player were a dead tie on ozzies board that he wouldn't lean one way because of his ties, I think that showed when he picked upshaw
  31. 2 points
    please stop calling the TE group strong and deep. it may be wide, but its extremely shallow and fragile
  32. 2 points
    Is it sad I looked that up and legitimately thought 1997 was 10 years ago? Getting old!
  33. 2 points
  34. 2 points
    Peppers is a great player, but besides that, scrap a lot of those picks lol JuJu would be a tough call because there would still be so much defensive talent available
  35. 2 points
    The random number generator program is my fourth cousin, twice removed
  36. 2 points
    He was the trade master for sure. Almost every guy on the bills was available last year. He got good value for them too!
  37. 2 points
    Imagine if the Browns were the last team available at 32 when @LosT_in_TranSlatioN picks. Out of frustration he should just go screw it, I'm picking Alabama.
  38. 2 points
    I'll trade all my picks for #1 overall
  39. 2 points
    I was about to post that he got cut. He led them in tackles 2 out of the last 3 years.... but not last season. And he was suspended the final 4 games of this past season. He's getting up there in age too. His play really fell off this past season - according to PFF he graded out as the 80th ILB out of 87 qualifying players. Not good. Maybe he could have a bounce back season in a better environment... he is only one year removed from a stretch of darn good play. But, i dont know if another mid-30's stop gap is the direction we need to go. We need to continue getting younger and faster, especially in the middle of the defense. With so many teams that have really athletic TEs and more focus on slot receivers and backs that are weapons coming out of the backfield, getting older and slower at LB isnt too enticing to me.
  40. 2 points
    I want Dalvin Cook as the # 1. but I would be extremely happy with: Mike Williams -WR-Clemson Quincy Wilson- CB- FLA Marshon Lattmore -CB- Ohio State Jabrill Peppers -S- Michigan (Peppers and Weddle together would be sick) I would be moderately happy with Ted Williams-OLB-Bamma (reminds me a lot of Upshaw) Takkarist McKinnley-OLB UCLA. (production isn't there overall) Solomon Thomas- DL- Stanford (not bc he is not great but bc we have bigger needs) Sidney Jones-CB - Washington (just because he seems frail) Taco Charlton-DE- MIch (bc we drafted Kafusi there last year) I would be disappointed with: Malik McDowell_DT-Mich St Leonard Fournetter RB- LSU (too injury prone for the AFC north) OJ Howard-TE- Bamma (if we take another TE im going to flip)
  41. 2 points
    I think the likelihood of us picking Cook is about the same as us trading the for Luck. Zero. Moreau was a guy I liked last year before his injury, haven't watched much of him this last year to see how he's recovered. Smithson is a guy I liked based on the work he does off field in the community, but after looking closer on the field he's nothing short of unimpressive, but there's worse ways to spend a 7th round pick
  42. 2 points
    Get ready to trade down about 3 times.
  43. 2 points
    Lol, regular season basketball is irrelevant now unless the Warriors lose. Then the rest of the league gets to gloat
  44. 2 points
    Side bar... Madden back in the day with Herring and Corey Harris on the back end was deadly.
  45. 2 points
    I think the more recent years have brought on the idea that we've been terrible in the second round. 2009 looked bad from the start, but Kruger came on in a contract year of course (to be fair, the Ravens caused that) 2010 was a bust year 2011 gave us really good value for 4 years 2012 was about as good as you can hope to do 2013 didn't work out 2014 has given us a sometimes very good, sometimes non-existant piece 2015 is still up in the air, but Maxx showed some good things 2016 is still only 1 year in Being that we probably can't judge 2015 and 2016 yet, it's not that terrible in recent years. We ended up with 2 really good players, 1 solid player, 1 that turned out to be good after the Ravens failed a few experiments, and 3 that didn't work out (1 of which you couldn't see coming - Kindle). I'll take that draft success. I think the larger issues are (1) that we've failed/declined to sign a lot of guys to these 2nd contracts and (2) that we haven't really nailed any superstars out of those picks. We're hitting at a good rate when it comes to overall contributions but it's been since 2009 that we found a true game changer.
  46. 2 points
    The crazy thing too was the Pats first drive in that 4th qtr where they got down inside the 5 or 10 -- they settled for the FG. BB took the points knowing they needed to come away with 3 at some point. Yet the OC that's up multiple scores was still trying to put longsword in when all he needed was the dagger. It was insanity to keep throwing there. Kill a minute or more of clock there and the Pats probably don't come back. Get the 3 and they probably don't come back. Kill clock AND get those 3 and it's game over. If you're not confident in running the ball there for whatever insane reason, just take a freaking knee. I cannot for the life of me understand Shanahan's thinking there. Especially when everything that could go wrong was going wrong... and everything was going right for the Pats -- you've got to let your offense come off the field and your D go on the field on a positive.
  47. 2 points
    Start checking spreads and you might start believing.
  48. 2 points
    It's so funny how some really don't see the irony.
  49. 2 points
    And I don't think he's been an issue with the Jets. He's outspoken and brutally honest at times... but from what I've gathered Sheldon Richardson is the cancer there and Marshall wasn't having it. When it got public Marshall acted more professionally taking more of the high road. No doubt he's a personality that can require massaging but this is a locker room that can handle it. Ed Reed, Pollard, Steve Smith, Ricky Williams, Bryant McKinnie, Will Hill, Shannon Sharpe, Goose, Suggs, etc... All guys with big personalities, outspoken or controversial at times (not all really "cancers") that fit in well and thrived here. Many even were or became ambassadors of sorts for the organization... and even some of their personalities boiled over with off the field or behind the scenes stuff (the mutiny, failed drug tests) none really became a public distraction or hurt the locker room. Plus Harbs has a friendly relationship with Marshall... and he seems better suited to be in a veteran locker room and a culture of winning. Im all for Marshall. I think he's exactly what we need on offense. Skill set wise, production wise, personality/attitude wise, and age/value as well. We need a big strong target for Joe that can move the chains, win when covered, win in the red zone, that oozes confidence and step in day 1 producing. Marshall, Perriman, and Wallace could be absolutely lethal if Perriman takes that next big step. If Camp can stay healthy I see him becoming a big part of the offense too. 3 yrs $21m... $10m guaranteed with a $5m signing bonus prorated over the first two years. Fully guaranteed $4m salary year 1... so that way you've only got $3.5m dead year 2 if you cut him and none year 3.
  50. 2 points
    Ah I got ya, I would much rather have Marshall than not though